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Back to a bow and have some questions :)
« on: December 13, 2011, 04:03:58 AM »
Hello everyone, new to the forum today and very excited about my new bow which is on its way to me. I'm not a hunter and I'll be using this bow for targets only. I bought a vintage Bear Kodiak Magnum 52" bow in 56# strength. The bow is in perfect shape and I picked it up for $230  8)

I owned a Bear Grizzly 40 years ago when I taught kids at summer camp how to shoot....I haven't shot since! My wife mentioned to me last week that she'd like to learn archery and that fired me up to look for vintage bows. I haven't yet found her bow bu I'm still searching. Here's my questions;

1- Proper arrow length for the magnum
2- Best arrow material for target shooting

My wife is 5'2" tall and in good shape, I'm thinking a 45-50# bow would suit her well. She only sees out of her left eye so I presume she'll need a lefty bow. I'm hoping to find her a grizz or kodiak lefty 1964-1967 model for her. Any thoughts on the poundage for her?

Finally, when I taught years ago we had a 48 inch circular straw target back with a nice big target face on a stand at our range. Any suggestions on targets would be appreciated.

Thanks

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Re: Back to a bow and have some questions :)
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2011, 11:14:57 AM »
Lots of question there.  For your bow its about your draw length, different ways to figure that.  Take a tape measure and measure from your chest out with your arms out straight palms together, measure to the fingertips, that should be close enough to get started on arrow length. You can fine tune later.  Your going to want properly spined arrows for your length.  For your 56# bow your looking at arrows in the 60 to 65lbs spine most likely for wood, for carbon different brands have different systems.  Gold Tip 55-75 will be good, other brands 400's or 350s.  For aluminum go look at the charts I don't remember anymore.  Most arrows come full length and have to be cut, sometimes I just go full length until I decide I'm going with more arrows of that kind.  You don't want to undercut your length.
For your wife I wouldn't go over 40lbs.  How much archery has she done?  I'd really start her at 30 or 35 lbs and go from there.  You want to develop good form and habits.  Make it easy and enjoyable, for target shooting you don't need anything more.
I see some famlies buying Gensis bow for tying out and fun, you could go the takedown ILF style recurve with interchangable limbs, you only need one set of limbs but if you want to change limbs its easy and cheaper than a whole bow.  Samick makes some decent entry level bows.   Again proper length and spined arrows for your wife are going to be important.  DONT OVERBOW a newcomer to archery!   Bad form and habits will result in lack of accuracy and frustration.
If your looking at old bows look for Indian Archery bow between 30 and 40lbs, some good York bows out there, some Ben Pearsons at lower poundages, Shakespear, and of course Bear if you can find the lower weights.   Look for twisted limbs and delaminated bows that have been reglued.  Don't buy those.
Remember look at the weight at the draw length mostly experessed something like 45#@28  thats 45lbs of weight at 28inch draw.  I dought your wife will draw 28 inches.  One problem with women using bows with a ## at 28inches is while they certainly don't draw the full weight at their draw length, they also don't get the full performance of the limbs cause they never get the limbs back far enough.  Thus poor performance, accuracy, frustration etc.
I always suggest getting a woman a bow that is a good draw weight for her draw length for best performance.
Target butts are all over the place, saunders and a few others make the big round ones, square and rectangel layer foam ones are popular, several other types out there.  Alot depends on where your going to be shooting and the weather the target butts are going to be in.
The archery in the schools program targets and joad style targets can be found too.
 
Check out Lancaster Archery, Three Rivers Archery, KustomKing Archery, even FS Discout Archery
 
 
Hope that gives you some info to get started!

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Re: Back to a bow and have some questions :)
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2011, 02:21:29 AM »
Thanks so much for all the info. I hope to score a Bear Grizzly 35# bow for her today. My Dad suggested a long bow for her vrs a recurve. She's never shot before...zero experience. I've never used a long bow other than cheap ones the kids shot back at camp 40 years ago. Any thoughts on the long bow vrs a recurve for a beginning archer?  8)
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Re: Back to a bow and have some questions :)
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2011, 05:08:28 AM »
Doug

MJH has provided you some very sage advice.  Archery has to be fun and too much bow can be be a real downer.  Suggest you look up a local archery club or dedicated shop that would allow your wife to test drive a few bows.  That way she can determine the draw weight and length that fits her.

Long bow vs recurve.  Both are a hoot to shoot instinctively...that is without attached sights.  With enough practice instinctive shooting can be extremely accurate allowing hits on stationary and moving targets.  This places both bows high on the fun factor. Recurve bows can be fitted with sights which allow for a consistent aiming point and probably a quicker learning curve to shooting accurately. 

My first hunting bow was a Bear Kodiak Magnum, so your post struck a soft place in my heart.  Wish I had never sold it, but was hit with "Compound-itis" and needed the money. 

The best to you and your wife in your archery venture.

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Re: Back to a bow and have some questions :)
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2011, 09:39:04 AM »
Longbow or recurve doesn't really matter, they are both fun.  Longbow most likely will require more dilgence in finding the correctly spined arrow.  I suggest newcomers shoot three fingers under the arrow but thats just me....

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Re: Back to a bow and have some questions :)
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2011, 02:59:31 AM »
Thanks guys! I'm happy to report that I picked her up a 1968 BEAR Tigercat 35# in like new condition. I mean like new :) It had been purchased new in 68 then carefully stored away until now. It's a lefty as is a 1970 BEAR Grizzly I picked up for her as well. Also in great shape, green in color like my Kodiak. The Griz is a 55# bow and I'll set it aside for her to graduate too in the future. I've attached a pic of the grizz below. Today I'll search for a target  8)
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Re: Back to a bow and have some questions :)
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2011, 01:40:35 PM »
Greetings   Been a recurver all my bow experience starting at about 14 . Broke my last long bow last time up north there. 
My target is an plain 3 " circle donut drawn on the inside of a cereal box.  I loose arrows at it from whatever distance (10 yards) starting and stay there till I can put every arrow on that 3" target.  Then I back up 3 yards and keep at it till again every arrow on target.   I have a Bear Hunter Takedown #50 (28") down here with me and am at 20 yards with it.  I do shoot at 24 yards also (as far as my lot is) but I cannot do 3" 100% yet at that distance. 
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Re: Back to a bow and have some questions :)
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2011, 10:41:36 AM »
Hi Mike, I'm in the islands of the florida keys. We use 2' by 2' solid styrafoam blocks to put boats on when pulled out of the canal with boat lifts. I picked up 4 today and lashed them together. I'm waiting for my arrows to arrive. They ship tomorrow.... can't wait. 8)
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Re: Back to a bow and have some questions :)
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2011, 05:31:12 AM »
When I had my recurve I took an empty 25 pound back of dog food turned it inside out and stuffed it with rags and old blankets and then stiched it shut. It made a great target stopped arrows from my 50# grizzly dead. I just drew a 4" circle on the bag but you could tack targets to it too.
 
I cant wait...hopefully next week I am going to get another recurve.
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Re: Back to a bow and have some questions :)
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2011, 02:03:45 AM »
FINALLY got my arrows in and shooting glove and arm guard. Fired off my first quiver full in 40 years along with my wife and best friend Sherri who had never shot before.....drum roll please...... Had a blast, every arrow in the target, will get better with practice AND she fell in love with the sport. Here's some pictures....Merry Christmas!
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Re: Back to a bow and have some questions :)
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2011, 02:49:55 PM »
Great to add the photos, looks like your on the mark to having some fun!  Florida Key's spent some of my formative years running up and down the causeways, diving, snorkeling and gennerally trying to live the island life.....