ED HAVE YOU TRIED NOSLER BALLISTIC TIPS they have worked good for me I have a 6.5 JDJ IN A 12'' BBL. AND USE THE 120 GR, ALTHOUGH for the 7-30 in a carbine that i'm getting everyone is telling me to go with the 140 gr. b. tip I think that will give good penetration but maybe not much expansion , the 120gr might be a little light and maybe to much expansion and not enough penetration so it seems like a trade off , I think it best to go with good penetration and and good lung shots -they have to go down