Author Topic: Ghost-ring type sight that attaches to Winchester rear leaf (Read 1147 times)

Yanqui · « **on:** January 20, 2004, 06:30:59 AM »

Numrich has a ghost ring type set up that attaches directly to the factory rear sight leaf with no modifications. It fits Winchester models 92, 94, 94AE, 9422 and 9410.

Aperture Rear Sight, One Hole - 9/64" Aperture. Black Phosphate Finish. Instructions & 2 Attaching Screws Included. Attaches W/ No Modifications. Item# YZ880560 $30.95

Here is the web page with picture.
http://www.e-gunparts.com/featurepr...0&Super=Y&MC=YJ

I do not have one yet but I intend to acquire one or more(if I like it).

Now an idea that I have been playing with is along the same lines. Why not make semi-buckhorn and full buckhorn sights that attach the same way? That way you do not have to replace the whole rear sight assembly just the rear aperture.

Mikey · « **Reply #1 on:** January 20, 2004, 10:28:07 AM »

Yanqui: a ghost ring rear sight, in order to be effective, has to sit pretty close to the eye so that the eye does not have to force itself to look through it as it does when it forces itself to line up the front sight blade with the rear aperature.

Consider the military peep sight and where it sits on the rifle - at the rear of the action. That's where a ghost ring needs to sit so that you can immediately see through it as you shoulder the rifle, and pick up the front sight. It's pretty natural and the military has used this successfully for many years.

A ghost ring sight that replaces the rear sight blade on those Winchesters is going to be too far forward to be of any real utility, from my perspective, but for those models in particular there are a number of better applications for a rear mounted ghost ring that are excellent. HTH. Mikey.

Yanqui · « **Reply #2 on:** January 20, 2004, 11:59:32 AM »

Not so. The scout rifle concept has a scope mounted in front of the receiver. The same concept works on a ghost ring sight. You do not need to have the ghost-ring up against your eye to be effective. You can have 9-17 inches of eye relief. A lot of what the military preaches cannot be considered doctrine.

You just have train yourself on a new system. I had to learn to keep my both eyes open while learning to shoot the M16. I had to train myself to use my Lever Scout.

You will be surprised at what the brain can do for you. You just have to let it and not be confined to ol' shooter myths or urban legends.

Contact Jim Crews http://www.marksmans.com/ on how this works. He had ghost ring sights set up on a double barrel shotgun (coach gun). The sights were mounted between the barrels. How much eye relief is that? Not near the eye.

John Y Cannuck · « **Reply #3 on:** January 21, 2004, 06:35:01 AM »

I'm with Mikey on this one.
Field of view is going to be cut drastically when the peep is way out there too.
The theory that the eye automatically centers the bead in the peep may not hold as much water when the peep is that far from the eye either.

I think I'd have to try it to be convinced. I just can't see it working for me.

Prince of Wales · « **Reply #4 on:** January 21, 2004, 08:32:19 AM »

What the Cannuck said! Best of luck. POW

Yanqui · « **Reply #5 on:** January 21, 2004, 08:35:38 AM »

It may not work for you. That doesn't mean it doesn't work.

Yanqui · « **Reply #6 on:** January 21, 2004, 09:19:06 AM »

I'm not sure but I think that these are one in the same. One Ragged Hole makes the same type of sight. They make a same type of sight for Ruger/BFR handguns. Oh, oh, I think I can hear more poop-pooping of an idea coming.

http://www.oneraggedhole.com/

John Y Cannuck · « **Reply #7 on:** January 21, 2004, 04:42:15 PM »

I'm sure these sights will work just fine for some.
The design is basically the oldfashioned full buckhorn sight, except closed at the top.

They give up a couple of things that make aperature sights fast and accurate.
They have a shorter sight radius than traditional aperature sights, and limited field of view.

They are I would hope a whole bunch cheaper to buy however.

I'm sure some "expert" will come forth to prove this all wrong.
But as a target shooter and hunter I'd spent the extra $ on the real thing myself.

This is what we're talking about

Yanqui · « **Reply #8 on:** January 22, 2004, 05:44:36 AM »

What really surprises me is that all I did was post an item of interest I came across and decided to share with others. I never mentioned anything about how it would work. The first reply was on how it would not work.

That seems very strange to me. One Ragged Hole http://www.oneraggedhole.com/The_RUGER_One.htm makes an aperture of the same type for Ruger/BFR handguns. Aro-Tek http://www.arotek.com/ makes ghost ring sight set for Glocks and now 1911's. AmeriGlo http://www.ameriglo.net/pages/weaponsights.html makes them for handguns.

Does this mean that in order to shoot a handgun effectively, using ghost ring sights, I would have to hold the handgun close up to my face so I can have the ghost ring sight pretty close to my eye so that the eye does not have to force itself to look through it as it does when it forces itself to line up the front sight blade with the rear aperatue?

So I guess before anyone posts an item of interest here they need to go through the proper channels for approval. Maybe that can be added to the FAQ.

John Y Cannuck · « **Reply #9 on:** January 22, 2004, 02:23:47 PM »

Of course you can use them on handguns, but, you will suffer the same problems.
Is there a benefit over traditional open sights? Quite possibly on handguns yes. Rifles, a matter of opinion. Are they as good as traditional aperatures on rifles, in my opinion, absolutely not.

I am offering my opinion, based on over thirty years of target shooting, and hunting with mainly aperature sighted rifles. You are welcome to yours.
Posting new products is great, but we should all be able to express our views on the product with out worry of offending the poster. There are a lot of new shooters here that can benefit from the discussion.

It is a fact that when an aperature is held close to the eye, the eye automatically centers in it, allowing the shooter to focus only on the target, and front post. Further, vision improves.
Try reading fine print through a pin hole punched in a piece of paper to see the effect. Both these effects are lost when the apperature is moved away.

Yanqui · « **Reply #10 on:** January 25, 2004, 04:31:37 AM »

I've been thinking about this thread. I posted the same in other forums. And I believe that it was my fault that it went off in the wrong discussion. In the title I called it a "Ghost-ring" and in fact the ad never calls it by that name. On the web sites for One Ragged Hole and Numrich it is never called a Ghost-ring sight. They call it an "aperture." Even though I tried to make the distinction by calling it "Type", there was enough to information to make it confusing.

In the future I will have to be more precise and clear in my wording.