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Offline Willyp

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KIT GUN?
« on: December 30, 2011, 10:24:39 AM »
If i were to get a kit gun,flint-round ball shooter,what would be a decent one to try to build?????
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2011, 10:32:19 AM »
I'd suggest you go here and take a look, they generally give one an idea of building difficulty but all are more involved than the kits from Lyman or Traditions which are pretty much just bolt together and finish the wood.
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/SubList.aspx?catId=13
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2011, 10:43:55 AM »
Right!  What Joe said!   ;D
 
 
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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2011, 02:40:18 PM »
I guess it depends on your definition of "decent"...
 
The best, most historically correct guns come from Jim Chambers here in North Carolina...He use to be one of the gun makers at Old Salem and is one of the featured gunsmiths in Foxfire V...
 
His website is www.flintlocks.com
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2011, 03:01:38 PM »
What budget limit are you wanting to stay under? That would help a lot.  8)
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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2011, 05:41:50 PM »
I guess it depends on what you are looking for.  For a first build you might want to contact Deer Creek and see if they still have any of their Deer Creek Rifle kits.  They are actually the old CVA Mountain Rifles as they bought all the parts from CVA when they dropped the Mountain Rifle.  They also bought the barrel making machinery from Douglas Barrels when that company dropped the black powder line so you are basically getting a Douglas barrel.  The locks and triggers come from Spain and aren't the best quality.  My lock was very sloppy and I had to do some filling and drilling to get it to work right, but now she goes 50+ shots on a flint and sparks very reliably.

Inletting was pretty deep on mine and I had to do some shimming to keep the lock from binding on the barrel, and I took off a bunch of wood to match the stock to the trigger guard.  The comb was too high for me to align the sights properly so I recently rasped that down a bit and now she comes up just perfectly.  I mostly wanted that "Douglas" barrel as I had heard it was equal to Green Mountain's but the rifle is reliable and exactly what I want, and the price was right.  However, it is not historically correct and probably wouldn't pass muster at a period rendezvous.

Deer Creek doesn't have a web site, and I don't have their phone number or address handy but I can get that for you if you are interested.  Shoot me a PM if you want it.

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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2012, 02:33:05 PM »
Lyman Great Plains Rifle kits are a great place to start. All int inletting is done. You could put it together right out of the box and shoot it. You can do a "standard" kit or customize it to your liking. They are slow twist barrels and very accurate with a patched round ball.
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2012, 07:48:24 AM »
Quote from: flintlock on December 30, 2011, 02:40:18 PM
I guess it depends on your definition of "decent"...
 
The best, most historically correct guns come from Jim Chambers here in North Carolina...He use to be one of the gun makers at Old Salem and is one of the featured gunsmiths in Foxfire V...
 
His website is www.flintlocks.com

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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2012, 08:43:40 PM »
if this is your first build, stick with the basic kits available from Lyman, Traditions, etc.  If this is another build it yourself project Dixie gun works, Track of the wolf, and a couple others I can't remember right now, offer parts that you can mix and match, or build an exact replica from
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2012, 02:30:15 AM »
If you are going to get a gun from Track of the Wolf, might I humbly suggest you get one that has a Siler or Jim Chambers lock.  They are reliable sparkers, and they don't eat flints due to frizzen bounce like some others.  My gun is a sort-of transitional long rifle that my father built for me with a large Siler lock.  I get something like 50+ shots from a good flint, and I tend to change it more often than strictly necessary.   If you do happen to get one that eats flints, though, there was a recent article in Muzzleloader magazine that describes how to counter-act that tendency fairly simply and easily.


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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2012, 02:17:33 AM »
Well,i thought this out,as i always do [ procrastinated ],because money is tight! Also, my wife has a different out look on the  necessities of life,than i, and muzzle loaders aren't on it??????
Any how,i came across a brand new Lyman Great Plains Rifle,a fellow bought and never used ! It was bought last fall. It seems his friends talked him into it for a hunt and they never went. He lost the urge to go?
I lucked on to a brand new gun,box,papers and a new ball mould,for way less than a GPR kit gun!!!!!
Thank you folks for the advice and help.




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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2012, 04:22:39 AM »
You will like the GPR. They are great guns!
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2012, 05:26:09 AM »
GPR with a mould for less than a kit?? :o :o


Great find, enjoy!! 8)
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2012, 06:58:40 AM »
You'll enjoy the GPR...it's a great product.  8)
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2012, 02:23:13 PM »
I bought a Jim Chambers kit many moons ago.  When I got the parts, I knew it was way beyond my skill level.  I took it to a gun maker and had it put together.  His stuff is the best, quality wise. 
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« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2012, 11:23:20 AM »
I like Jim Chambers parts and "kits",he supply's alot of parts to TOW.His "kits" are not in the same league as say Lyman,CVA or T/C.Think of them as a collection of high quality parts for you to craft into a fine long rifle.They take more time and most definitely is NOT a weekend project.I would take Jim's "kit" building class at his location or at Conner Prairie if/when they offer a "kit" building class again.You wont be able to finish the rifle in 5 days but you will learn ALOT from the master.
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