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32 H&R question
« on: June 27, 2011, 12:35:28 PM »
Hi All,

For 20 bucks I can buy a brand new 30-06 to 32 H&R mag chamber adapter.  The '06 is .308 bore and a 32 H&R Mag is .312 so the question is will I fill all the rifling on by '06 barrel with lead after a few shots or will I be driving the bullet out of the barrel with a dowel rod and mallet?   FWIW, the manufacturer of the chamber adapter says to only use high velocity 32 H&R Mag loads  which I find kinda funny cause there ain't no such thing as a high velocity 32 H&R load. ???  It also say you can shot 32 ACP and 32 S&W, even slower bullets so more chance for a squib?

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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2011, 12:58:37 PM »
BB,
  I have your solution! Shoot jacketed bullets and you won't need to worry about leading.  :D ;D

Don't forget that Ace sells dowel rods of all sizes. ;)


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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2011, 01:57:19 PM »
FWIW, I bought a steel .32acp/.308 adapter years ago (IIRC it was MCA Sports out of AK) to use on small stuff while deer hunting.  Tolerances were pretty loose.  I could not get a consistent point-of-impact.
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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2011, 03:21:49 PM »
Even at 20$ I doubt its worth the trouble....  Maybe if you epoxied it in...  ::) ??? :o ;)

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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2011, 05:06:55 PM »
Just trying to come up with a 25 yard plinker for my daughter.  She is very recoil sensitive and doesn't want to shoot subsonic 38s in my 357 maxi.  Only gun she will shoot is my Savage 17HMR, but I want to slowly bring her up to something larger.  Her favorite shooting is breaking clay pidgeons that are laying on a berm at 25 yards so we are talking about a gun that doesn't need to be real accurate.   Well I bought the adapter, so when it gets here I will buy a box of lead 32 H&R factory ammo and see what happens.  If it is too loose will probably try "o" rings instead of glue as I like my '06 shorty.

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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2011, 05:34:04 PM »
Quote from: bikerbeans on June 27, 2011, 05:06:55 PM
Just trying to come up with a 25 yard plinker for my daughter.  She is very recoil sensitive and doesn't want to shoot subsonic 38s in my 357 maxi.  Only gun she will shoot is my Savage 17HMR, but I want to slowly bring her up to something larger.  Her favorite shooting is breaking clay pigeons that are laying on a berm at 25 yards so we are talking about a gun that doesn't need to be real accurate.   Well I bought the adapter, so when it gets here I will buy a box of lead 32 H&R factory ammo and see what happens.  If it is too loose will probably try "o" rings instead of glue as I like my '06 shorty.

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How about Trail Boss and some 110 HP's in the maxi? Or even 88Gr 9mm bullets? Or a lead slug as light as available? That wont be loud, wont kick nearly at all and will allow full sized shells...
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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2011, 03:47:39 AM »
If your chamber is 'close' (nice & tight like a match chamber) and a good fit to the adapter you might be the lucky dog. If not, maybe use some elec. tape to build up the dia.? An O-ring would require a groove and there just might not be enough material to do it. Carefully glued on paper would increase the dia., too, after you find out how much difference in dia.s you need to fill, if at all.
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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2011, 04:00:08 AM »
32  or  subsonic 38......really not much difference

i don't see how a 32 acp  or the others will interchange

it would be simpler to just back off on the 38 load
or  just let her  grow  into  the 38

but  for  $20.......you will get more than that  out  of entertaining yourself

have  fun and let us know   how it works
i  used  my  222 to 22lr  quite  often  back when  i used  my 222......worked great up close
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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2011, 06:17:56 AM »
Quote from: 45-70.gov on June 28, 2011, 04:00:08 AM
but  for  $20.......you will get more than that  out  of entertaining yourself

have  fun and let us know   how it works

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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2011, 06:50:44 AM »
Quote from: 45-70.gov on June 28, 2011, 04:00:08 AM
32  or  subsonic 38......really not much difference

i don't see how a 32 acp  or the others will interchange

it would be simpler to just back off on the 38 load
or  just let her  grow  into  the 38

but  for  $20.......you will get more than that  out  of entertaining yourself

have  fun and let us know   how it works
i  used  my  222 to 22lr  quite  often  back when  i used  my 222......worked great up close
32ACP is .309 as a bullet and it has a semi rim that will work.  32 S&W, 32 Long, 32 H&R and the new 327 Ruger are all the same case just longer to hold more powder like 38 S&W, 38 Special, 357 mag and 357 Max.  I have read of some one shooting the semi rimmed 38 super in a 357 mag.  the 38 super is a .355 bullet (9mm) and the the 357 is, well, .357.
I agree that a 357 barrel and wad cutter 38's would be a good starting point.  Heck a 22 LR would be a better starting point and they make many 22 kid models.
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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2011, 08:53:23 AM »
ammoguide.com thinks the 32 ACP is a .312 bullet.

http://ammoguide.com/?catid=83

I am thinking if I reload for the 32 H&R Mag or 32 whatever I may try and load some of the jacketed 30 cal pistol bullets as they are only 3 to 4 thousands smaller in OD than the 32 cal pistol bullet.

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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2011, 08:59:59 AM »
If I were buying an adpt for a 30 cal. It would be for a 30 carbine round. Same bore size and around here less expensive . Some off brand ammo is less that 15 bucks for 50 rounds of FMJ. Yea its off shore stuff.
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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2011, 10:10:07 AM »
how  about reload with trail boss powder and some cast bullits

i guess  i should have sent this in a private message
so  you boss won't read this and say you don't NEED the new  toy

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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2011, 12:23:02 PM »
or a .311 roundball, at 45 grains in weight they don't kick at all, even with a healthy charge.
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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2011, 12:29:38 PM »
Quote from: bikerbeans on June 28, 2011, 08:53:23 AM
ammoguide.com thinks the 32 ACP is a .312 bullet.

http://ammoguide.com/?catid=83

I am thinking if I reload for the 32 H&R Mag or 32 whatever I may try and load some of the jacketed 30 cal pistol bullets as they are only 3 to 4 thousands smaller in OD than the 32 cal pistol bullet.

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Ctg's of the World has it as .309.
30 Mauser and 30 luger are .308 and 7.62X25 russian as .307.
There are a couple of whisper rounds that use the 30 Mauser, the 7.62X25 Russian, and the 30 Luger (9x19 necked to 30) and stick 308 caliber bullets in 125 to 180 grains for quiet medium to big game.  Douplication of those loads in your 30-06 may be what you're after.
See if they have a 30 Mauser or 7.62 X25 Tokorov adapter the bullet diameter may be more to your liking and easier to get.
I have seen some 30 Carbine adapters as well, that can be loaded down.
If my numbers everr match the states lottery numbers on the same day.  I am going to have Remington make H&R barrel blanks in various calibers for people to chamber them selves.  308 would be one of them. 
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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2011, 01:13:37 PM »
Hodgdon, Speer, Lee, Hornady all list the 32ACP bullet as .312", Lyman lists .309".

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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2011, 01:52:29 PM »
I have one of those adapters that gets used in my various 1903's, both Springfield and Rock Island.  .327  Federal cases won't chamber in mine, but I suppose a reamer would solve that problem.  The adapter does not seem loose in any of the chambers, but others seem to have had different experiences.

With .32 S&W cases, I use an 0 buckshot, lubed with Lee Liquid Alox, and an appropriate charge of Red Dot.  .32 S&W Long cases (Herter's) get a SAECO SWC sized .314 and again an appropriate charge of Red Dot.   The buckshot loads are good for empty soft drink cans to 15 yards or so, and the SWC's stretch that to 35 yards on my better days.  Primers are Winchester Small Pistol.  All the projectiles have made it out the bore so far, but I should mention that a patch wet with Marvel Mystery Oil is run through the bore before each shooting session.

My dies are very old C-H and don't size the cases small enough to use the more common .312 bullets, and don't work with the jacketed bullets I have tried at all.  I've tried the buckshot sized to .314 and unsized, about .320 but not really round, and they seem to work the same either way, so I just thumb press them into unsized cases, after priming and charging of course.
That makes for a quick and easy reload.

For me the adapter and .32 loads have been a hoot, sorry I didn't try this years ago. 

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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2011, 02:10:36 PM »
Urny,
  Given your post count, I thought a welcome was due. Welcome! It appears you've been lurking here since early 2008 though. Thanks for posting. Even though I'm not the OP, I have been following this post for more information myself.


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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2011, 02:40:55 PM »
Thanks Dinny.

I have been lurking for a long time, just never thought I had much to contribute.  Today two topics that seem to fit in with my limited experience merited ending my lurker status.

Hopefully my new posts won't seem too ill informed.
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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2011, 02:44:04 PM »
Quote from: Urny on June 28, 2011, 02:40:55 PM
Thanks Dinny.
Hopefully my new posts won't seem too ill informed.

Nope, not at all. :)


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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2011, 02:51:32 PM »
Urny, thats some good feedback from real experience, thanx!
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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2011, 03:00:15 PM »
My 32-20 contender barrel is a 308 dia, it shoots 312 and 308 jacketed bullets great, and sized 311 lead with no problems at all. I keep hoping that H&R will put out a 327, and a 308 bore would work just fine, as it does in the TC's, you can use a 75 gr cast and 1.5 gr of Bullseye in a 32 long, or about 1.2 gr and a round ball.
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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2011, 04:04:53 PM »
urny,

Thanks a bunch for your input.  Your load info is probably what will make my kid happy.  Of course what her dad will shoot with that adapter is a how 'nother animal. :o  I can't wait for the adapter to get her, but I will wait to see how it chambers before chasing after ammo, dies and reloading supplies.  Christmas in July. ;D

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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2011, 10:00:33 AM »
This is a very interesting and well timed thread! I have a used Handi in .30-30 on layaway and am just getting started in reloading .32 S&W / Long / Magnum, so I was looking at those chamber adapters as an option for quiet practice and small game. It looks like downloading .30-30 with Red Dot is pretty easy, but if this would work and I am already loading the various .32s, all the better!
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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2011, 10:39:36 AM »
If I had a 30 cal. H&R I would get one, even though Ive been downloading the 30s in other guns with pretty good plinkin' success. 'Inquiring minds' and all that......
Or is it 'great minds think alike'?
Anyway, a friend brought his 'new' Martini .310 Cadet over yesterday and we fire-formed some 32-20 brass, used an 8mm (sized .322)Nambu 101gr. pistol bullet over 4.0gr. of Trail Boss and shot down to 3" discs at 50yd. offhand with mil sights. Same thing could be done with a surplus 8mm Mauser barrel stubbed to a Handi and chambered/throated right. With this set up a guy could have a short, efficient case more like a smokeless 32-40 because you could shoot even heavier, most likely sub-sonic bullets.
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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2011, 10:16:23 PM »
I have one of Ace's Adapters in .32H&R Magnum to .30-30Win. , I shoot Hand loaded .32H&R 85 grain Hornady's thru it with no problems. I also load Lee 100grain Cast lead bullets and these also shoot well, sized as cast and lubed with Alox 50/50. I don't have any leading. Not sure of the powder charge of either loads right off hand, I'd have to look in the log book.
  I have used the adapter in both the Handy Rifle and also the Savage 24V.  "PJ"

PS: You guys might want to check out 'Sportsman's Guide", they have had chamber adapters in various sizes for sale lately. Last I looked they were around $14.00 plus $hipping..
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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2011, 06:03:19 AM »
The 30-06/32 chamber adapter arrived and it fit my 06' shorty w/o modification.  The adapter headspaced perfectly.  Went to the range this morning with a box of Federal 95 grain LSWC, 32 H&R Mags and setup a target @ 25 yards.  First round, missed a 8" paper plate, 2nd round way low and left 3rd round a little better.  It was at this point I remembered that I forget to clean the "throat" of the adapter.  Let the gun sit a few minutes than shot 6 rounds in quick succession for a 1.5" group @ 25 yards.  POI right on the bullseye w/o making scope adjustments.  I think the adapter will work fine for a backyard plinker.  The spent brass would fall out of the adapter and the ejector will launch the adapter if you are not careful.  These rounds says 1050 FPS on the box, for a revolver I believe, so probably a little faster out of my gun.  I need to have much slower handloads to get the noise level down.
 
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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2011, 09:49:16 AM »
Those bullets and about 1.4 gr of Bullseye in a 32 Long case.
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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2011, 01:05:03 PM »
A guy on another forum I visit bought a adapter for a 20ga. and when he turned it at all it would shoot to a different point so if you get it to shoot where you want it maybe mark it some how.
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Re: 32 H&R question
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2011, 01:41:00 PM »
I've found it's less work to just make light cast bullet loads for plinking.  I run a .32 round ball through a .309" sizer and get a small elliptical bullet for my efforts.  I shoot these with 4 grains of  Red Dot out of my various .30 cal rifles.  They go pop and shoot to the point of aim.  Don't even need ear plugs with these...

Tony
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