Author Topic: Show Marlin 1892 I built from barstock (Read 3723 times)

Alphawolf45 · « **on:** December 23, 2011, 01:15:21 PM »

Hello Folks
I am a hobby gunsmith with a good home workshop... I inherited an original Marlin model 1892 in .22 caliber....And here are pictures of the copy that I made of that original rifle.. I used a rifled barrel blank from Green Mountain and I bought the tubular magazine from Wisners but I made every single other part,the entire receiver, bolts and springs..Plus I cast the bronze buttplate..Its lot of fun to empty a magazine of .22LR as fast as can lever in a cartridge , fire and shuck the empty and lever in another fresh one........I have built a couple other rifles that are 'bout as nice as this one and built a few that aren't as good....Still learning the gunsmithing side of things..Only about 7 years into this hobby... I try to build one or two projects a year....presently planning a barstock build of a Winchester 1876 in .45-60 caliber....Just finished a .22 caliber Winchester 1873 trapper length carbine.....Mostly I like .22s..............Probably I'll rebuild a wrecked Winchester model 65 in .218 BEE after the first of the year....More projects going than I can ever finish. ;-) ..
Comments welcome.

Swampman · « **Reply #1 on:** December 23, 2011, 01:51:01 PM »

Great job....!

Alphawolf45 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 23, 2011, 01:54:26 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on December 23, 2011, 01:51:01 PM

Great job....!

Thankyou

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 23, 2011, 02:41:50 PM »

That's just purty.

Any idea what you spent doing it?

Alphawolf45 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 23, 2011, 02:58:33 PM »

Quote from: kevinsmith5 on December 23, 2011, 02:41:50 PM

That's just purty.

Any idea what you spent doing it?

I appreciate the question.

A hundred and 50 dollars in this one? 50 for the tube magazine and then another hundred for the barrel blank and bit of walnut and chunks of steel....I dont keep a count.. A couple hundred dollars and a couple hundred hours will build a pretty good rifle.One that suits me....Add considerable more if you need top quality barrel and purty hunk of walnut.....Honestly my best work isnt up to high enough standards yet to justify a hefty financiial investment...But I am working up to doing better...I aint learning this out of a book or sitting in a classroom , I am thinking and working my way thru'em..Generally its working well for me..Excellent hobby..Heaps of fun..

Alphawolf45 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 23, 2011, 04:20:39 PM »

Found an interesting picture. The one I built next to the original 114 year old rifle.

Alphawolf45 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 23, 2011, 04:37:11 PM »

I am posting here in hopes to meet another hobbiest like myself that builds the antique rifles.....If youre reading this and youre thinking to yourself that your work makes mine look pitiful then you should step up and introduce yourself..I am able to learn by seeing better grades of work..I'd be happy to meet somebody that is real good at this type work....I already know a few very talented fellows doing such work like this for themselves and I am looking to find the others that are online... Here I used a bare Winchester 1873 receiver and I made all the other pieces including toggle links and breechbolt, cartridge carrier...everything.....Thats a Ruger 10-22 barrel on there ;-)

hillbill · « **Reply #7 on:** December 23, 2011, 05:02:12 PM »

good lord what skill that must take!

too phister · « **Reply #8 on:** December 23, 2011, 05:19:59 PM »

Damn, You've got a lot of that smithin stuff figured out pretty good. Must have a good shop loaded with "like to have" equipment and time enough to play. Like to see picts of your shop or list of equip used.

Alphawolf45 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 24, 2011, 01:34:07 AM »

Quote from: too phister on December 23, 2011, 05:19:59 PM

Damn, You've got a lot of that smithin stuff figured out pretty good. Must have a good shop loaded with "like to have" equipment and time enough to play. Like to see picts of your shop or list of equip used.

I do have a big shop and a lot of tools and I do have a lot of spare time....I cant give a list of the tools or show pictures of my shop without appearing to brag. I rather not do that...I'll say that if you visit the various numerous metalsworking forums online you will see many fellas with lots of nice tools and skills to use them.....But seems few are building replicas of antique AMERICAN made firearms. Which is my specific interest..Lots of guys are building tiny little steam engines....Wasteing their time ain'they? Hehheheh
. Tell you what is really challenging.. Drawings are not available for most firearms so its tough to build one unless you can get an authentic example to copy....I am getting to the point that -someday- I would like to try to build something really rare and historically significant but of course I cant get my hands on an original..Best I can do is collect pictures off the net and work up drawings in autocad...
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Here look at this...This was what the original receiver looked like when I started the Winchester 1873 shown above..It was a rust pocked relic that I TIG welded on for hours and ground and filed and stoned and sanded and buffed till it was usable again....I just wanted to see if I could make the receiver look good again.. I found I could do it but I swear I wont do another like it.

jhm · « **Reply #10 on:** December 24, 2011, 05:10:00 AM »

Alpha you have a skill that ALL of us here wish we had a part of !! It was a pleasure see what you have done wish I could just watch you do your work. Jim

Dirt Bag · « **Reply #11 on:** December 24, 2011, 05:54:02 AM »

'Wolf....I've got to tell you...I am in awe. Have been in on putting metal back on parts with a TIG welder, but never on the scale of that Winchester reciever. Have filled gouges and pits and built up screw heads etc., ....Looking at the before picture, I would have called it junk. Out of the question to try. Just goes to show again that it CAN be done....by someone with the patience perseverance to stay at it all the way.
ABSOLUTELY OUTSTANDING WORK!!!!
Hoping you'll stick around and post often, as we can all learn much from someone with your ability.
Respectfully;
Dirt Bag

bilmac · « **Reply #12 on:** December 24, 2011, 06:31:45 AM »

Did you watch the episode of American Guns where they machined a golden boy receiver? But then they bought all the guts. And then they didn't get the headspace right.

Nice nice work. I really admire craftsmen.

LaOtto222 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 28, 2011, 05:30:52 AM »

You are doing work that I dream of. I have a small shop , but there is no way I could do what you are doing. That is out standing work. You say it is bar stock, 4140? A2 tool steel? I know you are not using cold rolled for that work. Are you doing your own case hardening? Did I mention you do outstanding work?

Keep up the good work and don't be a stranger

Alphawolf45 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 28, 2011, 07:09:56 AM »

Laauto . I seen your shop. You have enough tools to build same things I build.. There are more tools you will want that will help speed up the work...I dont think a man is well setup till he has a surface grinder.I use mine almost everyday..It is essential.
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I do my own colorcasehardening.. My hobby requires I do it all .I use variety of steels..Mostly use hotrolled lowcarbon steel for anything that I will colorcaseharden.. And some parts I prefer to use A-2 or S-7 , but course they cant be colorcasehardened as they will crack with the water quench.

I dont know...I've acquired the machines and gained experience until this seems easy to me..Except working metal is slow work..Have more tools the work goes faster..Fewer tools and it slows down progress.. I find that with every project I have to stop and make my own reamers (including chambering reamers) and countersinks and occasionaly must make special sized taps and dies.. Slows work down considerably.......but,but,but, thats all part of the fun. Here see example of one homemade cutter. Thats my shop built Winchester highwall in .38-55 caliber..I buffed off most of the color casehardening colors because they were gaudy bright and didnt suit me...

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SHOOTALL · « **Reply #15 on:** December 28, 2011, 08:00:18 AM »

That is a beautiful gun . Excuse me while I drool all over the keyboard

Spanky · « **Reply #16 on:** December 28, 2011, 07:00:53 PM »

You're not a gunsmith... you are an artist.

Beautiful work.

Spanky

Alphawolf45 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 29, 2011, 05:46:46 AM »

Quote from: Spanky on December 28, 2011, 07:00:53 PM

You're not a gunsmith... you are an artist. Beautiful work.

Spanky

Thankyou Spanky

I am a machinist at heart . I like to play with gun projects.Certainly am not a gunsmith and dont pretend to be one..There is considerable I dont know about guns, or hunting or shooting at targets...But its all fun........I Build to suit my own modest standards...I still have a lot to learn so I just do best I can and resolve to do better on later projects...

Here is the only rifle I have carved a full length stock for...Story behind this gun is--- I have a Marlin mod 60 I have sentimental reasons to keep it as is...But it is ugly light colored birch stock with the pressed squirrel decoration..And the receiver and trigger guard is anodized aluminum....Just overall it is what it is - a cheap rifle and it dont give me sense of pride..I decided I would build better one...I bought barrel and the innards for a mod 60 on gunbrokerdot com and then I made the steel receiver and the steel trigger guard and cast the buttplate and carved the stock..Finished it purty to suit myself....................The trigger pull is long and rather heavy but she is good little shooter...And I still have the old one in original condition as I inherited from old friend..

Nobade · « **Reply #18 on:** December 29, 2011, 03:49:24 PM »

What you have in impressive quantities is patience! Not many folks have enough of that to learn what you have.

If you are not aware of him, google up Colin Stolzer. You two have a lot in common.

Alphawolf45 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 29, 2011, 04:33:17 PM »

I do know Colin. He works with the unfortunate disadvantage that the best creation of his labors has to leave and go off with the guy paying his price..I feel sorry for him.. I keep all my stuff...

I finish 4 more gun builds or rebuilds and I will give myself the honorary title of Gunsmith....I have more projects going than just 4... Being that I dont work for a customer it does not matter if I skip from one project to another, to another, to another......

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Nobade · « **Reply #20 on:** December 30, 2011, 01:57:57 AM »

Quote from: Alphawolf45 on December 29, 2011, 04:33:17 PM

I do know Colin. He works with the unfortunate disadvantage that the best creation of his labors has to leave and go off with the guy paying his price..I feel sorry for him.. I keep all my stuff...

I finish 4 more gun builds or rebuilds and I will give myself the honorary title of Gunsmith....I have more projects going than just 4... Being that I dont work for a customer it does not matter if I skip from one project to another, to another, to another...... ......

Yes, you are indeed fortunate to have the time and tools to do this and be able to keep the results. If more people had that available to them rather than having to pay the bills there is no telling what kind of neat stuff would get invented.

Keep at it and keep sharing with us envious folks out here in the internet world - I do believe if you do this long enough you will be able to call yourself a gunsmith.

Take care,
-Nobade

Hit or Miss · « **Reply #21 on:** January 02, 2012, 12:14:34 PM »

You are an artist! Absolutely beautiful workmanship from what I can see. Keep posting, I like to see what others are doing.

luckydawg13 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 03, 2012, 12:04:17 AM »

Quote from: Hit or Miss on January 02, 2012, 12:14:34 PM

You are an artist! Absolutely beautiful workmanship from what I can see. Keep posting, I like to see what others are doing.

wow you are artist beautiful work

52bagman · « **Reply #23 on:** January 03, 2012, 01:54:14 AM »

Simply Amazing and Outstanding. Good job.

Alphawolf45 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 03, 2012, 04:02:22 PM »

Quote from: Dirt Bag on December 24, 2011, 05:54:02 AM

'Wolf....I've got to tell you...I am in awe. Have been in on putting metal back on parts with a TIG welder, but never on the scale of that Winchester reciever. Have filled gouges and pits and built up screw heads etc., ....Looking at the before picture, I would have called it junk. Out of the question to try. Just goes to show again that it CAN be done....by someone with the patience perseverance to stay at it all the way.
ABSOLUTELY OUTSTANDING WORK!!!!
Hoping you'll stick around and post often, as we can all learn much from someone with your ability.
Respectfully;
Dirt Bag

Dirt bag
Thankyou that is high praise , more than I deserve.
I like welding, enjoy the practice ..My eyesight isnt good enough to be a great TIG welder but I get along..Here see this barrel from rifle I am rebuilding . Did this today...It had 12 holes tapped into it for scope bases and barrel was ringed/bulged just to left of the 4holes....Will reline the barrel next.

Spanky · « **Reply #25 on:** January 03, 2012, 07:17:04 PM »

What the heck happened to that poor barrel? Was it used as a practice barrel for drill and tap? Whatever the case it's glad to see you bringing it back to life.

When you reline it are you planning on keeping it a .218 Bee?

It's nice to have you around here... we love projects like yours.

Spanky

Alphawolf45 · « **Reply #26 on:** January 04, 2012, 05:10:38 AM »

Quote from: Spanky on January 03, 2012, 07:17:04 PM

What the heck happened to that poor barrel? Was it used as a practice barrel for drill and tap? Whatever the case it's glad to see you bringing it back to life.
When you reline it are you planning on keeping it a .218 Bee?

It's nice to have you around here... we love projects like yours.

Spanky

Thanks Spanky
It was 22 months between finishing these last two gun projects. Projects are stacking up .Want to work on a few that can be finished relatively quick.. This Model 65 Winchester I got in a trade 35 years ago..As received it was just a fire scorched buttstock, damaged receiver and the barrel as seen in pictures..... Model 65 is only written on the barrel which is my reason to go to extraordinary measures to save the barrel...Yes it will be .218 BEE again. I have a nice fat new centerfire .22 barrel blank to turn down to use as a liner.

I do not know the reason for the 12 tapped holes in the barrel and the 8 on top were drilled and tapped on an angle as if the muzzle was pointed down 3 or 4 inchs while the holes were drilled in a drill press...

.......Top eject Winchester so it was common to mount scope on the barrel but I am putting the gun back to nearly original condition............Later will show picture of the boogered receiver and what I have done to put it to usable condition.

bstarling · « **Reply #27 on:** January 09, 2012, 04:06:22 PM »

Alphawolf,

You do have some really nice work here. I have TIG filled holes in a Mauser barrel and got a really golden finish at the fills when the barrel was hot blued. The rest of the barrel is great but for the off color TIG work. I used copper clad steel gas rod so I know that doesn't work well. I am currently working on a momicked Stevens shotgun receiver and using coat hanger wire. I hope that will do better.

Bill

Alphawolf45 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 09, 2012, 05:22:18 PM »

Bill
Hope your Stevens shotgun receiver comes out to your liking..Pictures?

I rust blue and that hides lots of sins....but ..Was thinking of taking this one to a friend to have him hot blue it but now you've scared me right outta that idea...

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I am turning down the new barrel to use as liner.Already have this old barrel drilled out.. Should get the liner inside the old barrel tomorrow .Need to grind myself a .218BEE chambering reamer.

.Just been reading Gunnut69's method for rub in stock refinish way back in page 114 from 2003 .. Want to try a new wood finishing method with this one.......I didnt fool with a gun project til 2005...A whole considerable lot I aint tried yet...........bought a couple more gun projects since I posted here last...Hard to finish a project, easy to start in on another..wonder why that is?

Muddly · « **Reply #29 on:** March 01, 2012, 04:28:28 AM »

You've made some HARDCORE gun porn there! Its reassuring to see that your level of craftmanship still exists for it own sake. Bravo! My keyboard is soaking wet with drool over that little M-60 Marlin. Thou shalt not covet... GREAT rifle! I've always liked the little boogers. Very accurate and a better handling rifle you'll look a LONG time to find. The only thing I cant stand about them is the aluminum recievers. The alloy feed ramps on the tube mag models inspires no love either... Keep up the fine work. Perhaps, if you sign your work in some way, future generations of gun nuts will squabble over one of your babies.