The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.

[ironglow]

  Jesus rewrote the OT ?  Really TM, you must be become informed:
   

Matthew 5:17-19 (King James Version)
    "17) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

 18) For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

 19) Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."


 
     As far as the Isaac vs Ishmael thing... you have to do a bit of "brushing up" there also...and don't be so caught up in blind denial..
   
     In Genesis 17, GOD makes it clear that Isaac is the rightful heir to Abraham..
   
   ...And SCRIPTURES reinforce this fact on into redundancy....Deut9:4-6, 9:26-28,13:20,29:13 and 34:4..Joshua 24:3, 1 Kings 18:36, 2 Kings13:23, 1 Chron 16:16, & 29:18

      Remember; the origional Ishmael was dead, buried and forgotten by 1 Chronicles..
 
  Then to the New Testament, where the BIBLE insists;
   Matthew, chapter 1   ..is all about the earthy line of Jesus having come through Abraham, Isaac & Jacob..right on down to Bethlehem... and this, while Ishmael's descendants were wandering around in the deserts of the ME, fighting with everyone they could find...even their own kinsman.
   
   Besides the numerous citings of Isaac in the New Testament;
 
  JESUS Himself assures us that the land & promise was given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob... in (Matt 8:11), (Mark 12:26) and (Luke 13:27-29).

   Now TM; that leaves you with a quandary..Whom do you say is not telling the truth..GOD, SCRIPTURE, the BIBLE or JESUS ?
   
     Let us know your answer.
                               .....Until then, consider yourself...busted !

[powderman]

Does this make Ishmael a lesser "son" than Isaac because Isaac's mother was Abraham's wife while Hagar was not? 




Easy answer. yes, it does. the out of wedlock ishmael was Saras idea, not Gods. You can twist and turn scripture all ya want but it won't change the fact that Isaac was Gods chosen one that he would make his everlasting covenant with, not the beginning of the godless ones ishmael. You just can't stand it that God has blessed his chosen Israel can you?? You and the obamination rebuke away, Gods will be done. POWDERMAN. 
 



tm. Easy answer, yes, it does.

[ironglow]

  TM;
      You seem filled with baseless accusations in this statement by you;
   "
Fortunately, there is enough information remaining in the Bible to decipher this grand illusion. And Christ straightened this whole mess out clearly....essentially anulling the deceptions/racism in the Old covenant...in his case New knowledge is infinitely more valuable than Old knowledge....zionist and Christian Zionist insist on continuly re-crucifying Christ and nailing him to a tree of israel....false doctrine and occult stuff.  In this way they perpetuate war and make enemies for the practice of the only race doctrine.....which is NWO or whatever you want to call it....capable of doing just about anything to fellow man."

   Now TM;
   in order that we can have a reasonably good discussion, I shall present a doctrinal statement which I picked from the web and agree very closely with and am confident many here have little to quibble with (but they can speak for themselves), so I am "Placing my cards on the table", so to speak.
  http://www.1stcalvary.com/doctrine.html    Please note; It is a rather Biblical & orthodox Christian view..
  In order to dispel suspicions that you may be simply a provocateur or operating from some cultic expression, I challenge you to "put your cards on the table" also.  In other words, just "man up" !

[ironglow]

It is not baseless, it is fact...it is my observation and based on actual writings and agendi of the main players,,,,and The Logos. In my opinion,,,you have a problem,,,,valuing old knowledge over New knowledge,,,and basing your eschatogy on some wrong untested Biblical assumptions.....which I tried to point out

Your thesis is based on unfounded zionist branded interpretations which became popularized just before the turn of beginning of the 20th century, and not the norm....not wholely Christian intepretations. And this is one underlying cause for the perpetual war you're involved.

..TM7
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  Come on TM...Give us your doctrinal statement .. or we are forced to consider you as just another cultist.. here's your chance to "man up "...arte you able ?

[powderman]

,,,,valuing old knowledge over New knowledge,,,and basing your eschatogy on some wrong untested Biblical assumptions.....which I tried to point out





HEH. Untested Biblical assumptions? Once again you have furnished me with a big laugh. Pathetic. There seems to be nothing you won't say or do to pollute the truth. You are a riot. POWDERMAN. 

[beerbelly]

 The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.

Even the worst of the worst will do something right every now and then!

[ironglow]

It is not baseless, it is fact...it is my observation and based on actual writings and agendi of the main players,,,,and The Logos. In my opinion,,,you have a problem,,,,valuing old knowledge over New knowledge,,,and basing your eschatogy on some wrong untested Biblical assumptions.....which I tried to point out

Your thesis is based on unfounded zionist branded interpretations which became popularized just before the turn of beginning of the 20th century, and not the norm....not wholely Christian intepretations. And this is one underlying cause for the perpetual war you're involved.

..TM7
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  Come on TM...Give us your doctrinal statement .. or we are forced to consider you as just another cultist.. here's your chance to "man up "...arte you able ?

From your 1stcalvary link:

Our Mission Statement

The mission of First Calvary Baptist Church is to glorify God by striving to produce loving, serving disciples of Jesus Christ.

(Romans 15:5-6; Matthew 5:16; Psalm 86:12; Matthew 28:19-20)

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Our Vision Statement

Every member of First Calvary Baptist Church should identify his or her specific role in the fulfillment of the mission, praying and planning toward the future while working and relying in the present.
 


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So how did you become a Christian Zionist...? This link doesn't mention Christian Zionism,,,?? Does this Church hinge their eschatology entirely on Gen 19 (or is that just you and the mega churces and star preachers)..?? .... which of course in that welcome greeting  warns Isaacians to always heed the word of God..i.e. the  Covenant, and which God is perennially disappointed. Where is the statement of this Church relative to New Babylon, israel, and the Pharisees ( i.e. zionist) which Christ continually excoriated in every possible way...but which you elevate in every possible way?  As an admitted zionist, firster, fundie and de facto pharisee how do you cipher these contradictions..?? It can't just be occult rapture endorsement, or prideful indifference...can it??

As for me...there's nothing to know...I'm just a man...I try to follow the Logos......that's about it.


..TM7
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    Ironglow says;

            See fellows; ...I told you he " just doesn't get it".

[powderman]

IRONGLOW. God gave us all free will. We choose God or satan, right or wrong, Gods people or satans,  Heaven or hell. We have all made our choices. POWDERMAN.