Bombs in the WTC....

[TM7]

MMMmmmm....compendium of bomb reports in the WTC from media and first responders....later scrubbed, starts with Bush Jr slip up. :

 
 
..TM7

[BUGEYE]

you're wrong.

[BBF]

 Nope, he isn't.

[BUGEYE]

Nope, he isn't.

yes he is.

[kinslayer1965]

"First, no steel-framed skyscraper, even engulfed in flames hour after hour, had ever collapsed before. What about steel framed skyscrapers engulfed in flames that had 757s flown into them applying 1.5 billion ftlbs of energy to the support structure? Seen any of those? As a matter of fact we all did on 9/11/2001.Suddenly, three stunning collapses occur within a few city blocks on the same day, two allegedly What now we don't believe planes hit them? Please tell me that you are kidding! hit by aircraft, the third not[/b]." [/size]
 
The rest of this is full of the same kind of innacuracies. It is not worth pointing them all out.....but just out of curiosity why would the impact hole be two or three times the size of the airplane?

[BUGEYE]

Dr. Reynolds is an obvious idiot.  727 engine ?  I think not.  767 engines and 727 engines do not look anything alike.  767 is bypass engine, 727 is not.

[BUGEYE]

okay I'm back. first, remember all those videos of 767s hitting the towers, not to mention all the eye-witnesses.  all of your dis-info sites show a 767 engine with the cowling and compressor blades stripped off by the collision.

[BUGEYE]

okay I'm back. first, remember all those videos of 767s hitting the towers, not to mention all the eye-witnesses.  all of your dis-info sites show a 767 engine with the cowling and compressor blades stripped off by the collision.

NYCity turbine identified as a CFM56....in NYC...not talking about pentacon....keep it straight.
 
..TM7
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you take your info from sites that THINK there was a conspiracy.
I take mine from sites that tell the truth.....keep it straight.

[BUGEYE]

CFM56....do the research. Show us what you come up with.
 
Your info sites wouldn't lie or fudge, riiiight!!.....
 
 
..TM7
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I did the research.  your post said 727, the dis-info sites said 737, my sites said 767.
your sites are lies, nothing else.

[BUGEYE]

CFM56.....!!
 
2 CFM56's wouldn't even get a 767 off the ground.
 
TM7
 

of course they wouldn't. nobody tried to.

[BUGEYE]

In another forum you berated another member that was supposedly repeating a lie until it became reality.  you're doing the same here.

[BUGEYE]

the forum nonsense as you say is the truth. I read it.
the engine was not a 727 engine as you say. "that" is nonsense.

[kinslayer1965]

CFM56.......... I hate to be the bad guy here but there has been no definative evidence put forth as to what type of engine was found. All you have is hearsay with links to conspiracy sights that surprise surprise say.......there was a conspiracy........I was totaly shocked. You try to do any research and follow any of the stuff posted and you get either led to another conspiracy sight that says "we have an email from someone who says he is a mechanic" with no proof or backup. Then this gets repeated an another sight and so on and so on till it seems to become gospel. It seems rather funny to me that all of these links back and forth and shocking evidence being put forth and not one link to a Boeing or General Electric/Volvo Aero Global site. General Electric/Volvo Aero Global by the way are the manufacturers and designers of the CF6-80 which is the powerplant for the 767. I didn't need an "email" from a "guy" who works at a, or a "seasoned pilot of 20 years" I just went to GE sight and found the info I was looking for. As to what kind of engine was found and what type it is I have found no documentation proving that it was not the remains of a CF6-80.

[BUGEYE]

I went back and reviewed the videos and eye-witness reports and sure enough, it was 767s hitting the towers.
I have read the dis-info sites and their "eye-witless" reports and nothing has changed.
I told you what kind of engine it was.  you can choose to believe or not believe.
btw, the people who know the truth far out-number those who live in make-believe worlds.
I gave up fairy-tales long ago.

[BUGEYE]

  did you expect a pristine engine ?  nope, it was from a 767 with the cowling and fan stripped from it.  you keep asking for identification and kinslayer and myself gave it to you.  keep asking and you'll keep getting the same answer.

[BUGEYE]

did you expect a pristine engine ?  nope, it was from a 767 with the cowling and fan stripped from it.  you keep asking for identification and kinslayer and myself gave it to you.  keep asking and you'll keep getting the same answer.

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All you and the OCT loyalists have to do is positively identify the turbine, and give unified serial codes, found on Murrary St.  That's all.
 
Is that too much to ask? meanwhile the CF6-80 turbines may not have been on the two alleged planes striking the WTC..I believe those assemblies utilized JT9....check it out. Just ID the turbines....that's all....why hide and obscure this stuff.? Of course, those two tail numbers were never taken off NTSB records as mandated by law within 24 hours.
 
What about the explosions video.?
 
..TM7

here we go again.  the JT9 engine was developed for the 747 and they were huge.
I stood in front of one of our 747s as some flight attendants posed "standing up inside the cowling of the #3 engine" for some PR stuff.

explosions, I watched as the pancaking building compressed the air in each floor which blew out windows and tiny holes in the walls.   I have a little 1-gallon air compressor, max 100psi which can really blow things around.  imagine 1000s of tons falling and compressing the air on a floor.
something would have to give, which explains the puffs out the windows and little holes in the wall.

[kinslayer1965]

TM7,
 
Your first post was the bomb video. Your second post I believe started the engine discussion and at the very least caused the discussion to have more than one direction to go. So if you want it to stay on point those should have been two different threads. Just my opinion.
 
You appear to be correct the 767 was offered with a choice of engines to the early customers. The PW-JT9 and the GE CF6-80. I have found some info that suggest flight 175 had the PW engines and flight 11 had the CF6-80 engines but have no way to confirm that information.
 
You pull that "unified serial codes" like a gun. I have yet to find any info about any "unified serial codes for any airplane.  Not sure what the lack of or non existence of is supposed to mean.
 
Just out of curiosity why is it our responsibility to prove or disprove anything. You guys are the ones wanting people to believes some grand conspiracy exist. Find me some report published and verified that the engine found was not from a 767. It is your theory not mine. Just give me something other than a twice removed link to a conspiracy site that says someone told someone that  "i work for an airline and that is not a 767 engine" and then will not even post the email itself or attempt to verify it in any way.
 
If there were some continuity in the conspiracy theories they might be be easier to buy into.
 
1 Towers were not hit by planes.
2 Toweres were hit by planes just not the ones we were told.
3 Towers were hit by planes that fired missiles into them just before contact
4 Towers were hit by planes to hide controlled demo
5 Towers had bombs intalled on lower floors that went off at random times
6 WTC 7 was control center for controlled emolition of towers then demolished
7 Mini nukes were used on the towers
8 Nano thermite was used on the towers
9 WTC 7 was not damaged by the collapse of the towers
10 Fires were insuffiecient to cause collapse "random" all evidence to the contrary
 
and many many more
 

[OldSchoolRanger]

CFM56....do the research. Show us what you come up with.
 
Your info sites wouldn't lie or fudge, riiiight!!.....
 
 
..TM7
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BUGEYE is correct. 
BTW are your information sites correct?  You say they wouldn't lie either right? 

[OldSchoolRanger]

kinslayer1965 - When you say: "why is it our responsibility to prove or disprove anything. You guys are the ones wanting people to believes some grand conspiracy exist. Find me some report published and verified that the engine found was not from a 767. It is your theory not mine."
 
You are absolutely correct, TM has nothing, he's trying to sell a fairy tale, thus he needs you to prove that it's not true.  If he in fact did have conclusive proof, he would hit you with it, until you agreed.
 
A lawyer friend of mine years ago gave me this advice about trying cases, and it applies here.  He said: "When you have facts, you argue facts, when you don't, you try to dazzle them with bulls***. "
I am amazed that the advice this friend gave me years ago is so true when you are dealing with someone like TM.  Obviously, TM is trying his darndest to dazzle you with bulls***.

I guess it's not working.  I wonder why?

[BUGEYE]

there were no explosions,  it's plain to see in the videos.
someone said, there are none so blind, as those who will not see.

[BUGEYE]

there were no explosions,  it's plain to see in the videos.
someone said, there are none so blind, as those who will not see.

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You wouldn't know...your computor doesn't show videos or sound,,,duh..
 
..TM7

my computer shows videos. just no sound.  but the videos on my wifes computer does.  if it's really important, I can crank up the desk-top.
there were no explosions, unless of course you're into fairy tales. duh.

[BUGEYE]

Crank up your sound computor...come back and tell me there were no explosions....the CFM56 is hanging in the newsmeum at the NTSB in DC....
 
..TM7

just hustle on over there and you'll see for yourself what it is.
since I know, I don't have to go.

[1911crazy]

All i'm going to say is if we watch the video as the building fell we see explosions and fire balls at intervals as the building went down.  To me the bomb theory is questionable for sure.
 
Cover up??  One pilot spotted the tail number of one of the crashed planes months later still flying.  Again its questionable for sure.... Cover up maybe.

Our navy also shot down the passenger plane off the ny coast too with a missle during exercises and everyone on the cleanup crew knew this I had a friend of a freind there who spilled the beans.
 
Pearl Harbor was a complete cluster FuXX too.  I still believe we knew it was comming and was going to happen.
 
I hope i'm wrong but how could they put american lives in harms way are we the mid and lower class expendable? 

[BUGEYE]

there would have to be too many people sworn to secrecy for any of them to have worked.
people just WON'T keep a secret.

[Heather]

there would have to be too many people sworn to secrecy for any of them to have worked.
people just WON'T keep a secret.

It is a simple case of the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. Secrets are impossible to keep in most cases, but when you have limited task spread out over a bunch of people who don't know what each other are doing, it seems possible. I am not advocating for the original topic, BUT I don't see the impossibility of secrets as being a way to disprove the theory. It is very easy to get people to do 'evil' without them even knowing it is evil. 

[OldSchoolRanger]

All i'm going to say is if we watch the video as the building fell we see explosions and fire balls at intervals as the building went down.  To me the bomb theory is questionable for sure.
 
Cover up??  One pilot spotted the tail number of one of the crashed planes months later still flying.  Again its questionable for sure.... Cover up maybe.

Our navy also shot down the passenger plane off the ny coast too with a missle during exercises and everyone on the cleanup crew knew this I had a friend of a freind there who spilled the beans.
 
Pearl Harbor was a complete cluster FuXX too.  I still believe we knew it was comming and was going to happen.
 
I hope i'm wrong but how could they put american lives in harms way are we the mid and lower class expendable?

explosions and fire balls at intervals as the building went down - This is a natural phenomenon, when you have a building collapse of this size, sort of like a gasoline engine, when gas is injected into the cylinder and it is compressed, then a spark s introduced.
 
 the tail number of one of the crashed planes months later still flying - Is there a possibility the tail number was reassigned like a license plate number?
 
 Pearl Harbor was a complete cluster FuXX too.  I still believe we knew it was comming and was going to happen - John Toland a respected first class historian wrote a book about this documenting papers, and sources that point to the fact that Pres. F.D. Roosevelt knew about the pending attack on Pearl Harbor and chose not to do anything.  But Toland does not say so, he just lays out the information, and allows you to make up your own mind.  The name of the book is: "Infamy: Pearl Harbor and It's Aftermath".

[Brett]

Okay, let me get this straight....flights #175 and #11 (767s) were substituted with smaller, bomb laden jet liners which struck the towers.   So where are the passengers of the two original 767s?   Are they at the bottom of the ocean?

I also thought the demolition of buildings like the WTC towers required the removal of a lot of support material as well as explosive charges. In every program I have ever seen on building demolition the charges are hard wired together in series.  Wouldn't someone notice wires running all over the building?           

[BUGEYE]

Brett, those are the questions that the conspiracy folks can't answer.
I saw all the videos, those WERE 767s.

[kinslayer1965]

 
 
OSR/Brett....NTSB regs say all plane crashes require Tail Number removed from flight registery immediately If you could post the documents proving that statement I would appreciate it. I can't seem to locate it? The FAA asigns N numbers for aircraft and they will not retire a number.
 
Would take about 100 or less people for this caper including foreign technicians. Only if you assume the 50,000 people working in the two towers had no sense of curiosity.

  some outside energies were applied to symetrically drop the building  Yup I believe they refer to them as 767s. Approx 1.5 billion ftlbs per building of "outside energies"
 
Brett prior to 911 ,,,WTC was shut down in several stages to allow for 'cabling' upgradesI guess it would be silly to ask for documentation of that claim.
 
Otherwise, Demolition companies should use kerozene fuels for demolitions since it seems so reliable... I think Casul covered this already when he said "maybe it is the cost of first flying 767s into the buildings that makes it prohibitive"
 
some charges were radio and battery fired Guess you had to throw that in there to explain how all the controll wiring could withstand 767 impacts...i believe you referred to them as "outside energies"
 
When a building is demolitions using controlled demolition the building is gutted down to bare floors and support structure and then it still can take months to set up the explosives. I wonder how long it would take to set this up in a building that is not gutted down to support and has 50,000 people wondering it daily. Hmmm would this then extend the time line backwards to Bill Clintons watch? Wonder how that fits int the grand scheme of things. Especially since most conspiracy people want to lay it all at Bush's feet.

[BUGEYE]

Kinslayer, you slay me.