Author Topic: concealed carry NOW IS THE TIME (Read 2851 times)

myronman3 · « **on:** February 21, 2011, 01:27:40 PM »

with the absence of the democrats in madison, and their fondness for playing games, now is the time to vote on concealed carry in wisconsin. they can pass any law with a majority; anything and everything outside of budget issues. this is a key time to bring it to vote.

ihookem · « **Reply #1 on:** February 21, 2011, 05:09:54 PM »

I've been wondering what the heck they have been waiting for. Concealed carry and open carry, no restrictions unless a felon or mentally ill .

carbineman · « **Reply #2 on:** February 25, 2011, 04:29:53 PM »

Vermont style no permit carry!

Cabin4 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 25, 2011, 05:39:52 PM »

Your going to need your carry permit in Wisconsin because the teachers and state union workers are out for blood.

carbineman · « **Reply #4 on:** February 26, 2011, 03:32:59 PM »

Quote from: myronman3 on February 21, 2011, 01:27:40 PM

with the absence of the democrats in madison, and their fondness for playing games, now is the time to vote on concealed carry in wisconsin. they can pass any law with a majority; anything and everything outside of budget issues. this is a key time to bring it to vote.

myronman, good idea, took your idea to a post here;
http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,228735.0.html

ihookem · « **Reply #5 on:** February 27, 2011, 01:24:33 PM »

I can tell ya if I was a republican in the house or senate I'd think long and hard about packing a handgun. Did you see those rabid dems screaming at the republicans? They have a screw loose!

1sourdough · « **Reply #6 on:** May 07, 2011, 03:53:56 AM »

It's heating up. Most of the discussion is between 'constitutional carry' & regular CCW permits. Yes I support constitutional carry but I really have my doubts if WI can manage that right now(even accounting for the republican majorities). After lagging without for so many years even a reasonable training/permit system will be a breath of much needed fresh air. For me it's mostly about north woods outdoors carry & out of state travel.

We may be one of the last for CCW but plenty of other states have much more restrictive & screwed up gun laws
than WI. Just look to MA,NY, CA, & others, then some have 'shall issue' CC permits. I don't even like the MI handgun purchase laws or 'registration'.

I'll take a nice clean bill, giving up nothing in return. It's a good time to email your assemblyman/woman.

ihookem · « **Reply #7 on:** May 07, 2011, 01:21:51 PM »

The police chief in Mil. wants it to be a felony if ya get caught carrying with out a permit. I cal bs , cause when a real felony gets caught nothing happens too him anyway. Why such a big deal now? They are already getting their jerk hands into it.

379 Peterbilt · « **Reply #8 on:** May 07, 2011, 05:58:43 PM »

The chief of police of milwaukee has an opinion of CCW, that I value about as much as I value the opinion of a ghetto welfare crack Ho with 6 kids with 6 fathers.

I want constitutional carry.

ihookem · « **Reply #9 on:** May 08, 2011, 11:53:24 AM »

Dont be too surprised Peterbuilt. He is from Boston. I hope the republicans tell him to mind his own SShit hole and leave the rest of Wisconsin alone.

ihookem · « **Reply #10 on:** May 12, 2011, 04:58:47 PM »

The democrat Milwaukee sheriff ( a totally great guy) endorsed the concealed carry law. The brain dead Tom Bearat said it was unsafe!!! I got news for him, it's already unsafe! Three different versions on the table.

jcn59 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 16, 2011, 05:20:10 PM »

So, what IS the status of concealed carry in Wisconsin as of today, 5/16/11? Anyone?

379 Peterbilt · « **Reply #12 on:** May 17, 2011, 04:16:50 AM »

I have been researching to find the latest, but am finding mostly blogs and opinions from CCW supporters as well as the emotionaly insecure anti CCW libtards. Not much as for factual happenings on the 2 bills that are on the table (constitutional carry & "permit" CCW)

The backroom dealings just dont make it to the internet. However I did find this (borderline opinion/report)

http://www.ammoland.com/2011/05/12/guess-who-is-blocking-constitutional-carry-in-wisconsin/

Wisconsin --(Ammoland.com)- We have it on good authority from our sources inside the capital that deals are being brokered to sell out your gun rights.

Politicians you may have thought were your friends are scheming to harpoon Constitutional Concealed Carry, and who is behind the latest sneak attack will surprise you.

You see they are trying to kill Constitutional Carry because they are afraid of more protests (they say).

That’s right. Republican leadership is willing to sell out your liberty because they do not want the big government liberals to be angry.

It’s gotten so bad from what we are being told that everyone in leadership wants to sit on their hands and do as little as possible … they simply want to look toward their own reelection rather than do what WE elected them to do.

I hope that makes you as angry as it does me.

And the truth is, the group these RINOS need to be fearful of at the voting booth are gun owners who are being betrayed by them right now as they fail to fight for Constitutional Concealed Carry.

Together, we elected these republicans and, now when it’s time to do the job we elected them to do, they turn tail and run.

They are selling out our liberty and brokering back room deals.

If you value this info, please support WGO

Our message needs to be simply this: we elected you and we will fire you if you do not stand up for liberty as you promised you would.

So who are those in leadership we have been told are scheming to kill Constitutional Carry?

Scott Walker and Jeff Fitzgerald.

You read that right: Governor Scott Walker and Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald are, according to a VERY reliable source, trying to sell out your rights because they want to appease big government liberals so that you have to beg for permission from government to carry your firearm.

Politicians love to turn your rights into privileges that they can control (and turn into a new gun tax for fresh revenue).

Our inside source is telling us that Jeff Fitzgerald is going to see to it that a Constitutional Carry bill will never make it out of any committee in the Assembly.

Fitzgerald thinks he can just toss your rights aside and you will not pay enough attention to even notice.

Our insider is also telling us that Scott Walker is working to kill Constitutional Carry in the senate … BY USING GUN CONTROL AGAINST US.

If this information is accurate, and we believe it is very credible, Gov. Scott Walker wants to attach the most outrageous big government anti-gun piece of legislation – the micro-stamping ammo bill - to the Constitutional Carry bill in the senate so that it will die there … so gun owners won’t be able to support Constitutional Carry without supporting the micro-stamping bill.

If true, this is pure evil.

This insane micro-stamping bill would require every gun to stamp every cartridge that is ejected so that big government can track every piece of ammo that you ever shoot.

That does not sound too Constitutional to me.

Are Jeff Fitzgerald and Scott Walker selling out your rights to anti-gun big government liberals?

Do Jeff Fitzgerald and Scott Walker think that you will just go home if they can kill our Constitutional Carry bill?

We have news for them, pass the Constitutional Carry bill or we will fire you in 2012.

Hopefully Scott Walker and Jeff Fitzgerald will prove us wrong on this and stand up for the rights and liberty of all the citizens of Wisconsin but we can not leave that to chance.

ACTION: We need you to call Scott Walker and Jeff Fitzgerald right now and tell them what you think of them trying you sell out your rights.

Demand that they bring Constitutional Carry to a vote in the assembly right now with no big government anti-gun garbage attached.

Tell Scott Walker and Jeff Fitzgerald that Wisconsin Gun Owners has informed you of how they are trying to destroy Constitutional Carry, and that they will lose your support in the next election if they trample your gun rights.

We can not take this lying down. We can not let republican leadership destroy our right to Constitutional Carry.

There is so much misinformation being spewed forth from the institutional gun lobby it is hard to even begin interpreting all of it.

But this much is clear: The permit-to-carry bill (SB90) is not being proposed as an OPTION for reciprocity.

If passed, it will kill Constitutional Carry (and then state politicians will expect you to go away and leave them alone).

Now is the time to pass Constitutional Carry, SB93, if ever there was a time. We must stop Scott Walker and Jeff Fitzgerald from ruining this chance.

Please call and email them both right now before it is to late.

Assembly Speaker Rep. Jeff Fitzgerald (R-39)
608-266-2540
Rep.Fitzgerald@legis.wisconsin.gov

Governor Scott Walker (R)
608-266-1212
govgeneral@wisconsin.gov

In Liberty;

Corey Graff
Executive Director
P.S. Sources deep inside the capital say Scott Walker and Jeff Fitzgerald are trying to block Constitutional Carry by using an anti-gun microstamping bill as leverage against us. Call and email them right now and tell them to introduce Constitutional Carry in the assembly and bring it to a vote. Call Scott Walker & Jeff Fitzgerald right now and ask them whose side they are on.

About:
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379 Peterbilt · « **Reply #13 on:** May 17, 2011, 04:23:05 AM »

History of Assembly Bill 221
ASSEMBLY BILL 221
An Act to create 175.36 and 941.285 of the statutes; relating to:
creating a microstamping requirement for certain handguns, certification
of compliance with the microstamping requirement, requiring the exercise
of rule-making authority, and providing penalties. (FE)
2009
04-17. A. Introduced by Representatives Young, Berceau, Turner,
Richards, Grigsby, A. Williams, Colon, Kessler, Sinicki
and Pasch; cosponsored by Senators Coggs and Taylor.
04-17. A. Read first time and referred to committee on Criminal
Justice ................................................ 133
04-30. A. Fiscal estimate received.
05-05. A. Fiscal estimate received.
05-19. A. Fiscal estimate received.
05-28. A. Public hearing held.
06-05. A. Fiscal estimate received.
12-02. A. Senator Taylor withdrawn as a cosponsor .................. 534
2010
04-28. A. Failed to pass pursuant to Senate Joint Resolution 1
........................................................ 970

http://wisconsingunowners.org/bill-watch/

http://legis.wisconsin.gov/2009/data/AB221hst.html

1sourdough · « **Reply #14 on:** May 18, 2011, 01:22:34 AM »

I can't imagine any 'micro-stamping' requirement tacked on to a CC bill? That should(would) have the NRA up in arms more than anything. I don't look at it as 'constitutional carry' or nothing. That's something that can be worked on down the road. We won't get a better time than now to pass this. Surely we're not anywhere near the point of 'not good enough & we'll see you at the 2012 elections'.

crash87 · « **Reply #15 on:** May 21, 2011, 06:44:40 PM »

Quote from: ihookem on February 27, 2011, 01:24:33 PM

I can tell ya if I was a republican in the house or senate I'd think long and hard about packing a handgun. Did you see those rabid dems screaming at the republicans? They have a screw loose!

Did you see all the support given to those same republicans, Of course not, WHY, Because the Criminal Liberal Adgenda Driven Mass [lack of] news media, didnt, want you to see it.
Crash87

ihookem · « **Reply #16 on:** May 25, 2011, 02:48:28 PM »

Looks good today if some ahole judge puts a stay on it. I think the bill that lets you carry without a permit is the one that passed one of the house today. It will be a beautiful day when I can carry a gun when I go through Milwaukee . My safety must mean something to the new guys in Madison.

JeffG · « **Reply #17 on:** June 07, 2011, 07:43:14 PM »

I wonder how much the training course for CCW permits will cost at the Tech. Will the credits count toward your Associate Degree?

1sourdough · « **Reply #18 on:** June 09, 2011, 02:53:52 AM »

A guy put an outline of the latest CCW bill that is supposidly rising to the top right now(on lake-link). Anyway it shows a permit system with training requirements and plenty of opportunities to 'clep' through. I just think it's time to pass it before the recall elections later this Summer, never know how they will turn out.

myronman3 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 09, 2011, 01:14:30 PM »

yes, they need to get this rammed through. if they dont, i will be voting for different people.

379 Peterbilt · « **Reply #20 on:** June 10, 2011, 06:24:41 AM »

MADISON — Anyone looking to carry a concealed gun in Wisconsin would need a license and have to prove they could handle a firearm under revisions made Thursday to a plan to lift the state's ban on hidden weapons.

The Legislature's budget committee approved changes sought by Gov. Scott Walker after Republicans in the Senate and Assembly approved less restrictive plans. None of the committee's Democrats supported the bill, saying it was ill conceived and confusing.

Under the bill, applicants would have to pay the state Department of Justice as much as $37 plus another $13 for a background check to obtain a permit. They also would have to provide proof of firearms training, such as completing a safety course or participating in a shooting contest.

The Assembly's bill required permits and no training. A competing Senate bill imposed no prerequisites, a nod to gun advocates who believe the U.S. Constitution grants them the right to bear arms without restrictions.

Walker resolved the dispute last week when he said any concealed carry bill should require permits and training. The Republican-controlled Joint Finance Committee added those provisions to the Senate bill on a 15-1 vote and passed the measure as amended 12-4, clearing the way for a full vote in either the Assembly or Senate.

Under the revamped bill, licenses would be valid for five years and the Justice Department would keep a database of permit holders. Police would be able to access the database only to verify a license is valid, to check if someone claiming to hold a license indeed has one or if a person lied to obtain a license.

Approval likely will prompt police to be more suspicious of people, Green Bay Chief Jim Arts told the city's Police and Fire Commission Tuesday. He said police are most concerned that the change in the law will increase the number of gun thefts, prompting an increase of the number of guns that land in the hands of criminals.

People generally would be allowed to carry concealed anywhere except in police stations, prisons, jails, state mental hospitals, courthouses or buildings with signs banning concealed weapons. Business owners also could post signs banning weapons

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110610/GPG0101/106100529/Revisions-Wisconsin-s-concealed-carry-bill-include-license-firearms-training?odyssey=nav%7Chead

jcn59 · « **Reply #21 on:** June 11, 2011, 04:46:04 PM »

I have a Minnesota permit that I will renew when it comes due providing WI has reciprosity. It will be nice to be able to use that Minnesota permit here in Wisconsin where I've lived for the past 65 years. I think next election I'll vote out most of the incumbents. Congressmen are like fish....they start to smell after a couple days.

buck460XVR · « **Reply #22 on:** June 16, 2011, 05:08:25 PM »

Here is a reply from Senator Vinehout after I emailed her about the PPA.

Quote

Hello,

Thank you for contacting me with your support for a Wisconsin Personal Protection Act. I am writing to provide an update on the progress of the bill.

Last night the Senate acted on this bill making Wisconsin one step closer to being the 49th state to adopt conceal and carry legislation. I joined many of my colleagues of both political parties to support the bill.

The bill is a compromise among many who have worked on the bill – some for many years. There were many efforts to amend the bill. One amendment was adopted in the Senate, sponsored by Senator Wanggaard. The amendment made a slight change to the acceptable types of training (taking out the option of participating in a shooting event).

Please find attached a memo from the non-partisan Legislative Council that reviews the components of the bill. Please contact me if you have additional questions.

Thank you for your continued advocacy to support the Second Amendment. Do feel free to contact me if other issues of concern should arise.

Sincerely,

Kathleen

jcn59 · « **Reply #23 on:** June 16, 2011, 05:50:22 PM »

This is the response I received from Janet Bewely (D) from the 74th.

Jim,

Thank you for contacting me to express your views. I apologize for not getting back to you sooner. I have been trying to sort through the different versions of concealed carry legislation that are being debated here at the Capitol.

I am hearing from people in the district who tell me that they support “constitutional carry”, others who support “constitutional carry” but want the bill to include a permit requirement and some sort of training requirement. Other people have told me they support “concealed carry” without restrictions and still others who say they support “concealed carry” but want to make sure that private businesses and organizations like churches and hospitals have the right to restrict concealed weapons in their facilities.

The Senate passed an amended version of AB 93 earlier today. I haven't had a chance to read the amendments carefully (I am about to go to the floor of the Assembly to debate the 2011-2012 State Budget) but I expect that I will vote for that version when it comes over to the Assembly. I have been saying for some time that I will vote for a reasonable bill that includes some sort of permit and training.

Please do not hesitate to contact me if I can be of further assistance with this or any other state issue.

Sincerely,

Janet

GRIMJIM · « **Reply #24 on:** June 17, 2011, 11:14:38 AM »

Congrats to you in cheeseland. Apparently we are the only state in the country that cannot be trusted to defend ourselves.

379 Peterbilt · « **Reply #25 on:** June 18, 2011, 03:55:28 AM »

Hopefully in the coming elections, you guys can bring in some (R)s to clean up the mess that democaps leave behind, just like here in Wis, and the rest of the country.

ihookem · « **Reply #26 on:** June 19, 2011, 03:36:10 AM »

Does anyone know what you need to do to qualify for the permit. I wish there was not a permit but I will take what I can get and think we did good. Also, all eight women voted in favor of the bill.

Doug B. · « **Reply #27 on:** June 19, 2011, 04:22:26 AM »

Quote from: ihookem on June 19, 2011, 03:36:10 AM

Does anyone know what you need to do to qualify for the permit. I wish there was not a permit but I will take what I can get and think we did good. Also, all eight women voted in favor of the bill.

According to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinal, residents who have not been charged with a felony or otherwise are prohibited from carrying a firearm are eligible. To get a permit, people would have to offer proof they have passed a Wisconsin certified course on firearms training, firearms safety or hunters safety. This would also include those who are serving, or have served in the military as well as current and retired law enforcement officers. I'm not sure how those who have completed NRA certified training might qualify, or if they will. These are the only requirements/stipulations that I am aware of at this time.

Glad to see us this close to SB/AB 93 passing. I foresee possible stumbling blocks. My concern is that they likely have not "looked forward" enough as far as a seamless implementation for those that apply. Have they decided which enforcement agency(s) will oversee this or issue the permits? I am hoping there won't be too much of a lag on the continued political agenda so that we aren't looking eight months down the road before permits are actually in the hands of those who qualify/deserve it. I have heard that the State Patrol could be involved?

One more thing.........let's remember this has to pass the assembly yet, and then on to Walker to sign it. We're not out of the woods yet!

Cheesehead · « **Reply #28 on:** June 19, 2011, 12:30:49 PM »

It should pass the Assembly.

I have a new Glock 36 picked out!

myronman3 · « **Reply #29 on:** June 19, 2011, 06:19:54 PM »

i am not counting on anything until it happens...and even then, i fully expect some dip$#!* judge to rule against it.