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Cutting Down a barrel?
« on: September 13, 2011, 11:11:09 AM »
Howdy,
I didn't see this in the FAQ's(if it's in there please direct me!) it maybe I'm a little slow and everyone else knows how to do this. I am guessing that you want to square the end of the muzzle with the center line of the bore, so what is the best way to make that cut on a tapered barrel? I am assuming that if you put some type of guide on the barrel it would be square with the taper or angle of the taper and not the center line of the bore?
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Re: Cutting Down a barrel?
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2011, 11:18:20 AM »
See the crowning tips in the FAQs, best way to be precise is in a lathe or use a piloted muzzle crowning tool, but it's not that critical, just eye ball it and touch it up with a file to get it as square to the bore as possible. Someone here(LONGTOM or Gendoc maybe) has a barrel with the muzzle cut at an obvious angle that shoots bug holes!  ;D

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Re: Cutting Down a barrel?
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2011, 12:16:00 PM »
Cool thanks Tim

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Re: Cutting Down a barrel?
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2011, 06:33:51 PM »
Here's what I found to do a hand cut and crown.  Got this tip off Surplusrifle forum I think.

Plug the muzzle about 1/4in below where you want to cut it so metal doesn't get down the bore.

Hack saw to length.  A wrap of tape around the barrel can act as a cutting guide, or get fancy and scribe it.  Work around slowly to make a constant depth ring, then cut through. Wipe it clean, with alcohol maybe.

Carefully file the barrel muzzle as flat and square as you can.    Wipe clean. 

Finish flat muzzle end smooth with 600 grit paper wrapped against a hard backing if you have it.  Wipe it clean.

Get a Lee case trimmer and a pilot that fits inside the barrel.  Wrap tape around the pilot shaft at a couple of places to shim it evenly, so the pilot is centered and doesn't touch the rifling, and is a press fit down the bore [no wobble].  Grease the taped pilot rod and insert into the bore.  Turn the case trimmer against the muzzle which will cut a depression in the end of the muzzle, square to the bore.  Use cutting oil if you have it or tap magick.  I went about 1/16in deep, by hand.  A slow drill might work for you.  The muzzle is now square to the bore.  Wipe it clean. 

Fold a strip of 600 grit around the flat back end of the trimmer shaft and twist it against the depression bottom to smooth it out like face of muzzle earlier.  Wipe it clean.

Then hand spin a ball bearing [or with slow drill - a round head brass bolt] coated with valve grinding compound against the sharp muzzle bore rim to make the true crown.  Spin evenly, and use a magnifier if you have one to see symmetrical progress.  After grinding a slight ring, wipe it clean.

Use another bolt and polished the crown ring with Flitz metal polish or equivalent.  Wipe it clean.

When satisfied, push out the plug from the breech and clean up bore and muzzle with alcohol.  Touch up blue on muzzle end if you have it.  Oil bore and rest of gun.  Wipe it clean.

Make sure you wrap the tape around the pilot opposite the teeth on the case trimmer so it doesn't unwind inside the bore when you twist against the muzzle while cutting.  Scotch tape worked better than masking.  Elec tape was too stretchy and not a consistent thickness.

Seemed easy, cheap and accurate if you relax and take your time.  I used a taped .243 pilot to do a .30 cal barrel.  It shoots fine.

The thread of the Lee trimmer is 10x24 I think.  You could use a long 10/24 machine screw, head removed, for a .22 barrel.  Tape shim around the bolt to fit, centered and no wobble as note above.

Maybe took half an hour, including finding all the stuff and putting it together.  I did use a padded vise.

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Re: Cutting Down a barrel?
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2011, 09:05:47 PM »
I read somewhere you could use a hose clamp as a guide for squaring it up and then a brass flathead carriage bolt and valve grinding compound to crown.

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Re: Cutting Down a barrel?
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2011, 10:15:38 PM »
i have cut several military barrels rifles off  with a hack saw then filed end of barrel square took sharp edge off didn't crown shot these guns for years didn't change accuracy at all.

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Re: Cutting Down a barrel?
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2011, 07:03:42 AM »
The venerated Win. 1885s had flat finished barrels, no recessed crown as we so often see, but lightly chamfered, and shot fine. That 'target recess' looks cool, and does provide some protection, but how many of us are banging the ends of our rifles around?
BTW, that process to DIY has much merit, if you want to go to that much work. Good description, thanx!
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Re: Cutting Down a barrel?
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2011, 07:29:33 AM »
Thanks for the tips guys. I'll get started on it quick as it gets here!! First try at something like this. Sure am thankful for this site and all the guys here willing to help!
Many thanks Tj

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Re: Cutting Down a barrel?
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2011, 08:44:26 AM »
RDLANG thanx for the tutorial it was very informative, lots of experience on this site , thats why I keep coming back
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Re: Cutting Down a barrel?
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2011, 01:08:26 PM »
i've cut & crown'd manya barrel... and handi barrels too.
file after for the "looks" appeal.
i kinda hang more into tha final crown for accuracy.
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