Author Topic: 25-06??????? (Read 3459 times)

whitecloud · « **on:** February 01, 2004, 02:07:00 PM »

I am currenty saving up for a 25-06. Is it available in Tikka t3 lite,howa and wetherby vangard?? what are my choices in that price range($350-$450).Looking for something lite to run the mountains of WV, chasing whitetails.

bobcathunter · « **Reply #1 on:** February 01, 2004, 02:19:03 PM »

wal-mart has tikka t-3 lite in synth/blue for 409.00 and stainless/synth for 459.00. gun is very lite 6.5lbs I have 243 like very well

Sask_Hunter · « **Reply #2 on:** February 01, 2004, 05:53:26 PM »

like the one here. its light to carry and it shoots well too.

Zachary · « **Reply #3 on:** February 02, 2004, 05:24:58 AM »

The Weatherby Vanguard is really not a true Weatherby. In fact, it is really a Howa. As such, Weatherby buys the guns from Howa and simply puts their name on it. Accordingly, you can get the Howa for less money but still get the same quality.

I am a big fan of Tikkas. I own a few of them and woudn't trade them for the world. I can't speak much for the new T3, but apparently those who own them like them a lot.

You really can't go wrong with the Tikka or Howa, especially in that price range.

Zachary

yankees1 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 02, 2004, 11:41:22 AM »

Quote from: whitecloud

I am currenty saving up for a 25-06. Is it available in Tikka t3 lite,howa and wetherby vangard?? what are my choices in that price range($350-$450).Looking for something lite to run the mountains of WV, chasing whitetails.

Tikka! Enough said!

whitecloud · « **Reply #5 on:** February 03, 2004, 11:53:54 AM »

Quote from: Zachary

The Weatherby Vanguard is really not a true Weatherby. In fact, it is really a Howa. As such, Weatherby buys the guns from Howa and simply puts their name on it. Accordingly, you can get the Howa for less money but still get the same quality.

I am a big fan of Tikkas. I own a few of them and woudn't trade them for the world. I can't speak much for the new T3, but apparently those who own them like them a lot.

You really can't go wrong with the Tikka or Howa, especially in that price range.

Zachary

Thanks guys,I was aware of the vangaurds being made by Howa,however i was under the influence it is just the barrell,and the rest was weatherby.Is this correct?Also,how does ruger stack up in your opinions??I Have been shooting a m77,it shoots excellent,but man is it heavy.

dbuck · « **Reply #6 on:** February 03, 2004, 12:59:37 PM »

Zachary is right in one since, but not right in another, I have both a Howa 1500 and a Weatherby Vanguard and their is a difference.

1. You cannot get a Howa 1500 in a 24" barrel, but you can with a Vanguard, I just purchased a 30-06 with a 24" barrel and thats the reason I pick the Vanguard.
2. If you take both actions out of the stock you will see that their is a difference in the safety, its hard to explain, but if you saw both of them togeather you would know.
3. You can reduce the trigger pull down more in the Howa 1500 then you can with the Vanguard. I had to take my Vanguard to my gunsmith to do a trigger job down to 2.5 lbs, not the case with a Howa.

Tikka's are very good rifles, just ask Zachary he owns stock in the company, but don't sell these vanguard's or Howa 1500's short they will stay up with a Tikka all day in the shooting department. I own both and I know. My Howa 1500 270 will out shoot my Tikka 270 at 200 yds, but not by much, but it will do it day after day. 1 1/4" vs 1 1/2" at 200 yds.

My two cents.

dbuck

HHI #4694 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 04, 2004, 04:47:35 PM »

Vanguards and Howa's are made by Miroku Firearms in Japan. All of the rifles, from stem to stern is made by Miroku.

gunnut69 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 04, 2004, 09:08:16 PM »

As HHI said Howa's have been imported by several companies including Mossberg, S&W, and Weatherby. They get to specify what the rifle is to look like and Howa manufacutres them to those specs. Miroku made the Winchester 101 as well as some other models of winchesters and Brownings. They also made the Mk-V Weatherby for a time. The Howas are not to my knowledge made by them. Weatherby never made rifles, rather having them made. First in Germany by Sauer then in Japan by Miroku, now by an American firm(name forgotten). This last company is a restructured defense contractor and is said to produce some of the best MK-V's ever built. There are minor differences in some of the Howa built 1500 series rifles, usually in differing trigger mechanisms. All are basically the same and are quite good rifles.. They've never been accepted well but I've not seen large numbers in for repair.

HHI #4694 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 05, 2004, 06:59:32 AM »

Hi Gunnut,

I was fairly certain that Miroku was the parent company of Howa. I could be totally wrong; I will check it out.

The defense contractor making Weatherby Mark V's when they first came back to the USA, was SACO Defense Industries of Maine. Some people do indeed believe they were the best Mark V's ever made. I forget who is making them now? In any case, the ones I have seen are a big step above most other factory rifles in fit and finish, but of course you are paying extra for that quality.

However, Weatherby did indeed hand assemble their rifles from the 1940's until the late 1950's, or early 1960's, in their old South Gate California plant. They then sent production to Sauer in Germany.

cz4me · « **Reply #10 on:** February 07, 2004, 03:59:05 AM »

Speaking of something "light" to run around WV mountains, I think 25-06 is not only a bit "light" but past its prime -- despite having excellent ballistics. Around these parts (not to mention elsewhere), I think you'd be much better served by a .243, .270 or 7mm-08.

Bear Wallow · « **Reply #11 on:** February 07, 2004, 04:29:52 PM »

I've had many Sakos and one Tikka and loved them all. :wink:

wpayne · « **Reply #12 on:** February 07, 2004, 08:57:26 PM »

I'm saving for a 25-06 myself and so far I've only found it in Remington BDL, Ruger 77 and a Savage in the local gunshops. Around here the 25 will be the perfect whitetail rifle IMO, and I doubt WV is any different.

azshooter · « **Reply #13 on:** February 08, 2004, 03:22:33 AM »

Quote from: cz4me

Speaking of something "light" to run around WV mountains, I think 25-06 is not only a bit "light" but past its prime -- despite having excellent ballistics. Around these parts (not to mention elsewhere), I think you'd be much better served by a .243, .270 or 7mm-08.

You must be joking the 25-06 blows the .243 out of the water across the board and can shoot heavier bullets, and according to the Lyman 48th edition loading handbook, it is virtually identical to the 270 for same weight bullets. Compared to the 7mm-08, the only load they share being 120gr they have the same performance. Whats light about that?

Dave in WV · « **Reply #14 on:** February 08, 2004, 03:51:11 AM »

Savage is in your cost zone. They are a rifle you either love or love to bash. They're hard to bash about their accuracy.

My son has a M110 .243 and loves it. They may be short on looks but are long on performance for the $.

cz4me · « **Reply #15 on:** February 08, 2004, 04:07:24 AM »

Also consider the .378 Weatherby to maximize ammo cost and recoil, as well as other factors whitetails don't care about.

old06 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 08, 2004, 05:47:13 AM »

cz4me when you stated 2506 is past prime an included 270 the 270 is a bit older and has been through a factory ammo down load or two. Then the 243 comprason take some time to reread a ammo chart and enlighten me please. Ah....the last 7-08 not even close there either check the same chart........A quick look at Remington shows 2506, is 2990 for a 120 grainer and 7.2 low at 300 yd , 270 is 3060 for a 130 and 6.8 low at 300 yd, 243 is 2960 for a 100 grainer 7.5 low at 300 yd. the 7 08 is 2860 for a 140 grainer and 7.8 low at 300 yd. All the above use a 200yd zero......the 378 Weatherby...........AHhhhhhhhhhhhhh what's that about you lost me there I shot a few deer with a 338 Win Mag but not my first pick......I still dont see a valid leep over the 2506. and if you chronagraphed any of the above loads you would go away amazed and handload them there is a big differance. And I do have a 243, 270, 7 08, and a 2506 no 378 though just a 338 win mag.

hkg3k · « **Reply #17 on:** February 08, 2004, 07:19:42 AM »

If you're talking whitetails, yeah light-weight and out-dated certainly doesn't frame the 25-06 IMO,.........especially when you then go on to compare it to the .243, .270 & 7-08. For myself, I really like a quarterbore for deer. IMO, case capacity, and bullet weights pretty much have it all over the 6mms for deer sized game. I'm going to have a .25-06AI built this year, and I believe it will supplant my .270 as my favorite deer rifle.

grouper sandwich · « **Reply #18 on:** February 09, 2004, 10:50:44 AM »

WC, I own and shoot a Ruger M77 MKII in 25-06. They only thing that I would cahnge on it is the trigger, it's a little "creepy". Howevr, it shoots lightsout, doesn't kick, I think that it's got awsome looks, has plenty of power and the ammo is cheap and easy to find. And if you ever decide to reload, there are an endless array of bullets and loads to choose from. But the 25-06 is an awsome deer round. As for the actual rifle? Handle them and get the one that best meets your combination of cost efficency, feel and looks. For me it was the Ruger M77. Good luck and enjoy!

Thanks guys,I was aware of the vangaurds being made by Howa,however i was under the influence it is just the barrell,and the rest was weatherby.Is this correct?Also,how does ruger stack up in your opinions??I Have been shooting a m77,it shoots excellent,but man is it heavy.[/quote]

RaySendero · « **Reply #19 on:** February 10, 2004, 01:43:15 PM »

Quote from: cz4me

Speaking of something "light" to run around WV mountains, I think 25-06 is not only a bit "light" but past its prime -- despite having excellent ballistics. Around these parts (not to mention elsewhere), I think you'd be much better served by a .243, .270 or 7mm-08.

Compare the 25/06 Remington and the .270 Winchester:

1) Deer or anelope will not know the difference out to 300 yards or so, however both are capable of shooting accurately well beyond 300 yards.

2) The 270 w/ a 130 bullet will shoot flatter than a 117 bullet in a 25/06.

3) The 270 w/ a 150 bullet will deliver much more energy to a 400 or 500 yard shot than a 117 bullet in a 25/06.

4) The 270 w/ a 160 Nosler is a real Hoss but can also shoot a 90 or 100 grain varmint load! - Versatility

But neither can compare to the .378 Weatherby - Everyone needs more ammo cost and recoil :mrgreen:

azshooter · « **Reply #20 on:** February 10, 2004, 04:20:46 PM »

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Compare the 25/06 Remington and the .270 Winchester:

1) Deer or anelope will not know the difference out to 300 yards or so, however both are capable of shooting accurately well beyond 300 yards.

2) The 270 w/ a 130 bullet will shoot flatter than a 117 bullet in a 25/06.

3) The 270 w/ a 150 bullet will deliver much more energy to a 400 or 500 yard shot than a 117 bullet in a 25/06.

4) The 270 w/ a 160 Nosler is a real Hoss but can also shoot a 90 or 100 grain varmint load! - Versatility

But neither can compare to the .378 Weatherby - Everyone needs more ammo cost and recoil :mrgreen:

#1 - true
#2 - depends on the bullets, plug the numbers into a ballistic calculator and they are within an inch of eachother out to 100 yards for the asme bullet type - e.g Sierra Gameking
#3 - probably true - also depends on the bullet
#4 -A 25-06 can function as an even better varmit gun 75gr HP 3700 FPS. Thats 300 faster than the lightest fastest .270

RaySendero · « **Reply #21 on:** February 11, 2004, 03:22:04 AM »

Quote from: RaySendero

Compare the 25/06 Remington and the .270 Winchester:

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4) The 270 w/ a 160 Nosler is a real Hoss but can also shoot a 90 or 100 grain varmint load! - Versatility

Quote from: azshooter

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#4 -A 25-06 can function as an even better varmit gun 75gr HP 3700 FPS. Thats 300 faster than the lightest fastest .270

azs, You missed my point on 4). It was that the .270 was/is more versatile that the 25/06.

But we all may be straying from the point and debating the wrong caliber:

A CZ 527 carbine in 7.62x39 may be the better light carry rifle for mountains of WV?!

azshooter · « **Reply #22 on:** February 11, 2004, 03:34:40 AM »

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azs, You missed my point on 4). It was that the .270 was/is more versatile that the 25/06.

But we all may be straying from the point and debating the wrong caliber:

A CZ 527 carbine in 7.62x39 may be the better light carry rifle for mountains of WV?!

No I got your point that the .270 may be more versitile on the heavy bullet side but is less versitile on the light bullet side which was my point. The 25 can push lighter bullets faster than the .270 which can be a plus.

I also need to correct - I mistyped on #2 - they trajectory is within an inch out to 500 yards for the same bullet type. I think your info came from Chuck Hawks who tends to state things as fact when they are ont really hard and fast rules but depend on the circumstances.

RaySendero · « **Reply #23 on:** February 11, 2004, 05:05:05 AM »

Quote from: azshooter

I also need to correct - I mistyped on #2 - they trajectory is within an inch out to 500 yards for the same bullet type. I think your info came from Chuck Hawks who tends to state things as fact when they are ont really hard and fast rules but depend on the circumstances.

Nope - I don't know Chuck Hawks.
Info came from PMC's website rifle ballistics table.

azshooter · « **Reply #24 on:** February 11, 2004, 05:58:51 AM »

Quote from: RaySendero

Quote from: azshooter

I also need to correct - I mistyped on #2 - they trajectory is within an inch out to 500 yards for the same bullet type. I think your info came from Chuck Hawks who tends to state things as fact when they are ont really hard and fast rules but depend on the circumstances.

Nope - I don't know Chuck Hawks.
Info came from PMC's website rifle ballistics table.

So like I said it all depends on the load - go to Remingtons web site and compare ballistics and you will see 115 gr 25-06 loads that match 130 gr .270 loads for energy and beat the .270 in velocity out to 500 yards. For a handloader, there are lots of additional options. My point is the two cartridges are so close that to pick one that is better is more a matter of preference.

old06 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 11, 2004, 03:01:21 PM »

The 2506 vs 270 comparson is like 270 vs 3006 there is a lot of things on each side that are so close that it depends alot on the gun, round, and applaction and with a chrongraph its nip and tuck. There is no great leaps I find that each has its own special job for me. That what I tell the wife anyway :wink:

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #26 on:** February 12, 2004, 09:59:48 AM »

Quote from: cz4me

Speaking of something "light" to run around WV mountains, I think 25-06 is not only a bit "light" but past its prime -- despite having excellent ballistics. Around these parts (not to mention elsewhere), I think you'd be much better served by a .243, .270 or 7mm-08.

Huh? The .25-06 is "a bit light" so whitecloud would be "much better served" by a .243???

Huh???

Nothing wrong with a .270 or a 7mm-08, but I fail to see how they are going to be any more effective against a whitetail than a .25-06. And anything the .243 can do, the .25-06 can do better.

RaySendero · « **Reply #27 on:** February 13, 2004, 04:51:20 PM »

Quote from: RaySendero

... we all may be straying from the point and debating the wrong calibers:

A CZ 527 carbine in 7.62x39 may be the better light carry rifle for mountains of WV?!

btt...

PAShooter · « **Reply #28 on:** February 14, 2004, 11:09:02 AM »

I have a Smith & Wesson (Howa) 1500 in .25_06 I bought with my earnings from working in the hayfields of the summer of 1982. I couldn't even guess how many deer have been taken with it between my father, my brother, brother in law, several nephews, and a cousin. Never heard of a deer going more than a few yards after a 120 grain Seirra BTHP was put into the boiler room, running or standind shoots. It is a very accurate rifle, the furthest shot I've taken was just past 300 yards and the deer dropped like a rock.

Big Paulie · « **Reply #29 on:** February 25, 2004, 07:27:41 AM »

No question about the effectiveness of the 25-06. But you've got to admit, it is VERY LOUD for what you get. This alone steers me away from it. I always wear hearing protection, but I tend to get concussion headaches pretty quickly when shooting from a bench. People seem to either love or hat eh 25-06.