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Offline NOFX

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My veiws on the .458 Win mag.
« on: January 25, 2004, 12:02:34 PM »
Hey guys, this is my first post here and this place looks pretty good.

I am writing regarding some of the stuff posted about the .458 Win Mag. I thought that I would just share some of the experiences I’ve had with it.
M y .458 is a CZ 550 magnum with a 25” barrel and I am getting the following velocities:

550 grain Woodleigh = 2110 fps
500 grain Woodleigh = 2200 fps
350 grain Woodleigh = 2600 fps
300 grain Barnes X = 2800 fps

These loads have a slight velocity edge than a lot of .458 loads because of 2 reasons, the first being that my barrel is longer and that burns more powder and the second is because I use Woodleigh projectiles which have the crimping groove lower on the bullet so don’t use up too much space.

All these loads have proven safe in my rifle and I have experienced no sticky extraction of cases even down here in the hot Australian sun. As a matter of fact Bob Penfold the Buffalo outfitter up in the very hot NT of Australia uses the .458 exclusively with every satisfaction.

I think that people that have had difficulty loading with the .458 just need to experiment more with projectiles and powders as it is not really that hard to reach 2150 fps these days.

I think in the real world on game the difference between the Lott and the Winchester is less than people think. A well placed shot from either will kill anything on the planet and a poorly placed shot will result in a wounded and possibly lost animal. I also don’t buy it when people tell me that the Lott has more margin for error for dangerous game. In my opinion there is NO margin for error on dangerous game regardless of what calibre you use.
Please don’t think that I am knocking the Lott, as I’m not. It is a fine round and it does have an edge in velocity over the Winchester round – no doubt about it. But that edge is only 100-150 fps over my loads which I don’t think is substantial.  
I am a great fan of the .458 and it is my favourite rifle/cartridge combo easily. If I were limited to one gun that would be it. Oh! And BTW apart from the thumping kick it gives it is easily the most accurate rifle I own.

Russ.
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2004, 04:55:55 PM »
Welcome to GBO :D
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2004, 09:29:03 AM »
Russ,

I see you found us.  Welcome to Graybeard Outdoors mate.  I think you will like it here.

I like your comments on the .458 WM.  Many say it's not a Dangerous Game cartridge and has problems but I don't agree with that.  The .458 WM has been doing the job ever Winchester released it in the late 1950's.  Way too many hunter have used it without problems so why should I argue with success.  Again I'm glad you stopped by and hope you post more often.  Lawdog
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2004, 08:45:12 PM »
Thanks for the welcomes guys.

Lawdog it is good to catch up with you again and I will post here often. This looks to be a pretty cool site :grin: l

Russ.
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2004, 08:49:50 PM »
Oh! and BTW I appreciate the way you always back me up regarding the .458.
A lot of (un-informed) people really hate the poor old .458 :cry:  Tis a pity coz it really is a super round...
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2004, 08:31:04 AM »
NOFX,

How long have you had your CZ and how do you like it?  What, if anything would you change about it?

This curious mind would like to know.
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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2004, 02:13:44 PM »
Ms Hitman

I have had my CZ for about 2 years now and it is a really fine rifle.
I really can't fault it and I wouldn't change anything about it.
If you are thinking of buying one I heartly recommend that you do, you won't regret it.

BTW one thing it is a heavy-ish rifle as one might expect so I would get one in either .458 or .416 rather than any of the smaller calibers.

Russ.
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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2004, 02:42:12 PM »
Russ,

Thanks for the reply.  Been thinking about one in either .458 Win Mag or the Lott.  Have a Ruger #1 in .458 and it is a light rifle, kicks briskly.

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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2004, 11:56:58 AM »
Ms Hitman,

My .458 is a heavy one and it still kicks briskly. If I am not careful I cop a Weatherby eyebrow every time!
I do need a new scope but that Tasco just don't got the eye releif. I think a Leupold is the go.

Russ.
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2004, 12:37:48 PM »
Russ,

Before you go to the expense of a Leupold or, heaven forbid a muzzle brake, I have a suggestion.  Try a mercury recoil reducer like I did in my big bores.  They really work and will reduce the felt recoil by quite a bit.  Plus you can do the work yourself.  Also, I installed a Burris 1.75x-5x 32mm Safari scope on my .416 Rigby Ruger M77 Magnum and on all of my other big bores.  It's longer eye relief works great giving me plenty of clearance.  Save you some money.  Lawdog
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« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2004, 10:43:22 PM »
Hey Lawdog,

I did get one of those mercury things put in the butt but it didn't make any differance!  :o

I will never put a brake on it though!

Russ.
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2004, 02:48:23 PM »
Russ,

What brand of mercury recoil reducer did you get?  All My C&H Research models work just as they are supposed to.  Was it installed correctly?  Nice tight fit and at the right angle?  Lawdog
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2004, 09:31:45 PM »
NOFX

I built a .458 on a p-17 Win. action a few years and I put a Simmons 2.5 on it just to practice. It held up OK but was hard to see out of. I put a
Leupold VX-1, 1-4 x20 on it. Great scope. I sold the gun to my brother
but kept the scope. It is on my 35 Whelen now. I'm thinking of building
another 458 on a Mauser action. If I do that Leupold  might go on it.
I had a Tasco on my Whelen but had eye relief problems when shooting
250 gr. loads in a 6 1/2 lb. rifle. I like Tasco scopes, I own several, but a
big bore needs a Leupold.
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2004, 06:23:08 PM »
LAWDOG
I put the C&H mercury coil in the two i was talking about and it made one heck of a difference, made them a little heavier in the butt, but it did tone the kicks down a bit, Thank you for the heads up on the C&H coil.
Take care,   Joe
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« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2004, 10:40:26 AM »
oso45-70,

Your welcome.  They work for me too.  Best in the heavy barreled Rugers as they tend to balance them out.  Small groups and tight lines to you.  Lawdog
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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2004, 01:34:26 AM »
Nofx,

Congrats with your .458 cz, cz's are great, I have a cz .458 lott (it was a .458 win) I have only mucked about with two projectiles the 400 gr speer and now the 500 gr woodleigh soft which I am zeroed for. CZ's are my favourite brand of rifle for sure.

I would one day like to have a .450 Rigby made on a cz .458, for that I would choose the 550 gr woodleigh.
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2004, 09:35:28 AM »
pc,

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I would one day like to have a .450 Rigby made on a cz .458,


May I make a recommendation,  go with the .416 Rigby when you do your .450 Rigby.  That is what I did.  I started with a Ruger M77 Magnum action in .416 Rigby and had it re-barreled and restocked.  Quickest and simplest way I know to building a .450 Rigby.  Small groups and tight lines to you.  Lawdog
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