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Any Browning Challenger Shooters Around
« on: August 04, 2011, 01:57:46 AM »
I picked one up earlier this year but getting information on them is pretty tough...

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Re: Any Browning Challenger Shooters Around
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2011, 09:34:37 AM »
Had one I bought used in 1967. Didnt ever jam. Used every kind of long rifle ammo that was on sale. It loved remington golden boys though. Killed every thing you can think of . One deer a small doe back in 1969. Sold it in 2003 when I got my camper to get some new tires for front . Miss that pistol but i hadnt shot if in a few years. Mad that was a good pistol. Was the first handgun I ownred. You will love it.
 
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Re: Any Browning Challenger Shooters Around
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2011, 03:25:32 AM »
Good morning VIM.  What kind of info would you like?  I shoot and do some wrenching on them.  The old Brownings are fascinating for me so I'll take the opportunity to either bore you or raise your interest in them.  All three Medalist models have a dry-fire system activated by the safety lever.  All Belgian pistols except the Nomad have a great overtravel adjustment and a weight of pull adjustment.  All ribs are secured via a full length dovetail in the top of the barrel.  There's a small dowel pin under the front sight that locks them in place.
 
Original mags can be quite expensive.  I was lucky to buy two at $26 each several years ago, but have seen nice ones go for over $150 on auctions.  Until very recently, no aftermarket mags worked 100% - most would fail to hold the slide back after the last round.  On another board a shooter came up with a method of modding Colt mags that works OK.
 
Two of my Belgian pistols were giving me light hits.  Since everything else was in order, I replaced the mainsprings.  No problems since then.  I made the mainsprings from coil spring stock available from Brownells.  The mainsprings in these pistols are a coaxial setup - one inside another.  The coil stock pack had both sizes needed.
 
As much as I like the Buck Marks, the Challengers and Medalists are really a step up.  The Medalist / Challenger / Nomad pistols were made in Belguim.  Challenger II, Challenger III and Buck Mark are all US pistols.
 
There were three versions of the Medalist.  The one most people picture when the hear Medalist is this model.  To be accurate, that's correct because this model is the only "Medalist" without a further description in the name:
 

 
Next is the first model of the International Medalist.  Pretty much the same pistol, but with a shorter barrel, slightly smaller grip and no forearm.  It was reduced in size so it would qualify for international matches.
 

 
Then we have the second model International Medalist.  The rib was changed from vented to solid on this model.  Grips were changed to factory adjustable.  The barrel was made with slabbed sides, a rounded top and a flat bottom.  The flat bottom has a lengthwise dovetail for positioning a weight.  Finish is a bead-blasted black sort of bluing.  These are my favorites of the old Belguim pistols.
 

 
And they clean up nicely.  The one with the worst finish in the above pic was sent out for a hard chrome job.  I was tickled to death with the outcome.
 

 
Here's a Challenger.  The grips varied.  I believe they came as shown in the picture below, as well as the brown "tortoise shell" grips on the IM above, black and different shades of wood.  Browning called the plastic "Novadur".
 

 
A cheap (and abused) barrel was refinished and drilled and tapped for an optic mount.  The mount is one piece of a two-piece rifle base and is held by two blue-Loctited screws.  Works well even with a tube type dot.
 

 
Here's what was the budget model of the Belgian pistols.  The Nomad lacked the last shot hold open and adjustable trigger.  It is still built better than most currently manufactured pistols.
 

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Re: Any Browning Challenger Shooters Around
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2011, 04:43:14 PM »
Those Challengers are beautiful! On my budget I consider myself lucky to have a Nomad and a Buckmark. I put a scope on the Buckmark so I could see, wish I could find a scope mount for the Nomad. The Nomad feeds and fires everything I have put in it, even mags deliberately loaded with a mixed bag of ammo.
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Re: Any Browning Challenger Shooters Around
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2011, 02:20:25 AM »
Chim, looks like I come to the right place, thanks for the information and sharing your pictures! I need to get a second magazine first and if you have any sources I would be intereted as well on information on converting the Colt mags. I guess I was surprised by how little information is out there (at least what I have found) on the web. They are great little pistols and seem to be under appreciated...

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Re: Any Browning Challenger Shooters Around
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2011, 05:34:22 PM »
EDIT TO ADD 8/10/11:  Just realized I didn't give credit to M2HB over on RFC for coming up with the magazine mods.  Sorry about that.  I've learned a lot from him and a few others about these great old pistols.
 
There are a few members over on Rimfire Central who are really well informed on the old Brownings.  I modified a handful of the Colt mags, and they worked OK, but not as well as the originals.  It involved trimming the button down enough to clear the grip frame - but not so much it didn't work the slide lock lever.  I did a bit more trimming and smoothing on mine.  In the fist picture, the button on the top mag has been trimmed.  The bottom mag is unmodified.
 

 
 
Below, note the VERY slight radius on the back edge of the mag on the right about where the rim would be.

 
Below, the extra metal that hangs over the rear of the mag on the left was trimmed away except for the last 1/2" or so.
 

Here are three different original factory mags I found.  They all have steel bodies, but two followers and one button are plastic.
 

 
Here are two different mags that came with a pistol I bought online from a shop in Australia.  Little bit of red tape and about 8 weeks wait, but it was cheap.

 
Recently, more than one poster said the aftermarket mags worked well.  One previous complaint about the aftermarket mags was the last shot hold open.  They appear to have addressed that.