if ya look through the ads on gunbroker sometimes ya can find a gem hidden by a poor description. my seneca came from there and was listed simply as a "hawken type" rifle so no-one bid on it so it only brought the openin' bid. other than that the muzzleloading forums have a want to buy in their classifieds. if ya go up to the muzzleloading page here and post what yer lookin' for ya might be pleasantly surprised. luck and have a good'en friend, bubba.