Author Topic: Michiganers Alert...GOP Bolsheviks use 'Shock Doctrine' to seize total power.. (Read 4085 times)

TM7 · « **on:** March 12, 2011, 07:37:16 AM »

GOP-Bolsheviks on move seize more power/control from the People ...this time in Michigan seizing power over all local government using 'shock doctrine' of fisical issues to take economic, social, and political power from The People and their elected representatives.

Not since 1930 with Stalin's soviet councils have we seen such movements as Gov Synder's and Walker's...

Michigan Republicans create "financial martial law"; appointees to replace elected local officials.....

Cory Doctorow at 4:47 AM Friday, Mar 11, 2011

Republican Michigan governor Rick Snyder, along with the state's Republican house and senate, have passed a controversial bill that allows the governor to dissolve the elected governments of Michigan's towns and cities, replacing them with unaccountable "emergency financial managers" who can eliminate services, merge or eliminate school boards, and lay off or renegotiate unionized public employees without recourse. Republican senator Jack Brandenburg -- who supported the measure -- calls it "financial martial law."

While local governments are subject to electoral recall by residents, the "managers" the governor appoints will answer only to the state legislature. There are no limits to the salary "managers" may draw (an amendment that would have limited their compensation to $159,000, which is the governor's own salary, was defeated).

"Managers" will be able to govern as they see fit. Practically speaking, this opens the door to the kind of "governance" we've seen in occupied Iraq, where high-paid appointees who don't answer to the governed get to award no-bid contracts to their pals, with little or no oversight or control.

Michiganers best look into this alert or your State Republic may dissolve before your eyes while at the same time taxes are further shifted to workers and the aged...

fyi....TM7
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Cabin4 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 12, 2011, 08:59:06 AM »

You mean someone is finally going to try and address waist, fraud and abuse of the tax payers money. Further, it appears that someone is going to address the corruption that the liberal socialist democrat party has implemented all over that state.

Is this the state that has General Motors HQ? The same one that got stolen bail out money from the tax payers given to them by the democrats?

mauser98us · « **Reply #2 on:** March 12, 2011, 09:22:24 AM »

Really? Funny when it is done by Democrats, ala Obama care, it's wonderful,the birds sing and it will not rain on picnics anymore. You Dems got to get real. We just can't afford the excesses of public unions any more. When the recepients of this largesse get more than the people paying for it, something is wrong. Plus they arn't accountable for anything,they can't get fired. C'mon it's time to join the real world. I'm a member of IBEW,and I tell you if i can't or will not do the job in a timely manner, I'm down the road. But this is not a public sector union.

eye shot · « **Reply #3 on:** March 12, 2011, 01:10:43 PM »

Ya same as obama has done with his zars that aren't accountable to congress witch is the people. Now the shoe is on the other foot so cry baby cry!

Cabin4 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 12, 2011, 01:42:16 PM »

The Liberals, Socialists, Communists and Nazi's are out and now the Tea Party, GOP and Conservatives are in office and I don't like it!!

squirrellluck · « **Reply #5 on:** March 12, 2011, 03:47:54 PM »

Guys I don't care if it is dems or repubs. The idea that a government can make nul and void the will of the people (as in who they choose to run their city) concerns me. If the feds did this we would be up in arms about it. Why is it different when it is a state government? Cabin you always site the constitution where does that fit into the constitution? I think a move of this magnitude should be taken to the people directly as in the polls in my opinion.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 12, 2011, 03:57:40 PM »

Good question:
Section 10 of the Federal Constitution - Powers prohibited of States

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

So it looks like the Federal constitution would not "prohibit" this act. Now we would have to look at the state constituion of Michigan to see if this violates the state constitution.

squirrellluck · « **Reply #7 on:** March 12, 2011, 04:23:15 PM »

I agree with you on the state constitution but it just worries me when anyone starts gnawing at the will of the people. I know the state legislature was elected but I think a step like this should be brought directly to the people. I felt the same way about obamacare. With the tech we have now it is not too difficult to do. Somethings are, imho better decided by the people not politicians. But what do I know?

eye shot · « **Reply #8 on:** March 12, 2011, 04:29:46 PM »

Some states have the right to take over city gov. that is going into bankruptcy and the same for schools.

mauser98us · « **Reply #9 on:** March 13, 2011, 05:07:10 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on March 13, 2011, 04:14:38 AM

Quote from: squirrellluck on March 12, 2011, 04:23:15 PM
I agree with you on the state constitution but it just worries me when anyone starts gnawing at the will of the people. I know the state legislature was elected but I think a step like this should be brought directly to the people. I felt the same way about obamacare. With the tech we have now it is not too difficult to do. Somethings are, imho better decided by the people not politicians. But what do I know?
How about Obama and the demos usurping the peoples will on Gov't healthcare? Over 60% of the US populace does not want it.
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Synder and his party are acting contrary to basic principals of Jeffersonian Democracy...anti-constitutional in principle, and usurping The People's will. GOPers castigated/villified the runoff Dems in Wisconsin who attempted to put the brakes on runaway Boshevism....but when one of their own acts in contempt of the People and illegally..its suddenly OK...

If you're a Michiganer I'd watch the Snyder politic bureau and other aftershock diktats....

...TM7
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Cabin4 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 13, 2011, 05:17:11 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on March 13, 2011, 04:14:38 AM

Quote from: squirrellluck on March 12, 2011, 04:23:15 PM
I agree with you on the state constitution but it just worries me when anyone starts gnawing at the will of the people. I know the state legislature was elected but I think a step like this should be brought directly to the people. I felt the same way about obamacare. With the tech we have now it is not too difficult to do. Somethings are, imho better decided by the people not politicians. But what do I know?
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Synder and his party are acting contrary to basic principals of Jeffersonian Democracy...anti-constitutional in principle, and usurping The People's will. GOPers castigated/villified the runoff Dems in Wisconsin who attempted to put the brakes on runaway Boshevism....but when one of their own acts in contempt of the People and illegally..its suddenly OK...

If you're a Michiganer I'd watch the Snyder politic bureau and other aftershock diktats....

...TM7
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Interesting how you feel so strong about this happening within the confins of an individual state. But when it comes to an even worse and a real violation of states rights with our federal constitution, your just fine with it. Who the real Bolsheviks?

squirrellluck · « **Reply #11 on:** March 13, 2011, 04:30:40 PM »

Mauser, if you read my post you quoted you would see I do not agree with obamacare. My post keeps getting dragged around I don't know who ya'll are talking too. So, for the record I don't like anybody monkeying with the will of the people. Don't care what they got in front of or behind their name. P.S. I am among the 60% that don't like obamacare.

Gary G · « **Reply #12 on:** March 13, 2011, 04:59:21 PM »

The will of the people gets monkeyed with all the time. We have become a regulated democracy where every facet of life is controlled by the oligarch.

Perhaps someday we could add an amendment borrowed from the Swiss where the people by petition could call a referendum to vote and make void laws passed by congress or presidential regulators. Then we could keep our lightbulbs, end all "to big to fail" bailouts, and stuff Obamacare in his face.

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Republican Michigan governor Rick Snyder, along with the state's Republican house and senate, have passed a controversial bill that allows the governor to dissolve the elected governments of Michigan's towns and cities, replacing them with unaccountable "emergency financial managers" who can eliminate services, merge or eliminate school boards, and lay off or renegotiate unionized public employees without recourse. Republican senator Jack Brandenburg -- who supported the measure -- calls it "financial martial law."

Hum, they must be running out of other peoples money.

squirrellluck · « **Reply #13 on:** March 13, 2011, 05:21:32 PM »

Gary, I like the way you think

mauser98us · « **Reply #14 on:** March 13, 2011, 05:45:57 PM »

Quote from: squirrellluck on March 13, 2011, 04:30:40 PM

Mauser, if you read my post you quoted you would see I do not agree with obamacare. My post keeps getting dragged around I don't know who ya'll are talking too. So, for the record I don't like anybody monkeying with the will of the people. Don't care what they got in front of or behind their name. P.S. I am among the 60% that don't like obamacare.

That was my mistake. I got carried away not paying attention to the poster. Sorry

jimster · « **Reply #15 on:** March 14, 2011, 02:36:13 PM »

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Hum, they must be running out of other peoples money.

LOL! Ya, we are all out. Over the past years our state has been run by democrats, they are in every nook and cranny, 1/3 of Detroit is gone, and it's the Muslim capital I guess too. Many cities are in debt much farther than other cities around the nation, The people voted Synder to shake it all up and do whatever he had to do to, remove the old way/and people, in whatever way he could, and we all figured it was better than using firearms to kick them all out.

Which "some" would say is not in the constitution either.

You know, some time back GB had a good post about what he would do if he were president, one of the things is, suspend congress, and just change it all back to the way it was intended, and later on when all the crap was kicked out, reinstate congress again and start over. Good post, and it pointed out after things get so bad, you take drastic measures to fix it I guess.

To fix our problems now, as bad as they are, you basically have to just take over to stop them from spending anything, gotta "ground em" all like little kids, give them the boot. The little kids all ready broke the state, and they won't stop spending.

I don't pay much attention to people who disregarded the constitution to get to this point when it comes to REMOVING them any way we can.

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Republican Michigan governor Rick Snyder, along with the state's Republican house and senate, have passed a controversial bill that allows the governor to dissolve the elected governments of Michigan's towns and cities, replacing them with unaccountable "emergency financial managers" who can eliminate services,

Michigan's towns and cities have been unaccountable already, they were broke and up to their ears in debt and still spending money.
And here is a clue...everything he does will be "controversial"....for a real long time, because he is taking action. The people that suck on tax money have been screaming bloody murder here...just put your ear plugs in.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 14, 2011, 03:52:24 PM »

Quote from: jimster on March 14, 2011, 02:36:13 PM

..just put your ear plugs in.

The state union worker parisite tax money blood suckers that hate with a passion the rest of the people in Wisconsion will make alot of noise.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #17 on:** March 14, 2011, 04:30:59 PM »

Quote from: TM7 on March 12, 2011, 07:37:16 AM

GOP-Bolsheviks on move seize more power/control from the People ...this time in Michigan seizing power over all local government using 'shock doctrine' of fisical issues to take economic, social, and political power from The People and their elected representatives.

Not since 1930 with Stalin's soviet councils have we seen such movements as Gov Synder's and Walker's...

Michigan Republicans create "financial martial law"; appointees to replace elected local officials.....

Cory Doctorow at 4:47 AM Friday, Mar 11, 2011

Republican Michigan governor Rick Snyder, along with the state's Republican house and senate, have passed a controversial bill that allows the governor to dissolve the elected governments of Michigan's towns and cities, replacing them with unaccountable "emergency financial managers" who can eliminate services, merge or eliminate school boards, and lay off or renegotiate unionized public employees without recourse. Republican senator Jack Brandenburg -- who supported the measure -- calls it "financial martial law."

While local governments are subject to electoral recall by residents, the "managers" the governor appoints will answer only to the state legislature. There are no limits to the salary "managers" may draw (an amendment that would have limited their compensation to $159,000, which is the governor's own salary, was defeated).

"Managers" will be able to govern as they see fit. Practically speaking, this opens the door to the kind of "governance" we've seen in occupied Iraq, where high-paid appointees who don't answer to the governed get to award no-bid contracts to their pals, with little or no oversight or control.

Michiganers best look into this alert or your State Republic may dissolve before your eyes while at the same time taxes are further shifted to workers and the aged...

fyi....TM7.

Thanks for letting me know that... I think i'll send Snyder a "thankyou" note! FINALLY, someone is trying to do something to stop the bleeding!

DM

Casull · « **Reply #18 on:** March 15, 2011, 04:00:15 PM »

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GOPers castigated/villified the runoff Dems in Wisconsin who attempted to put the brakes on runaway Boshevism

TM, since when is it "Boshevism"(sic) to take a vote? I guess you looked up a new word this week and intend to use it, whether it fits or not.

carbineman · « **Reply #19 on:** March 15, 2011, 05:08:25 PM »

I would think that Governor Walker and Snyder both deserve awards for valor.

And just think TM7 the Rent-A-Mob can now head to Michigan and get some work there also. Pretty soon they can form their own union and demand better busses and top notch cigarettes along with better booze.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 15, 2011, 05:56:28 PM »

Quote from: carbineman on March 15, 2011, 05:08:25 PM

I would think that Governor Walker and Snyder both deserve awards for valor.

And just think TM7 the Rent-A-Mob can now head to Michigan and get some work there also. Pretty soon they can form their own union and demand better busses and top notch cigarettes along with better booze.

Someone should provide showers and soap for these filthy parasites.

LunaticFringeInc · « **Reply #21 on:** March 15, 2011, 10:54:59 PM »

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Synder and his party are acting contrary to basic principals of Jeffersonian Democracy...anti-constitutional in principle, and usurping The People's will.

Upsurping the will of the people? Were Snyder and Walker not elected into office or did I miss something? What would you suggest state officals do when city leaders mismanage a cities finances to the point they have to file for bankruptcy, let them continue on unabated and not held accountable? I guess maybe they could talk to Obama and get some of "his stash" and bail them out like the nations tax payers did for GM, Chrysler, Fanny Mae, Feddy Mac and wallstreet...I mean whats a little more debt when your trillions in the red already, right?

ironglow · « **Reply #22 on:** March 16, 2011, 02:46:14 AM »

This move IS for the people, even though on the surface it appears otherwise.. Jimster gave you an account of how Detroit has gotten into trouble with shoddy fiscal handling. Detroit is not an island, it can bring all of Michigan to its knees, so the gov has a responsibility to all the people of Michigan. Now, I don't live in a city or "metropolitan area" and would never choose to do so, but the nearest city of any size in my end of the state is Buffalo.
Like many places, the majority Buffalo citizens always vote "one-way"...to their own detriment. As businesses left and welfare cases increased, sensible elections became more and more remote. Believe me, they would not only vote for a "yellow dog" but wouldn't care if that dog could do basic math..so long as he/she was in the correct "party".
A few years ago, Buffalo and all Erie county were on the brink of catastrophy..driven there in a large part, by public unions demands being satisfied. The politicians, having been put in place by the unions' massive campaign assistance, gave them whatever they wanted...and the bulk of the voters who being on welfare and not paying taxes..didn't care.
The state govt, forseeing imminent failure, decided to institute a "control board", since the politicians had completely lost control of their own spending..and such could cause state bankruptcy. (remember. NY is a blue/blue state..)
The control board is overseen by the elected reps of the state (senate and legislature), plus the public, especially those who had little voice previously; such as landlords, business, taxpayers and entrepreneurs..had a chance to contribute to the discussion.
Take a look.. http://www.ecfsa.state.ny.us/

The control board has proven itself over the years by stopping foolish spending of funds they don't have.. and bringing more light than heat to discussions. Someday, if Buffalo wakes up and elects leadership for their abilities & qualities, rather than their party affiliation...perhaps they can take control of their own destiny again.

ironglow · « **Reply #23 on:** March 16, 2011, 03:03:57 AM »

TM;
You are really destroying what credibility you still retain, by referring to Republicans as "Bolsheviks"..

Now, I am disgusted with the old party hack type Republicans for sure, and favor the Tea Party way above the machine works of both the old parties, but to call Republicans Bolsheviks is positively ludicrous !
Which party has pushed socialized medicine..in fact socialized everything and wants to micro-manage every facet of our lives from their "central planning" machine ?.
Who is trying to tell us what kind of car to drive, what kind of house to live in and even what we should eat for breakfast, lunch and dinner ? What party is trying to tell us what words and thoughts we can have..by pushing their "political correctness" agenda. They even insert themselves so far into our lives that they insist we follow their pattern of what kind of sins or perversions are acceptable...e.g. "homosexualism & drug use ..OK... Rednecks and Christianity..worthy of derision".
No, it's the obamanites who are the "control freaks"..just like communist governments everywhere !

BTW: Here's a short video of an Obama rally on election eve 2008... just for your enlightenment..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEtLFJjFQCA&playnext=1&list=PL9F9F91CD2D928AA0

...And just in case you have forgotten; here's a photo from Obama's Houston campaign headquarters:

jimster · « **Reply #24 on:** March 16, 2011, 05:02:35 AM »

Oh gosh, it won't be all that bad, we just want to kick to the curb all the people who have turned our state into what California has. We will do it any way we can, same as the people who got us in this position has been doing all these years.

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Tom Jefferson must be turning over in his grave.

He has been turning over in his grave for many years already watching what these people have been doing here. I don't think Jefferson liked democracy so much...

“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”

“If once the people become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress and Assemblies, Judges and Governors, shall all become wolves. It seems to be the law of our general nature, in spite of individual exceptions.”

“Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government) those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny”

“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”

So....looking at the last quote above....I guess we are in the democracy "cease to exist" mode...
Which is fine by me...at this point anyway.

magooch · « **Reply #25 on:** March 16, 2011, 05:47:13 AM »

Someone should ask the citizens of Bell, California if they would like to have their old city government back.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 16, 2011, 06:26:48 AM »

Lying, cheating, corruption, pay offs, bribes, scare tactics galore, taking over our lives, pitting one group against each other, raping the tax payers, forcing illegal laws upon the people. Massive constitutional violations. Liberals & Democrats.

As bad as the GOP Bolsheviks are, I'll take them over the Democrate Communists any day.

Casull · « **Reply #27 on:** March 16, 2011, 06:33:55 AM »

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As bad as the GOP Bolsheviks are, I'll take them over the Democrate Communists any day.

+1

And to those spouting that "lesser evil" BS, I say go ahead and assure the greater evil and see where that gets you.

Gary G · « **Reply #28 on:** March 16, 2011, 06:55:49 AM »

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And to those spouting that "lesser evil" BS, I say go ahead and assure the greater evil and see where that gets you.

Not to insures that we go in the same direction that we have been going for the last twenty years. (ruination)

Casull · « **Reply #29 on:** March 16, 2011, 06:58:42 AM »

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Not to insures that we go in the same direction that we have been going for the last twenty years. (ruination)

And doing so just gets us there much faster.