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Has anyone ever killed a grizzly bear with a handgun ?
« on: December 28, 2003, 01:23:58 AM »
I always read how some people carry a handgun a 44 for a backup or to hunt with a 44  hunting for Grizzly bear .Has anyone killed a grizzly with a 44 on this board  ?That seems like a mighty task .

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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2003, 04:13:11 AM »
No,
  But I stopped a rabid charging possum with a high standard .22 once!

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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2003, 05:41:11 PM »
I made a foul-mouth squirrel quit cussin' at me once. Ya know, a head shot with a .44 is a little bit different than a head shot with a .22. I mean, he's just as dead, but you can't use dental records to identify him any more.
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2003, 04:19:26 AM »
I beat one to death with a stick once.  :-D  :-D  :-D
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2003, 06:40:26 AM »
They've been killed with arrows.

They've been killed with muzzle loaders shooting 225 grain roundballs.

However, the people using those weapons had a larger incidence of the bear coming back to bite 'em.  It didn't happen all the time, but fairly frequently.

I recall reading that the standard advice for the early beaver trappers, who were armed with flintlocks, was to wait until you could stick the muzzle in their mouths.  Then light 'er off.  That was the best way of assuring a central nervous system hit under dire circumstances.

Of course, I think much of the problem back then was, the charging grizzly already had the ball in it's chest and the trapper was unloaded.  I guess they almost never passed up a shot on a grizzly.

The trappers also developed a reputation for partying and drinking like it was their last day on earth.

So, go ahead, hunt griz with a .44.  And when you're in town, drink like there's no tomorrow, for indeed there may not be.  :eek:
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2003, 06:54:51 AM »
Quote from: Graycg
No,
  But I stopped a rabid charging possum with a high standard .22 once!

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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2003, 12:30:19 PM »
SBF,
  I'm not kidding...even better, it was in broad daylight on a public street in the suburbs of Miami, 3 shots fired and no one even called the cops!

sorry about the keyboard!

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PS...IF someone is gonna deliberately go Grizz hunting with a 44 pistol, I strongly recommend that you file off the front sight...this way when the bear shoves it up your butt, it won't hurt so much. ( I know the original question wasn't about hunting, just killing if needed)
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2003, 09:53:56 PM »
Seems like I read that a woman dusted a brown/griz with a 44 after taking a defensive handgun class from Joe Nava in Fairbanks AK.  Anybody on here know Joe or how to locate him for verification?

I'm sure there are a few others.  I recall a guy saving himself with a 357 too but he got chewed a bit in the process - that one made the papers.  A long long time ago (30's or 40's?) a friend of my dad's dumped a brownie in SE AK with a 38 after his dog brought it back to camp - pure luck shot over the shoulder as he beat feet down the trail and found a tree to climb.
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2003, 03:49:01 AM »
Deliberately pursuing them and carrying a .44 for defense are two different things.

I would certainly carry a .44 in Grizz country.  Or, if I couldn't master the .44 I'd even carry something smaller.

I'd also want to make sure that I was in good physical condition.

The way a lot of old Mt. Men survived grizzly attacks was to put a fatal round into the bear, then use their feet and wits to buy time until it died.  

I'd feel a whole lot more at ease climbing a tree, if I knew I just put a .44 slug into the bear's heart.

People think you have to carry the Hammer of Thor in order to defend yourself.  But sometimes carrying just enough gun, and being fleet on your feet, and quick of mind works as well or better.
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2003, 05:49:14 AM »
Any bear out there slower than I am is doomed to starvation. Couldn't catch a road kill!
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2003, 07:31:25 AM »
One answer to the physical fitness issue is to always take someone slower than you are with you...then you don't have to outrun the bear, only the other person!  :wink:

  Fyi, when my dad was a young man he and his friend were rabbit hunting with 22s in upstate NY, they happened upon an unruly black bear, they tried to ignore the bear hoping it would go away, it didn't...the bear charged and got my dad's pal treed.  While the bear was messing with the fellow climbing the tree, my dad fired all five rounds from the bolt action winchester 22 into the head of the distracted bear.  Shots into the ear killed the bear.  Bear was only about 250 pounds, but was ill with some sort of fever...now the 22 killed the bear, but I wouldn't recommend it as  a bear hunting round.  He'd have been much happier with a 44 mag I'll bet.
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2003, 08:01:54 AM »
That is why I have a S&W500 MAG and a BFR in 500MAG.  The S&W 500 has a Leupold EER 2X20 for longer shots and the BFR I had cut down to 5 1/4 inches and four port Magnaporting by Magnaport. The BFR will always be a back up.
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2003, 11:48:50 AM »
Gee, I wonder if that's why I get invited on so many fishing trips up North. I am the slowest one . . .

The only problem is getting your gun out in time to use it, and then hitting a target coming over rough ground and through small trees, moving like a freight train. I think someone here on one of the forums said to practice by trying to hit a basketball bouncing at you at 35 miles an hour! Then there's the rush of getting surprised in your sleep while in your sleeping bag. My Anaconda always sleeps with me in the bag. But I know my greatest danger out in the woods is from 2 legged critters these days, not the 4.
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2003, 11:51:56 AM »
Black Jaque - I know for a fact that the 44 has successfully turned off an attack in the Wood River Lakes area north of Dillingham Alaska.  About 1996 the head of a University of Washington School of Fisheries program came into our Fish and Game office to report a wounded bear. I was there when he made the report. A student counting salmon along a stream had a brown bear attack at close quarters.  The student was carrying a 44 (Ruger BH I think) and shot the bear at very close range. The shot turned the bear which ended the attack and ran away.  The bear was never found but it took a while for the student to quit shaking.  Another student in the same area several days earlier had a brown bear sow rush her at close quarters.  The girl squirted the bear in the face with pepper spray at 3-6 feet - turning the attack. The girl reported she momentarily couldn't move her feet and was glad the spray worked.

Craig Medred of the Anchorage Daily news had a similar run-in with a brown bear sow on the Russian River - he was carrying a 454 Freedom - that her wrote up some time ago.  In his case the gun jammed after  (1,2??) shots and the bear slapped him around a little and I think left teeth marks on the gun. But then left.

The wound and retreat defense has no doubt worked a number of times.
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2003, 01:09:45 PM »
It's been said to carry pepper spray and wear little bells on yer clothing when in bear country. Incase of encounter use the pepper spray. The bells are too alert the bear to your presence, as not to walk up on them and startle them.
  It's also good to learn about what kind of bears are in your area. One way to do this is to look for signs, like bear droppings and learning the difference in one from another.  Black bear droppings will usually contain such things as berry seeds and mouse fur, while grizzly bear droppings usually smell like pepper spray and have little bells in them. :shock:
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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2003, 01:38:01 PM »
:-D I'm sorry 444encore, but I'm gonna have to use that line.  I laughed so hard my wife wanted to know what was going on. That's the best I've heard in a long time! :)
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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2003, 03:05:30 PM »
Amen 444, now I've gotta clean pepsi out of my keyboard.
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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2003, 05:43:07 PM »
I hope to in the not so far future be able to hunt Brown Bear and I plan on only using my Dan Wesson 445 supermag.  I think it will add to the challange.  I see that many of you guys say to handgun for big bears but maybe you are just talking for protection from them and not for a primary weapon.  

Now I just have to save up for that but I do have my wifes blessings on it. :grin: .   I know it will be a few years away but it gives me a chance to practice and maybe add a moose to the list while I am up there.  Should be fun with my Dan Wesson 445 supermag.  Maybe I will have to get it on video. Now that would be cool.

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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2003, 06:43:31 PM »
Yeah, it makes a big difference if you're hunting the bear, or if the bear is hunting you. :cb2:
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« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2003, 12:53:45 AM »
Also real good if you have someone with a 338 or a 45-70 to back you up when you are hunting!

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« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2003, 06:21:00 AM »
I've read several articles (back in the old days!) when Larry Kelly of Mag-na-port used to hunt Griz with a SBH stalker.  Actually, he hunted all kinds of game all over the world to promote handgun hunting and Mag-na-port.  This was back when, if you memtioned that you hunted with a handgun, people would look at you crazy.  There was a book out called Hunting with Handguns, by Larry Kelly and J.D. Jones with some great stories in it.  It's no longer in print, but great reading if you can get a copy.  You will especially like the story when a grizzly decides to enter the cabin where Larrry and his Guide are staying.  As I remember it took 17 shots (rifle and pistol, don't remember what rifle, but .44 mag pistol) to get the bear back out of the cabin.  Then he walked about 50 yards and died.  I believe I would rather have a .454 or .475.            44 Man
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« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2003, 07:05:13 AM »
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I've read several articles (back in the old days!) when Larry Kelly of Mag-na-port used to hunt Griz with a SBH stalker.  Actually, he hunted all kinds of game all over the world to promote handgun hunting and Mag-na-port.  This was back when, if you memtioned that you hunted with a handgun, people would look at you crazy.  There was a book out called Hunting with Handguns, by Larry Kelly and J.D. Jones with some great stories in it.  It's no longer in print, but great reading if you can get a copy.  You will especially like the story when a grizzly decides to enter the cabin where Larrry and his Guide are staying.  As I remember it took 17 shots (rifle and pistol, don't remember what rifle, but .44 mag pistol) to get the bear back out of the cabin.  Then he walked about 50 yards and died.  I believe I would rather have a .454 or .475.            44 Man


I read Larry's account of the bear and the cabin.  As I recall he had very good results on other bears using hard cast bullets out of his 44 Mag. The cabin bear was shot with jacketed hollow points.  Larry had high praise for the 44 Mag, but not when loaded with JHP's.
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« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2004, 03:01:50 PM »
I used a .375/284 XP-100 pistol...I ran out of rounds and finished him with my .454 Casull.
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« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2004, 03:34:13 PM »
Speaking of pi$$ed off bears...


Dear Dillon Precision,

My name is Rod Black. Last month I was fishing with my brother at Seneca Lake Arizona, on the San Carlos Indian Reservation. Just after midnight on the 16th of July, 2002, a bear wandered into my camp and attacked me while I slept. He clawed my head open, severing a small artery, and bit me on the back before throwing me off my cot onto the ground.

I found myself on the dirt, in the dark, with blood gushing and literally squirting from my wounds. I was in a state of absolute panic and horror. I had a Ruger Vaquero by my cot, but in the chaos and confusion I could locate neither the revolver nor my glasses, and could see or hear nothing. I was paralyzed by fear and terrified that the bear would come back from out of the darkness and resume his attack on me at any moment.   

After what seemed like an eternity, but was perhaps less than a minute, my brother could see the dark form of the bear moving and began to scream. I realized that we were going to die if I didn't come to my senses, and I fell to the ground and located my shooter in the dirt. I asked my brother to try to make it to the pickup and turn on the lights. (He could not find the flashlight, as the bear had knocked it on the ground before the attack.) Without my glasses and in such darkness, I was nearly blind.

After repeatedly asking my brother to go, he somehow made it to the truck and turned on the lights. (Later, I realized that by asking my brother to go into the dark to turn on the lights, I might have sent him to his death - that will haunt me forever.)

The lights came on and revealed my worst nightmare: Not three to four feet away and looking straight at me was the bear. The bogeyman. The thing that goes bump in the dark. This thing had come to kill me and eat my flesh that night... and I knew it.

When he turned for an instant to look at the light, I wiped the blood from my eyes and fired my first shot from the caliber .44-40 Vaquero. I was painfully aware that if my first round was not a good one, I may not have a chance for another. In all my life, I will never forget the sound of the blast or the acrid smell of the gunpowder. The bear was knocked from his feet and hit the ground hard. He thrashed about while I fired again and again - and cursed him while I did - until I was hammering on empty cartridges.

After it was over I was transported part-way down the mountain by off-duty police officer Goode, of the San Carlos Police Department, who had been camping near by and heard the screaming and shooting. I was flown the rest of the way by helicopter to a hospital in Globe.

I have written a letter to Ruger to thank them for making such a quality firearm. One that saved my life. But I realize that it would have been no good at all if the ammunition had not done its job. That is why I am writing this letter. Those .44-40 rounds had been loaded on a Dillon XL 650 that I had purchased a few months ago. I can tell you now that there is NO SUBSTITUTE for QUALITY.

So, if on some dark and bloody night you ever smell the breath of the bear, you will know that you cannot go back and undo what is done. If your life ever hangs by a thread...nothing is better than the best, I can assure you!

From the bottom of my heart I truly thank you folks at Dillon - all of you - for making nothing but the BEST.

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« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2004, 02:42:54 AM »
My .454 with 325gr. swift A-Frames.



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« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2004, 11:20:54 AM »
Hey VSSF,

Would you consider that a HOT load? :eek:

Heck, you wouldn't have needed the headlights that the other poor guy waited for. If the bear was close enough you could have just set him on fire!  :-D  :)  :-D

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« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2004, 02:56:59 PM »
It's not too hot pressure-wise,But it does burn things up.I have to put towels over my rest or else.

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« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2004, 05:41:30 AM »
The video is
"Jack Brittingham's Ultimate Hunting for Alaskan Big Game vol. II

it shows a guy stalk a brownie with a bow. When it notices his movement, it comes toward him. he put it down with a shot to the head with a 45 win mag in an LAR i think. A quick follow-up shot insures his saftey. Supposed to be one of the largest brown bears taken with a handgun. This was his backup gun, too.
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« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2004, 06:03:04 AM »
No, I have not killed a grizzly with a handgun. I think that the only thing a handgun would be good for is if a grizzly attacked you it would come in handy to shoot yourself with to put yourelf out of the misery of being the bears dinner. :D
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« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2004, 10:23:28 PM »
I haven't yet, but it's my dream hunt. Prob'ly use my SW500 and/or Encore .444 or 454. Know of any good guides?
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