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Dream Rifle
« on: February 22, 2012, 01:31:34 PM »
I'd like to see Remington produce a .45-70 rifle based on the 20 gauge 870 receiver with Ballard rifling, an 18" barrel, a corn cob foreend, and an English style buttstock. It seems easy enough, what do you think? A scope rail that would allow forward or normal scope mounting would be cool too.
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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2012, 01:43:47 PM »
I'd buy one.  If the price were in a working man's means.
 
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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2012, 02:54:49 PM »
I would like one in 223.

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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2012, 03:09:10 PM »
They make the 7600 in .223.  Pretty much the same thing but I'd rather have the tubular magazine like the Wingmaster for the .45-70.
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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2012, 03:17:24 PM »
 I thought 243 was the smallest 7600. I want it to to have a forearm like a Winchester 62.
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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2012, 03:24:58 PM »
"Brother, you say there is but one way to worship and serve the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it? Why not all agreed, as you can all read the Book?" Sogoyewapha, "Red Jacket" - Senaca

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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2012, 03:31:56 PM »
  It all sounds great...except for the brand..REMINGTON..
 
      ...NAH...Just teasing you Swampy..  it's an OK idea.. ;)   :D
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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2012, 06:25:16 PM »
I believe it would have to be based on the rifle format not the shotgun. Shotguns are just not made to withstand the pressures even trapdoor loads generate. With so many companies producting 45-70 ammo that triples that pressure level as well as loading manuals listing them ain't no way a big company like Remington is gonna open themselves to that lawsuit waiting to happen.

They could easily do it on the 760 action but why? There is no market base for such to be profitable. Were it not for PA's odd law against use of semiautos for hunting I seriously doubt the pump rifle would still be made.


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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2012, 06:35:41 PM »
7615P Was discontinued a while ago. Might be able to find one used.

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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2012, 11:44:44 PM »
The .45-70 has such a huge following that I believe it would sell.  Pump action rifles are very popular in the big north woods.  With Marlin down the toliet, now is the time.
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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2012, 03:45:09 AM »
I agree with Swampman. Up here in the northeast plenty of hunters prefer pump guns. I'd seriously think about getting one. It would be just like a guide gun, but faster. Sounds like a good idea to me.

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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2012, 05:20:33 AM »
Yup pump guns have a strong following here!!!  They are my favorite "repeater"next to the lever!

I have a couple inlet 14's, a 141, a couple more 760's with the cheese greater forends and one 308 7600, I Love them!!! Almost bought a 35 Whelen but would like a carbine. If I find one I'll have that too! :)

It isnt likely The 45/70 pump would happen, but it's nice to dream...  I also admit, I would probably buy one if they did too!!! ;)

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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2012, 09:55:28 AM »
I'd like to see Remington produce a .45-70 rifle based on the 20 gauge 870 receiver with Ballard rifling, an 18" barrel, a corn cob foreend, and an English style buttstock. It seems easy enough, what do you think? A scope rail that would allow forward or normal scope mounting would be cool too.

You can dream!  Not my cup of tea but that's why they make more than one rifle style.  All dream rifles start somewhere.  Know a good gunsmith?  Maybe he could build it. 
 
I'd not be to concerend about buffalo bore or other redlined cartridges.  They are made in 45 long Colt and similar and companies still build revolvers that are not strong enough for them.
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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2012, 10:15:56 AM »
Pick something with out a rim. Why make it hard ?
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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2012, 11:19:15 AM »
Pick something with out a rim. Why make it hard ?

Cause thats how a 45/70 is built!  ;)  LOL
 
Sure you could do it with a 450 mag..... It just wouldn't be the same. ;)
 
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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2012, 11:19:44 AM »
My dream rifle would be a Henery Yellowboy chambered in 444 marlin with rifle barrel length not carbine length

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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2012, 12:22:03 PM »
Pick something with out a rim. Why make it hard ?
Not really interested in a rimless cartridge for this application.  They are fine for boltguns and semi-autos.
 
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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2012, 03:28:09 AM »
That rifle would be a terrific gun. I was thinking along similar lines with a model 12 winchester as the base model. Also would like it in .44 mag.

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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2012, 02:39:39 PM »
Did the biggest Colt Lightning rifle chamber 45-70? I know the Italians are reproducing the medium frame one, maybe the large one will come some day?
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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2012, 04:24:58 AM »
   Anyone have any experience with those timber wolf rifles when they were available ?
 
       http://guns4u.info/?p=1257
 
 Savage once had a 30/30 pump, how did that work out ?
 
 
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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2012, 05:28:16 AM »
I'd buy one for sure!  I think they would do real well in the north woods where a long range shooter isn't necessary, but a quick follow up shot is important.
 
I'm looking for a 7600 in 7mm-08 right now. Let one slip away on Gun Broker for $450 that I'm kicking myself over...
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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2012, 11:52:02 AM »
I'd honestly like to see some 500smith rifles more abundant, atleast ones that don't cost a arm and a leg. I know they make a lever and another company is making a pump 500smith, but both cost over 2k.  I think swampman is wanting something like this here is the link to the 500 pump.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKc_35xlSSk
 

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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2012, 03:43:23 AM »
     
 Savage once had a 30/30 pump, how did that work out ?
 
It was the model 170 and the one I had shot some amazing groups. Wish I had never traded it off.
 

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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2012, 03:48:05 AM »
how about a 7400 simi-auto in  45-70 ?????


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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2012, 09:02:54 AM »
Well 3 feathers my brother inlaw has one of those savage pumps in 35 rem. If you just need to get the shells out of it it will not function at all other then getting the shell out of the chamber. On the other hand if you fire the shells to empty it the gun works fine. It's been to a few gunsmiths that can't fix it. He holds onto it cause his grandfather gave it to him.

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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2012, 11:37:31 PM »
I guess i have to be the one man out in this. I just dont see any advantage to it over a marlin guide gun and the guide guns sure are prettier!
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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2012, 03:47:32 AM »
  About 2 years ago I had a idea to build a 410 pump action with a fully rifled barrel for deer hunting here in Ohio, We cannot use any cartridge rifles here but a 410 is legal.
I own a Remington 870 Express in 410 and a Mossberg 500 in 410,  after looking at there bolt lockup into the barrel lug I decided that the Mossberg would be the eaiser of the 2 to rebarrel.
 I started with a 44 cal. barrel blank and turned it to fit the receiver very closely and milled off the tang extension and hand filed the hole that the bolts 1 locking lug fits into. I chambered it with a straight reamer that was big enough to allow a 410 casing with a .430 bullet inserted to chamber about .484 dia.
 The attachment lug that has a screw thru it into the magazine tube I built and was silver soldered onto the barrel. The gun is now scoped and will put 3 Hornady 240 gr. XTP's in a 1 1/4" group at 100 yards, sometime even smaller.
  I am shooting these out of new 2 1/2" 410 casings with jacketed 44 cal. bullets in the area of 1200 FPS.  I tried different cast bullets and they shot OK but were less accurate, I also can safefully get at least another 300 FPS out of this combo but when I found this sweet shooting load I said Ill leave it at that because it will certainly kill any deer in 100 yards and has very low recoil .
 Now the Rem. 870 is a better gun, but as Graybeard said the design of the bolts lockup is not strong enough for a 45-70 that has a warmer than trapdoor load in it.  It could be built on a similar gun to the 870 but like others have said it would not have a large enough appeal to make it profitable.
  The gun that I built could very easily be made to shoot 444 Marlin  but I like the idea of staying with the plastic cased 410's as they will let you know how much pressure they will tollerate and that keeps you from hot rodding it, a 444 on this shotgun action would get you into trouble.
 
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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2012, 07:12:50 AM »
     I'd like to see one of the major lever companies produce a 357 max with the proper twist for heavy bullets, and keep it afordable. I've looked at the puma but have never shot one perhaps they will come out with one. They have a 454 chambering so they they should be able to handle the preasures. j
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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2012, 06:45:01 PM »
That was a nice piece of work on that .410.     I remember shooting a .410 slug out of a full choke barrel, and it actually dented a piece of 1/2" boiler plate 25 yards away, which our .44 mag revolvers wouldn't do.  I was impressed.  Yes, I know I'm lucky to be alive.
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Re: Dream Rifle
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2012, 02:10:32 AM »
45/70 pump sounds good but as GB said not on a shotgun receiver.