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Offline rdlange

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Re: To ream or not to ream?
« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2011, 01:49:20 PM »
Everyone I know on this forum is great.  Lots of integrity here.

Anyone know about the Hornady 140 FTX LE bullets being available for sale anywhere... and loading them in the Maxi? 

140 seems lightweight for this caliber, but they're pointed so might better long range performance.

Otherwise I'll be trying 180 JHPs.

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Re: To ream or not to ream?
« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2011, 01:58:19 PM »
Quote from: rdlange on September 30, 2011, 01:49:20 PM
Everyone I know on this forum is great.  Lots of integrity here.

Anyone know about the Hornady 140 FTX LE bullets being available for sale anywhere... and loading them in the Maxi? 

140 seems lightweight for this caliber, but they're pointed so might better long range performance.

Otherwise I'll be trying 180 JHPs.

Be Well...

Depends what you are using them for. If you push them to hard, they aren't very good for deer hunting. They come apart pretty easy.

I recommend the Hornady 180 grain SSP bullets. That's all I shoot now in the Maxie.
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Re: To ream or not to ream?
« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2011, 02:27:21 PM »
Quote from: rdlange on September 30, 2011, 01:49:20 PM
Everyone I know on this forum is great.  Lots of integrity here.

Anyone know about the Hornady 140 FTX LE bullets being available for sale anywhere... and loading them in the Maxi? 

140 seems lightweight for this caliber, but they're pointed so might better long range performance.

Otherwise I'll be trying 180 JHPs.

Be Well...

Midway has em, I wouldn't want to shoot anything other than a coyote up close with em, but they might be ok at longer range in the Maxi, they are a pistol bullet, not a rifle bullet, the 140gr FTX ammo runs over 1800fps in a 22" 357mag barrel.

Tim


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Re: To ream or not to ream?
« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2011, 03:47:51 PM »
The brass came today.  Thanks CW, it's great having friends like you. 

All I could find local was Speer 158 JHP and CCI BR4 small rifle primers. 

Found several loads listed for 2400 which I have. 

Only dies I've got are a set of Lyman 310 for 357.  Be interesting with this long case.  Always did like a challenge.

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Re: To ream or not to ream?
« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2011, 02:21:00 AM »
Quote from: rdlange on October 01, 2011, 03:47:51 PM
The brass came today.  Thanks CW, it's great having friends like you. 

All I could find local was Speer 158 JHP and CCI BR4 small rifle primers. 

Found several loads listed for 2400 which I have. 

Only dies I've got are a set of Lyman 310 for 357.  Be interesting with this long case.  Always did like a challenge.

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I have used allot of those BR primers... Rems are my fav but you should be fine with the BR CCI's.

Same for the  Sierras, not a good deer bullet, but fine for having fun shooting your new Maxi!

2400 will make it go bang and with a bit of fiddling, you will likely find a acceptable loading.

Never herd of anyone using a 310 for the maxi... I am not sure that the dies will be compatible. I realize I commented that most dies will do both. But such a small percentage of people still use the 310 I didn't think you would be using one...
 
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Re: To ream or not to ream?
« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2011, 04:24:50 AM »
FWIW, Buffalo Arms has a threaded adapter to put 310 dies in a std reloading press. If folks like a portable hand press the LEE is pretty decent, and often cheap at a gunshow table (I have 2 now). You can set them each up with different function dies and not have to change them out.
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Re: To ream or not to ream?
« Reply #36 on: October 02, 2011, 01:34:00 PM »
Well, the 310 proved easy.  So far I've used it only on straight cases. 

The expander die will open the case mouth enough to slip the bullets deep enough by hand to get straight. 

Depriming and priming are can be seen steps.  You can set the priming die to seat just below the rim and set tight. 

Seating was precise for my flat or hollow points in the crimping die with the seater plug screwed down just enough to get the case mouth to the cannelure and then you can unscrew it to crimp, or set it to seat and crimp all at once.  I guess for pointed bullets I'll need another stem, or maybe I can use a stem from another rifle set hollowed for pointed bullets.

Proved to be a very easy process and not too hard on the hands for the Maxi.  Used a long lug set of handles for Maxi.

The most time consuming part was measuring the individual powder charges.  An auto measure would speed the process.  But a Lee scoop, powder trickler and scale worked fine.

Before, I did use a lee expander die for 45 Colt lead bullets because the 310 expander plug wasn't big enough for .454 bullets.  Then the lee crimp die because I had it.  Both in the Lee hand press. 

Making a blank length cartridge for setting the dies is HIGHLY recommended. 

So I'm happy with the 310 for straight cases.  It works well.


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Re: To ream or not to ream?
« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2011, 05:00:52 AM »
How many people reading this thread offered to buy Ratdog's "junk" 38-357 barrel?


I think we insulted him. Maybe he would understand if he knew about the handshake.
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Re: To ream or not to ream?
« Reply #38 on: October 05, 2011, 05:53:34 AM »
Quote from: Maccool on September 25, 2011, 03:59:53 AM
I have read a lot on the reaming of the chamber from mag to max on here and read how it will still shoot 38 and mags just as good as it did before the reaming. The thing I was wondering was, I hunt in a area that my farthest shot is about 90 yards and use the 357 mag. now and don't have any reason to not believe with good shot placement I would ever lose a deer from lack of power. So if you plan to run mags and 38's in your 357 mag pretty much exclusively do you think it is worth while to ream it to max or just leave it as is, or ream it and if I ever happen to need to run the maxies I have it covered?

You have been quiet...
 
Have you decided to ream or not?
 
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Re: To ream or not to ream?
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2011, 08:05:33 AM »
Shot mine today.  Not sure it likes 2400 w/158 HPs.  Maybe one load, but range makes you use their single bull targets so it was hard to tell.  Anyway they all went bang and one seems to have done 1"+ at 50yds, so I'll try that again.

I like it and reloading is easy, so I'll be back out there next week. 

Maybe time for some 4227 or H110 and get some 180 SPs.

Anyone use 4198 in this caliber?

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Re: To ream or not to ream?
« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2011, 12:43:51 PM »
Quote from: rdlange on October 08, 2011, 08:05:33 AM
Shot mine today.  Not sure it likes 2400 w/158 HPs.  Maybe one load, but range makes you use their single bull targets so it was hard to tell.  Anyway they all went bang and one seems to have done 1"+ at 50yds, so I'll try that again.

I like it and reloading is easy, so I'll be back out there next week. 

Maybe time for some 4227 or H110 and get some 180 SPs.

Anyone use 4198 in this caliber?

Be Well...

Based on my own years shooting this caliber and others observations here... 4227, H110, WW296 and above all AA1680 are your best bets...
 
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Re: To ream or not to ream?
« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2011, 08:07:25 PM »
Thinking about it, I ws leaning towards H4227 as it is an extreme powder supposedly not as sensitive to Texas heat.  Also listed for 22 hornet.  Even though AA1680 seems preferred by many. 

I used 2400 because I have it and is a listed powder.  Just read on the maxi forum that 17.5gr is a lighter load and I should be trying 18 to 21.5 in my Handi.  18gr group opened way up so I figured more would result in bad groups.  Maybe next time I'll go heavier.

So I will be looking around for different powder and definitely the 180 SSP bullets to try.

I don't intend to shoot cast bullets in this gun.  I'll save lead for my 45LC carbine even though I've reamed it to 454.

Oh, magtech 357 mag 158JHPs grouped well during sight in.

Thanks for the advise.  I will consider it all carefully.

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Re: To ream or not to ream?
« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2011, 05:01:26 AM »
Try Powder Valley (Google it) they carry all kinds of reloading supplies and and some loaded ammo, near Winfield KS. I buy loaded Hornady ammo from them, only 40 miles from where I live ............and all my reloadind powder and black powder stuff I get from them. They ship all over the USA for sure.......
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Re: To ream or not to ream?
« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2011, 06:02:45 AM »
Quote from: rdlange on October 08, 2011, 08:07:25 PM
Thinking about it, I ws leaning towards H4227 as it is an extreme powder supposedly not as sensitive to Texas heat. 

H4227 was discontinued a few years ago, but was the same powder as IMR4227 was, and is now, mfrd as ADI's AR2205, this was inan article of Handloader magazine and I verified it with Hodgdon.  ;)

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Re: To ream or not to ream?
« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2011, 06:14:09 AM »
After God knows how many years of re-creating the wheel, Ive decided that using the top one or two powders recommended by those who have 'been there' is a great place to start.
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Re: To ream or not to ream?
« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2011, 05:50:26 PM »
Quote from: gcrank1 on October 09, 2011, 06:14:09 AM
After God knows how many years of re-creating the wheel, Ive decided that using the top one or two powders recommended by those who have 'been there' is a great place to start.
I don't know if you are referring to me, But YES I agree, I have been using AA1680 and a 180SSP bullet in the maxi for a very long time... Before the "357 Maximum in Indiana" web site came to be or before many guys here as well. When I find a great loading, I stick with it...
 
Just a few of my favorite powder/bullet combos that will never change...
 
IMR4350 in the 30/06 & 243
H4831 in the .270 & 280
WW748 in the 30-30
RL7 in the 375Win
AA1680 on the 357Maxi
IMR4198 in the 45-70 & 444
H380 in the 22-250
IMR4064 in the 8MM Mauser
H322 in the 223
H335 in the 7mm/08
AA2460 in the 35REM
Red Dot for light 12Ga
Blue Dot for heavy 12Ga
and I have two favorites for my 35 Whelen...RL15 for the 225 and up, heavy weights and AA2520 for the 200Gr bullets.
 
All of these sans the RL15 Whelen loadings have been found many years ago and remain top performers in many firearms.
 
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