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760 carbine 308 vs 270 recoil ?? barrel length ??
« on: April 25, 2011, 04:59:23 AM »
wanting to get  my first 760 and can't make up my mind on what to buy.    I like the looks of the 18 1\2 inch barrel in 308, not sure if it would have much recoil with the short barrel .  I have shot a 760  270 and was fine with the recoil , I don't want another  30-06 ,    does anyone have reconmindations [ short barrel or long ?? ] on a good first pump gun for deer hunting .      thanks         FBC
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Re: 760 carbine 308 vs 270 recoil ?? barrel length ??
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2011, 05:10:20 AM »
Captain,

If you hunt where shots are less than 200 YDS the 18 1/2 inch barrel should be fine and it will have minimum impact on the recoil, though the muzzle blast may be louder.

My choices for hunting in the  mountains of NC and VA have been:

A 1903 Springfield Mannlicher in 30-06 with a 19 inch barrel.
A Iranian Mauser Mannlicher in 8x57 with an 18 inch barrel.

I personally like short barrels particularly when hunting from a tree stand where a longer barrel sometimes gets in the way of taking a shot.
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Re: 760 carbine 308 vs 270 recoil ?? barrel length ??
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2011, 07:37:27 AM »


I have had a Remington 760 in 270 Winchester for over fifty years and I have taken a lot of bucks with it, plus some varmints.  I have taken deer from ten yards to 400 yards with it.  It has a 22-inch barrel.

Early on I added a recoil pad.  It was a little rough shooting from the bench when wearing a T-shirt.  A flinch developed at the bench can carry over into the woods.

Most of my hunting has been in steep mountainous terrain covered with heavy vegetation.  Some of this has presented some tough shots.  One in particular comes to mind, I worked myself out to a rocky point choked with brush and had just enough room to stand on a rock, and watch a deer trail.  The trail was about 100 yards out across an arroyo and I could hear a deer coming down the trail before I spotted it.  I missed the first shot, quickly chamber a second round and put the bullet behind the shoulder.  I believe the configuration of the 760 made that happen.

Recoil between a 150-grain bullet in the 270 and the 308 are just about equal.
http://www.beartoothbullets.com/rescources/calculators/php/recoil.htm

There have been a few times that I have come close to buying a 760 with an 18-inch barrel chambered in 308 Winchester, 30-06 Springfield, or 270 Winchester.  I have only encountered one in 270 Winchester and it had seen a lot of use but that was not the stopping issue.  It was overpriced.  As I have aged the muzzle blast of a short barrel rifle is a concern.  I am setting here with a hearing aid in each ear. 

Years back there was a country store that I did business in.  He had a few rifles, one of which was a new Remington 742 carbine in 308 Winchester.  The owner and I discussed a price and we almost had a deal, but on close examination of the new rifle I found it had rust on it.  The owner still wanted a new price for a rusty rifle, so I passed.  I felt then and still do that a 308 carbine was idea for much of my hunting.

You can tell that my 760 has had a lot of time in the field, most of my deer seasons have lasted over thirty days, hunting different zones, and more than one state.  My longest take was in Colorado, and the 22-inch 760 was the right rifle for the occasion.
You can tell that I have carried my 760 a lot with most of the bluing gone from the magazine and action bar area from carrying it in the woods. 



Thanks to my dog and the 760 I took this buck at long range across a large arroyo.    My youngest brother and I were hunting in buck brush over our heads and when the dog jumped the buck we could not see him.  By sound we could hear them go to the bottom and start up the other side.  I hoped that the buck would enter one on the small openings a give me a shot.  It was a long shot the but the 130-grain bullet put the buck down count.  Just the sound of a round being chamber in the 760 use to get the dog excited and hopping into the air.  Man’s best friend.


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Re: 760 carbine 308 vs 270 recoil ?? barrel length ??
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2011, 08:47:50 AM »
Siskiyou, looks like you get your money's  worth out of your trucks and rifles.    I am wanting the short barrel 308 but know a guy with a 270 with a k-4 weaver for $ 400, rifle is real nice.  If I buy the 270 I will always wonder about the 308 carbine.      What to do, what to do    ????????               FBC
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Re: 760 carbine 308 vs 270 recoil ?? barrel length ??
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2011, 12:37:54 PM »

   I am a huge .308 fan, but I would not buy the carbine.  With an 18 inch barrel, there will be extreme muzzle blast.  Not so much the recoil, but the noise, the flash and the jump, all bad.  Before you do this, find a friend with a .308 in short barrel and give it a try.  The early Model 7 Remingtons had 18" barrels in .308, and there was so much complaint about them, that Remington increased the barrels to 20 inch.

 

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Re: 760 carbine 308 vs 270 recoil ?? barrel length ??
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2011, 12:41:27 PM »
Neither one of them have any recoil.  I'd get a .270.....
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Re: 760 carbine 308 vs 270 recoil ?? barrel length ??
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2011, 01:11:38 PM »
Apples to apples.
150 grain to 150 grain.
I think the 308 is going slightly slower and there fore will have the lower recoil.
In reality can you tell the diff in 100 FPS?
In the pump carbine I would go with the 308 and Remington 180 grain SOFT POINTS.  not the point soft points.
the big round nose of the core lokt bullets work wonders on deer.  Recoil is mild, ammo is cheaper, and that is one of the most popular loadings and most places carry it.
While I like 308 and don't like 270. Both my Uncles shoot it with the little 130 grain bullets and make a mess out of deer.
Now one shoots an 06 and the other has moved up to 150 grain bullets.
But enven then the two are pretty much shooting the same thing.  Both loads are 2900 FPS and 150 grain bullets.\One is .308 the other is .277.  Is there a big diff beteween the two? only if you think .031 is a large number.

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Re: 760 carbine 308 vs 270 recoil ?? barrel length ??
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2011, 01:38:55 PM »
trajectory is the diff....
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Re: 760 carbine 308 vs 270 recoil ?? barrel length ??
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2011, 01:52:11 PM »
trajectory is the diff....
Since gravity and speed are what determin trajectory for the most part.
100 FPS is not going to make a trajectory diff up to 200 yards.  Not more than the accuracy of the rifle.
gravity pulls so many inches per second.  The speed of the bullet and distance to the target are going to determin the effect of gravity.  I understand that bullet shape has something to do with retained velocity and how fast a bullet will shed energy in the air.  But with a pump gun and a short carbine length we are talking a woods deer rifle with 200 Yards or less shots.
If we are talking taking longer shots then I would say Bolt action as a platform.
But a trombone gun is fast for follow up shots on deer being driven through woods and swamps.

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Re: 760 carbine 308 vs 270 recoil ?? barrel length ??
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2011, 02:07:54 PM »
We have both types of hunting and the 760/7600 is as accurate as a boltgun.
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Re: 760 carbine 308 vs 270 recoil ?? barrel length ??
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2011, 04:41:21 PM »
I have a 7600 308 with the carbine lenght barrel. Muzzle blast is'nt an issue.

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Re: 760 carbine 308 vs 270 recoil ?? barrel length ??
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2011, 05:22:46 AM »

     So there you have it Ferryboat.   No consensus.  Opinions all over the place.

     So, either just buy the one you want.  Or, see if you can test fire similar guns before you buy.

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Re: 760 carbine 308 vs 270 recoil ?? barrel length ??
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2011, 12:51:45 PM »
                Flip a coin , they'll both get the job done ! Inexpensive .308 ammo is certainly easier to find than .270 !

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Re: 760 carbine 308 vs 270 recoil ?? barrel length ??
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2011, 04:13:47 AM »
Well I bought one of each with the 22 inch barrels and will try both out .  I still would like the short carbine 308 but maybe I can find a good deal on one later.   The 308 seems to always sell for more than 30-06  ???? I think a 760 in 243 would be a great rifle.                   FBC 
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Re: 760 carbine 308 vs 270 recoil ?? barrel length ??
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2011, 05:37:30 AM »
Recently the design of the Remington 760 may have saved my bacon.  I loaded five WW 150-grain Power Points for range testing.  I inspected and loaded five older cases.  During the inspection process I discard some cases.  The inspection process included running a bent paper clip inside the case wall checking for pending separation.  I have lighted magnifying glass on the bench and inspect the case externally.  I thought I had my bases covered.

The first two rounds were slightly to the left, and it took a minute find the third round.


The rifle is sighted in for the 150-grain .277 Hornady.

The answer for the low round came when I ejected the round and only got the case head.



There must have been some escaping gases, but I never notice them.  If this happen with my 700 most likely I would have gotten some in the face.

The portion of the case remaining in the chamber came out with a cleaning rod with a large patch on it.

The fault is on me, after discarding cases out of that lot, I should have discarded all them.  This is the first such event with the rifle in over fifty years.  The remaining two of five will be disassembled and inspected.

I think the M760 handled the gas great and if I had the need I would buy another one.

Good move on your part by buying two of them.  Enjoy :)
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Re: 760 carbine 308 vs 270 recoil ?? barrel length ??
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2011, 07:25:03 AM »
Siskiyou,

Case seperation is much more of a problem if the brass is full length resized with each reloading.   This reshapes the brass and causes repeated stretching length wise.  But you have to full length resize for pumps and autos.

This is why I don't reload for pump, levers or automatics.   I only reload for bolt actions or for my Ruger No. 1 while neck sizing only.   Each rifle has it's own ammo box to keep the cases separate to avoid mixing and the need to full length resize.

Bolt actions have more leverage/mechanical advantage to close the action on reloads. and work much better, with few to no  malfunctions using reloads.

Actually the Remington 700 handles gas very well due to the bolt nose enclosure in the barrel and the lack of an extractor cut in the recessed bolt face.

Back to the topic of this forum,  I just sighted in a .308 Winchester with a 19 inch barrel yesterday and found neither the kick or the muzzle blast to be an issue.   I wear ear muffs when shooting from the bench so I experienced no discomfort at all from the muzzle blast.   This was with a compressed load of H380 power with 130 grain Speer bullets
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