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Offline Doublebass73

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Re: H&R a New Slimmer Company...
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2012, 01:33:51 PM »
Doublebass73...I had to laugh as I read your post.  I too only have revolvers for self defense and 8 differents handis and pardners,  but I did buy a left handed Stag AR and the do shoot VERY well with 60 grain vmaxs.

Nice! Stag Arms is the lefty AR that I want, I'm glad to hear you found a load that shoots well. I have one T/C carbine and all the other single shots are H&R/NEF.
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Re: H&R a New Slimmer Company...
« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2012, 02:57:10 AM »
Thanks for that artical, Tim.  Interesting numbers to see, shows even in tight times, gun sales will do better than many other hard goods.  Since taking over Marlin and H&R, the powers that be have continued to make unwise business choices in an effort to add to the bottom line.  It's sad, but hopefully they can get production issues corrected and start producing a good product again.  Pushing under trained employees to meet production quotas is a great way to ruin a product, a fact proven with both of these two product lines.  Pictures were posted on Marlin Owners site showing barrels installed on Marlins with dovetails cut in the wrong place for the model being produced, sights canted by dovetails cut out of line with the bore, or not drilled and tapped in the 12 o clock position, ect.  If they can get issues fixed on production lines for both brand names, we may see both companies bring back models they have dropped from production.  Marlin has dropped some of it's models as well and many owners are as concerned about it as H&R owners are.  Owning 28 H&R's, 18 Marlin levers and 3 Marlin bolts, I am as concerned as anyone.  DP
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Re: H&R a New Slimmer Company...
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2012, 09:44:22 AM »
I am new to this forum. I just bought a brand new H&R Handi in 7mm-08 for my 2 sons to deer hunt and coyote hunt with this year. It is a youth model with Mossy Oak Breakup Infinity Camo, 20" barrell, and I put a weaver scope on it. What made me decide to purchase a Handi is it is a single shot and my sons are new to rifles,plus one is right handed and one is left handed. A lot cheaper than buying a bolt action gun for each of them. They have a semi auto 22 and 2 22 pellet rifles. We went to the gun range last weekend and put 40 rounds through it getting the scope sighted in and then just shooting. I think this rifle shoots extremely well. My son shot a 3 shot grouping at 100 yards in a 3/4" grouping more than once. That is just off a bench with it propped up on a backpack. Darn good if you ask me. He is 11 by the way. I seriously hope that big green doesn't run H&R into the ground. This is my first dealing with a Handi and I will definitely buy another. The groupings were with factory ammo also. I am going to start handloading very soon. Bought the 7mm-08 dies this week. I even love this gun. i like how short it is without the extra added length for the action and in the youth it is even shorter. I may have to sneek it out every now and then for hunting. Just don't tell my boys!! :)

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Re: H&R a New Slimmer Company...
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2012, 02:28:29 PM »
In talking to a NH gun shop owner, I learned that he has a hard time getting H&R firearms.  I had asked him about a full size 410 Pardner, and rifles in general, as he had none.  He told me that he had checked with three distributors and couldn't get them.  Seems like there is demand for a good, reasonbly priced, domestic, single action firearm.  If the market is there, what's the problem?
 
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« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2012, 03:24:36 PM »
Well the Toppers never were common.  I've only ever seen one of them and I bought it.  The 204 never made any sense to me.  If you want a Pardner go to a Pawn Shop or Walmart.  If I owned a company I wouldn't produce products that weren't profitable either.  Remington makes and always had made the finest, most accurate, and best selling production firearms in the world.
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« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2012, 03:42:27 PM »
Interesting that they dropped the Pardner line.  Couldn't find another single shot shotgun around decent price.  Guess folks are sold on the multis.

Does that mean the rifled slug guns are still being made?

Saw plenty of single shot rifles in competition though.

Wondering if I should start getting a few pardners to stash..?
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Re: H&R a New Slimmer Company...
« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2012, 04:03:17 PM »
They didn't drop the Pardner line.
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Re: H&R a New Slimmer Company...
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2012, 04:07:47 PM »
This is not a political statement, but I think fear during the last election drove a lot of this. There is always a lot of hyperbole and fear mongering, and with the wars taking so much brass and small arms components, the panic ensued. 22LR went from 12.95$ a brick to $25, and ran out of stock at that. 380 ammo became non-existant. Everyone was worried that some "Armageddon" was upon us, just like the current passage of CCW laws, while they are a good thing and have effected crime significantly, have focused most of the market demand and production on the self defense industry. I have stood in the LGS' and listened  to all matter of people talk calmly about this or that specification they wanted in a firearm for some kind of defense, when the closest thing to a firefight they ever had was when the toaster failed to pop up, and if they had to field dress a gut shot deer their socks would have come up. I will buy what I can, while I can, and hope like I said before, that maybe Rem will unload the patent rights to some competent machine tool and die company, IF THEY FOLD. Meanwhile, I will pray fervently they do not.
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Re: H&R a New Slimmer Company...
« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2012, 04:11:27 PM »
In talking to a NH gun shop owner, I learned that he has a hard time getting H&R firearms.  I had asked him about a full size 410 Pardner, and rifles in general, as he had none.  He told me that he had checked with three distributors and couldn't get them.  Seems like there is demand for a good, reasonbly priced, domestic, single action firearm.  If the market is there, what's the problem?
 
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Re: H&R a New Slimmer Company...
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2012, 04:13:07 PM »
Interesting that they dropped the Pardner line.  Couldn't find another single shot shotgun around decent price.  Guess folks are sold on the multis.

Does that mean the rifled slug guns are still being made?

Saw plenty of single shot rifles in competition though.

Wondering if I should start getting a few pardners to stash..?

The Topper product line was dropped, not the Pardners, they're still in the 2012 catalog.... on page 26.

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Re: H&R a New Slimmer Company...
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2012, 04:59:54 PM »
My mistake.  Thought they dropped all singles.  Well, I guess they aren't totally stupid.
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Re: H&R a New Slimmer Company...
« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2012, 05:18:36 PM »
In talking to a NH gun shop owner, I learned that he has a hard time getting H&R firearms.  I had asked him about a full size 410 Pardner, and rifles in general, as he had none.  He told me that he had checked with three distributors and couldn't get them.  Seems like there is demand for a good, reasonbly priced, domestic, single action firearm.  If the market is there, what's the problem?
 
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Matt,

I'm not sure what part of NH you're from but I have no trouble finding H&R's here in the Lakes Region/White Mountains area. The Walmart in North Conway will order anything in the catalog for you. I frequent a lot of gun shops in the area and they always have some H&R's in stock.
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