E.R. shaw custom rifle

[huntwithme2]

does anyone have one of these rifles made and if so how good is it. i was thinking of having one made in left handed 257 weatherby.  the weatherby is  $1,700 and the shaw is $740 plus shipping.
both left handed, same barrel length and about the same weight.
 from what i read they are verry good and verry accurate.

[drdougrx]

I suspect they are a good deal for the money.  I have a 243 that shaw rebarreled and trued the action for and it's a heck of a shooter.  Though I suspect it isn't allot better than a remingtom 700 or a tikka and no where near as good as a sakoA7 because of weight and adj. trigger.  Then again...it is left handed and I'm not sure that you can get the other mentioned for southpaws.

[jmayton]

Well this got me interested in the ER Shaw.  I know they make barrel kits for Savages and it looks like they've taken that to the next level.  I built up a .260 matte blued 24" straight fluted varmint contour in a nutmeg stock and they quoted me $875 + shipping and transfers.  I can get a Savage 10 Predator in same configuration with an accustock for about $700.  So if I was getting a popular caliber, I might look elswhere. . .but if I wanted something different, like a 20 Vartag, 6.5-06, or a 7mm Rem BR, and didn't want to spend $$$$ on a full custom rifle, I'd buy an Shaw in a heartbeat.  I think they'll do well with this semi-custom-built-to-order-at-a-reasonable-price thing they have going. . . especially if they start offering more stock choices.

[OK hunter]

I saw and handled my first ER Shaw at the Tulsa Gun Show.  I was impressed.  Left Hand 350 Rem Mag, laminate stock and fluted barrel.  It was a really nice looking package.  I expect I will order one later this year.  The wait is pretty long but that's about as quick as I will be able to get to it.

[yooperamoungtrolls]

I was turned on to the ER Shaws by a fellow from another forum.  Im right now seriouslly considering the following, .257Roberts in a polished moly action mated to a 22" in brrl in the Walnut stock. Im a lefty so thats a given and only adds $30.00 bucks. The BOB is not found in any prodcution left hand bolt as far as I know and the Shaw Rifles are a bit under Savage's own custom shop. All in all for around $800.00 thats a great deal for a semi custom rifle. Like others have said the 16 month lead time is a bummer, but its just as good if not a better time frame than any other custom shop.  Id like to get the order in soon with the hopes of having it ready to go by next deer season.

[Sourdough]

About 20 years ago I wanted to build a specialty gun for carrying down on the coast of Alaska.  No scope to fog, I wanted peep sites.  Fiberglass stock, and a short barrel to get through the brush well, and Parkerized.  I sent my Mauser action to Shaw, I had seen their advertisement in Shotgun News.  I told them I wanted a .35 Whelen with an 18" barrel.  The finished product was just what I wanted.  I have shot it now off and on for 20 years and really like the gun.  Granted it's not a long range shooter, but out to 250 yards, it's great.  Without a scope I can't see farther than that. 

Only one problem.  My son took it to the range one day about five years ago, and let his mother shoot it.  It now has a youth stock on it, and resides in her gun vault.  She won't let me have it back.

[yooperamoungtrolls]

Think you could convince her to pull it out so you could get a few pics of it?? Tell you dont want to touch it just look at it...LOL It really sounds like a go to rifle for its purpose.

[Freezer]

Ya gota love a woman with good taste and who knows waht she wants Besides you now have a good excuse to buy another rifle and add any improvements you want A win win situation.

[Swampman]

The E.R. Shaw is an expensive Savage.

[yooperamoungtrolls]

Dude, just get lost...you add NOTHING to a conversation and derail every thread you stick your nose into. This is the Custom Rifle board not the "Wal-Mart Remington" board.

[Swampman]

14 post and already a moderator.....impressive

Why are you moving off topic?  The E.R. Shaw rifle is just an expensive Savage.  Why use a budget rifle as the basis for a "Custom Rifle".  Rebarreling a rifle doesn't make it a custom rifle, anyone can do that in their garage.

[yooperamoungtrolls]

Thousands of custom rifles have been bulit on Springfield, Eddystone, and Mauser actions, and used by many smiths on a budget for custom builds. When rebarreling to a chambering unavalable in most factory models, I think it does make it a custom rifle. Shaw has many options avalable that may not be avalable though Savage(i.e barrel lenghth, contor, and stock choices) and often times at a better price than any major manufactures custom shop. Its a Savage action but thats it. Its no diffrent than a rifle bulit on a Remington action that has features not avalable through Remington = custom rifle.

Oh and by the way I REALLLY got sick of all the stuff  you instigate over on the Campfire. All the threads that get derailed because you pop off with some comment that either contradicts a previous comment you made or when asked to provide sources for your information bawk, really gets old in a hurry. Dont get me wrong you take alot of grief but you deserve a large part of it. Thats why I came over here. You have said both here and on the other site, that you do not like the off brands and stick to only Remingtons. Do you have any experince with Shaw rifles or barrels? do you have anything to add other that a vauge comment such as you just posted??? If not then just let it be and find a thread that you can discuss inteligently.

Thank you... 

[Swampman]

If I wanted to buy a Savage, I'd go to Walmart or get one off the used gun rack for $200.00.  The rebarrel is a piece o cake.

The E.R. Shaw is pretty expensive for a semi-mass produced rifle.  It isn't worth what they are asking.

[yooperamoungtrolls]

Again adds nothing to the topic...

[Swampman]

If folks want to waste their money that's up to them.  I simply pointed out that the E.R. Shaw is overpriced, and that it isn't a custom rifle.

Still looking for that "Moderater" under your Avatar.

[yooperamoungtrolls]

are you able to define custom rifle?

[bobg]

  I noticed the same thing yooperamoungtrolls. There they tell him to go back to GBO. I have a Savage that will probably out shoot almost any Remington.

[parkergunshop]

Actually the Savage with a E. R. Shaw barrel qualifies as a custom rifle.   And my experience with over a dozen Shaw barrels in calibers from .257 to .458 Winchester Magnum is that the average group size for all calibers is between .5-.6 tenth of an inch for 3 shots at 100 yards in a properly bedded stock.

And yes I have a Savage 110 with a Shaw heavy sporter barrel in .308 Norma mag in a laminated glass bedded stock that groups consitently in the .4 tenths of an inch range at 100 Yards.   A .338 Winchester Magnum on an Enfield action that groups in the .3 tenths range for 3 shots at 100 yards.  A .375 H&H that groups in the .6 tenths range  and a .458 Winchester Magnum that groups right at 3/4 inch for 3 shots at 100 yards all with Shaw barrels.    And all of them fit the category of custom rifle.

See the following quote:

Well, before I attempt to answer that reasonable question, it is first necessary to define just what a custom rifle is and, by inference, is not. Most dictionaries will define "custom made" as being made to individual specifications or some variation of that statement. Following that definition, a custom rifle is one made to an individual's order in fit, finish and function. Any caliber for which a reamer is available or, in some cases, for which any cartridge (custom reamers can also be made) can be ordered. The only restrictions placed on the buyer are basically determined by time and money.



Custom rifles run the gamut from a barreled action--sometimes a custom barrel, sometimes not; action sometimes "blueprinted," sometimes not; bedded into a commercially available synthetic or laminate stock and sent out the door--to a full-blown custom job. The full-blown job includes reworking the action, fitting a custom barrel, utilizing hours of highly skilled labor making absolutely certain that the resulting action feeds cartridges from the magazine with all the effort of cutting butter with a hot knife, then whittling a lovely stock from a stick of customer-selected walnut. The customer decides what checkering pattern he wants on the stock and how many lines per inch. On the metalwork, the customer decides if he wants a matte finish or high-gloss, hot-bath blue or slow rust blueing, open sights or scope only. The list goes on and on.

http://www.rifleshootermag.com/featured_rifles/custom_110207/index.html

It seems that custom is largely in the eye of the beholder or owner, from cheap and simple to extragavant, complex and expensive and anywhere in between.

[Swampman]

Custom equals one of a kind.  Anything else is semi-mass produced.

[yooperamoungtrolls]

Unique, I belive is the word your looking for if you are refering to one of a kind. Custom refers to made to order as Parkergunshop just posted and quoted from rifleshooter magazine. A source that I believe you quote from time to time. 


And by the way, thank you parkergunshop for bringing this tread back to the OPs intent of experience with Shaw rifles and barrles.

[roper]

I've never had a gunsmith put on a shaw barrel on any of my actions and I sure don't think they make what call a custom rifle. 

I was reading what parkergunshop comments about what a custom rifle is and I guess he really doesn't understand what he is quoting " Well, before I attempt to answer that reasonable question, it is first necessary to define just what a custom rifle is and, by inference, is not. Most dictionaries will define "custom made" as being made to individual specifications or some variation of that statement. Following that definition, a custom rifle is one made to an individual's order in fit, finish and function. Any caliber for which a reamer is available or, in some cases, for which any cartridge (custom reamers can also be made) can be ordered. The only restrictions placed on the buyer are basically determined by time and money"

I agree with everything in the above quote problem with Shaw is they don't give you alot of options as to barrel twist,rifling,bore/groove dia etc.  If you order a rifle or barrel what options do they give besides a 1/9.5 twist in 7mm or 1/10 or 1/12 for 30 cal.  Myself I like the 1/10 or 1/11.25 in 30 cal  and since I'm build a custom I like to have rifle special throat for the bullets I want to use.

I'm sure Shaw make a good barrel and rifle for the money and thats what you really have to look.

[parkergunshop]

Roper,

Ok, are these custom rifles by your definition?

Springfield 1903 High Number Action made in 1918, Remington 1903/A3 barrel made in January, 1944 shortened to 22 inches with a deep recessed crown, Parker modified adjustable trigger at 2 1/2 pound pull that breaks like glass, Bell and Carson Stock glas bedded, Redfield base, parkerized finish all per the customers specifications.

1938 Oberendorf Mauser Action, E. R. Shaw 19" inch barrel in .308 Winchester, Hogue Stock glas bedded,  Huber trigger, 2 lb pull,  Leupold one piece base, parkerized finish  as ordered by the customer.

Remington 1914 Enfield Action, E. R. Shaw .338 Winchester Magnum barrel, Redfield one piece scope base, straightened bolt handle, shortened bolt stop, ears removed, Dayton-Traister trigger 2 1/2 pound pull, Cock on opening,  MPI Synthetic stock glas bedded, parkerized finish.

These are by my definition one of a kind custom rifles.

And I consider these to be a custom rifles:

1903 Springfield made in 1932,  barrel shortened to 19 inches, Walnut Mannlicher stock, full length glas bedded, Redfield one piece base, Low scope bolt handle, Timney Trigger.

Iranian Mauser Action, barrel shortened to 18 inches, Walnut Mannlicher stock, full length glas bedded, Leupold one piece base, butter knife bolt handle, Dayton-Traister trigger.

New after market barrels and custom throats are not needed to make custom rifles is the point.

I have built what I consider custom rifles using Savage 110 and Reminton 700 factory new barreled actions based on the customer order using various stock types all glas bedded that shot in the 1/2 range for 3 shots at 100 yards when completed.

[Swampman]

Call it what you will it's just an expensive Savage.  The Shaw barrel isn't any better than a Savage factory barrel.  You can buy a good rifle for 1/2 what they cost.

[parkergunshop]

Posted by: Swampman
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Call it what you will it's just an expensive Savage.  The Shaw barrel isn't any better than a Savage factory barrel.  You can buy a good rifle for 1/2 what they cost.

Swampman,

Actually some of the factory barrels are made by Shaw.    At one time they made the barrels for the Ruger model 77.

And I can agree that most factory barrels today are better than those made 50 years ago.   Most factory rifles suffer from a poor trigger pull, and ill fitting stocks, Glas bedding the stock and getting a clean 3 pound trigger pull will turn most of them into 1/2 to 1 inch rifles at 100 yards.

I took a Savage 110  7 Mag with the factory sporter weight barrel glas bedded in a Bishop laminated maple/walnut stock with the trigger modified to a 2 1/2 pound pull to a sporting rifle match in the 1970's.   Arrived late and was the last competitor to shoot.   As I went out the the bench with my 7 Mag, I could hear the factory Winchester, Remington .243 and 6 M/M shooters, some of them  with heavy varmint barrels poking fun at me and my 7 Mag.

When I turned my target in the fun poking stopped I won the match with a .4 tenths of an inch group.

This rifle today now sports a Shaw .308 Norma Mag heavy sporter barrel and shoots .3-4 tenths of an inch groups.  Not much difference but I didn't want a factory 300 Winchester magnum.

[roper]

Roper,

Ok, are these custom rifles by your definition?

Springfield 1903 High Number Action made in 1918, Remington 1903/A3 barrel made in January, 1944 shortened to 22 inches with a deep recessed crown, Parker modified adjustable trigger at 2 1/2 pound pull that breaks like glass, Bell and Carson Stock glas bedded, Redfield base, parkerized finish all per the customers specifications.

1938 Oberendorf Mauser Action, E. R. Shaw 19" inch barrel in .308 Winchester, Hogue Stock glas bedded,  Huber trigger, 2 lb pull,  Leupold one piece base, parkerized finish  as ordered by the customer.

Remington 1914 Enfield Action, E. R. Shaw .338 Winchester Magnum barrel, Redfield one piece scope base, straightened bolt handle, shortened bolt stop, ears removed, Dayton-Traister trigger 2 1/2 pound pull, Cock on opening,  MPI Synthetic stock glas bedded, parkerized finish.

These are by my definition one of a kind custom rifles.

And I consider these to be a custom rifles:

1903 Springfield made in 1932,  barrel shortened to 19 inches, Walnut Mannlicher stock, full length glas bedded, Redfield one piece base, Low scope bolt handle, Timney Trigger.

Iranian Mauser Action, barrel shortened to 18 inches, Walnut Mannlicher stock, full length glas bedded, Leupold one piece base, butter knife bolt handle, Dayton-Traister trigger.

New after market barrels and custom throats are not needed to make custom rifles is the point.

I have built what I consider custom rifles using Savage 110 and Reminton 700 factory new barreled actions based on the customer order using various stock types all glas bedded that shot in the 1/2 range for 3 shots at 100 yards when completed.

Again if you consider that Shaw limits your barrel selection to what they want to sell you and you have to agree to what they sell  I guess if you what to call that custom so be it.  Maybe you don't consider special throat that a customer request import on building  a custom and since your building for customers how about giving us your business web site.

[roper]

Roper,

Ok, are these custom rifles by your definition?

Springfield 1903 High Number Action made in 1918, Remington 1903/A3 barrel made in January, 1944 shortened to 22 inches with a deep recessed crown, Parker modified adjustable trigger at 2 1/2 pound pull that breaks like glass, Bell and Carson Stock glas bedded, Redfield base, parkerized finish all per the customers specifications.

1938 Oberendorf Mauser Action, E. R. Shaw 19" inch barrel in .308 Winchester, Hogue Stock glas bedded,  Huber trigger, 2 lb pull,  Leupold one piece base, parkerized finish  as ordered by the customer.

Remington 1914 Enfield Action, E. R. Shaw .338 Winchester Magnum barrel, Redfield one piece scope base, straightened bolt handle, shortened bolt stop, ears removed, Dayton-Traister trigger 2 1/2 pound pull, Cock on opening,  MPI Synthetic stock glas bedded, parkerized finish.

These are by my definition one of a kind custom rifles.

And I consider these to be a custom rifles:

1903 Springfield made in 1932,  barrel shortened to 19 inches, Walnut Mannlicher stock, full length glas bedded, Redfield one piece base, Low scope bolt handle, Timney Trigger.

Iranian Mauser Action, barrel shortened to 18 inches, Walnut Mannlicher stock, full length glas bedded, Leupold one piece base, butter knife bolt handle, Dayton-Traister trigger.

New after market barrels and custom throats are not needed to make custom rifles is the point.

I have built what I consider custom rifles using Savage 110 and Reminton 700 factory new barreled actions based on the customer order using various stock types all glas bedded that shot in the 1/2 range for 3 shots at 100 yards when completed.

So let me understand this you are a gunsmith and you do work for customers who order custom rifles from you  and the only barrels you use is Shaw?  So you are a dealer for Shaw? 

[parkergunshop]

Roper,

Douglas, Hart, Shaw, Shilen.

Best value for the money, Shaw.

[Swampman]

Best value for the money is a factory barrel.  Most of them will shoot with the most expensive custom barrel.

[inthebeech]

He isn't going away.  You realize this don't you?  Taking the high road is the best thing to do. 

[yooperamoungtrolls]

It is a shame...