Author Topic: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel. (Read 12412 times)

nw_hunter · « **Reply #120 on:** March 08, 2011, 01:21:33 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on March 08, 2011, 01:09:11 PM

tsalam, it is nice to see a bit of truth cast amognst our resident antisemites lies.

I see why GB is sensitive about this forum. It's difficult for some to debate religion without it leading to name calling, and this thread is getting close. Lets keep it civil folks or this one is over.!

beerbelly · « **Reply #121 on:** March 09, 2011, 06:37:12 AM »

To bad the Jews didn't believe in the UN when they were blowing the hell out of the British! The UN had The British in charge of Palestine! But then the Jews did not agree with the UN so they committed acts of terrorism against the British!
They are no better than that scum Moslems! The world would be a better place if both were wiped off the face of the earth!
Hopefully when Iran gets their bomb maybe this will come to pass!

tsalam · « **Reply #122 on:** March 09, 2011, 10:30:49 AM »

http://israel21c.org/201103038872/health/an-alzheimers-vaccine-in-a-nasal-spray
All you Jew haters make sure you don't buy any of the Jewish medicines and technological advances.

powderman · « **Reply #123 on:** March 09, 2011, 11:01:06 AM »

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This is some bit of propaganda, which is all immaterial since israel will not vacate occupied lands, isn't a valid state because it does not have a ratified constitution or established borders.

More falsehoods. Israel has no lands to vacate, God gave it to them, he also established her borders in the Bible and their constitution is in the form of Gods covenant with them, all these things were established thousand of years ago. Gods word and the Bible supercede all of the man made land giveaways dreamed up by muslims and their enablers. POWDERMAN.

powderman · « **Reply #124 on:** March 09, 2011, 12:04:48 PM »

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and likewise that's what my jewish wife of 35 years and my in-laws think as well...

HEH. I waited all day for a good laugh, thanks. POWDERMAN.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #125 on:** March 09, 2011, 12:23:24 PM »

God gave the land to Abraham. But, he bought his burial plot from the Hittites. Something to think about.

Genesis Chapter 25

7 Abraham lived a hundred and seventy-five years. 8 Then Abraham breathed his last and died at a good old age, an old man and full of years; and he was gathered to his people. 9 His sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah near Mamre, in the field of Ephron son of Zohar the Hittite, 10 the field Abraham had bought from the Hittites. There Abraham was buried with his wife Sarah. 11 After Abraham’s death, God blessed his son Isaac, who then lived near Beer Lahai Roi.

tsalam · « **Reply #126 on:** March 09, 2011, 08:02:05 PM »

Yeah TM, I am well aware of "Jews for Justice", B'tselem, Rabbis for Human Rights, ISM, George Soros, Neturei Karta, and all the other myriad of anti-Israel self hating Jews who do everything they can to harm Israel. To infer that these are "true Torah Jews" is an incredible statement. They obviously either haven't read Torah or they don't believe what it says since everything they do is against the Torah and therefore against G-d. There is a day of reckoning coming soon. HaShem says He will leave those to their own devices to survive when He calls Jews home to Israel and they refuse to come.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #127 on:** March 09, 2011, 08:43:32 PM »

Quote from: tsalam on March 09, 2011, 10:30:49 AM

http://israel21c.org/201103038872/health/an-alzheimers-vaccine-in-a-nasal-spray
All you Jew haters make sure you don't buy any of the Jewish medicines and technological advances.

A Jew hater... what qualifies one as a Jew Hater?

I'm guessing it's refusing to buy into the notion that the Zionist entity is immune, and has God-given carte blanche to do whatever they want, and... tag any who disagree as Jew Haters.

Am I close?

tsalam · « **Reply #128 on:** March 10, 2011, 07:11:31 AM »

TM, re: "chosenism", I was just repeating what G-d said. If you don't believe Him then there is the problem. I have nothing against catholics. I do have a lot against the historical catholic church which corrupted the truth and caused so many problems in the world. "Both cousins were blessed not just one." Yes, BUT the promise of the covenant was given to Isaac, not Ishmael. Gen 17:19,21, 21:10, 12, 25:12, 25:6, etc. How many of these verses don't you understand? Yes, it is a shame that there are so many people who refuse to accept the truth of G-d's Word, which Messiah lived and taught. It is very simple, Gen 12:3 says "I will bless those who bless you, and him who curses you I will curse; and all the families of the earth shall bless themselves by you." Inherent in the word "curse" is the denial that G-d's word is true and that the people HE chose are His chosen to bring His truth to the world. You don't have an argument with me, your argument is with G-d Himself.

BBF · « **Reply #129 on:** March 10, 2011, 07:24:14 AM »

A Jew hater... what qualifies one as a Jew Hater?

I'm guessing it's refusing to buy into the notion that the Zionist entity is immune, and has God-given carte blanche to do whatever they want, and... tag any who disagree as Jew Haters.

Am I close?

Close?? Nope, you got a bullseye right there.

Even in Bollywood you can only kiss the Chief Rabbi's butt so often before you get the heave-ho.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #130 on:** March 10, 2011, 10:17:52 PM »

Chosen for what? What does the Bible mean by Israel being God’s chosen people? Some seem to think it means chosen to go the heaven and the rest go to hell. I don't see that in the Bible.

There was a birthright and a blessing passed down from father to son. The birthright started with Adam and Eve in the fall of mankind in the Garden of Eden. It was the right to have the messiah born in your family. The blessing started with Abraham. It was the blessing to become a powerful nation.

The birthright promised to Eve in Genesis Chapter 3
14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, “Cursed are you above all livestock and all wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life. 15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”
Blessing given to Israel(Jacob) by his father Issac in Genesis Chapter 27

27 So he went to him and kissed him. When Isaac caught the smell of his clothes, he blessed him and said, “Ah, the smell of my son is like the smell of a field that the LORD has blessed. 28 May God give you heaven’s dew and earth’s richness— an abundance of grain and new wine. 29 May nations serve you and peoples bow down to you. Be lord over your brothers, and may the sons of your mother bow down to you. May those who curse you be cursed and those who bless you be blessed.”

Jesus the Messiah was born in Israel's family through his son Judah. Jesus is a blessing to all nations All nations will bow down to Him when He comes back. By the looks of current events that may be very soon. So, in my opinion Israel and his descendants were chosen to receive Jesus and be a blessing to all nations. Salvation is through Jesus for all, not a chosen race.

I do not see where anything I wrote conflicts in any way with any thing tsalam wrote. Except that Issac and Ishmael were brothers not cousins.

Notice capture 27 verse29. I will never in any way curse Israel. God bless Israel.

powderman · « **Reply #131 on:** March 11, 2011, 03:40:21 AM »

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You don't have an argument with me, your argument is with G-d Himself.

TSALAM. Thats it exactly. Tm has stated many times that his, or her god is not our God. He, or she will meet the real God one day and I doubt it will be a pleasant experience. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #132 on:** March 12, 2011, 01:24:32 PM »

TM;
I still find it comical that you should quote Genesis 17: 18,20,23,25,26, & 27 to us verbatim..but somehow missed vs 19 which says;

" And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an EVERLASTING covenant, and with his seed after him".

Now, how did you miss that key verse ? ...And did you notice that God did Abraham an extreme kindness when He didn't cast Ishmael away immediately ? Read VS 18 again...
"And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee".
Abraham begged for a provision for Ishmael... Then what did God reply ? He replied with vs 19 see above... He wanted to make sure Abraham knew who the "son of promise" was !

Still, God in kindness, didn't cast Ishmael and his descendants out immediately, even though He knew they would be nothing but trouble from then until now...just as He said.. in.. (Gen 16:11 &12)

It appears that much of Ishmael's progeny decided to divorce themselves from God shortly after AD 620.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #133 on:** March 12, 2011, 01:28:30 PM »

OOPS!!!! Like I have always said his propaganda has just enough truth to make it sound believable.

powderman · « **Reply #134 on:** March 12, 2011, 02:25:08 PM »

IRONGLOW. Good post as always.
TSALAM. Now you see what tm does best. Don't let him, or her, get to you.
tm. The only thing I can see that TSALAM is anti, is anti lies and misquotes of Gods word. POWDERMAN.

powderman · « **Reply #135 on:** March 13, 2011, 02:40:20 PM »

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You need to find your NT and dust it off.....all this kind of tribal superiority complex, land theft, psychopathy, rivalry, slavery, occult cosmolgy...was ended--rectified by a new contract--making the old immaterial mostly..

The OT is relevant today and I don't think the NT has any value for you either. You believe only what you can twist and corrupt. Judgement day is a coming, you aint gonna like it. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #136 on:** March 13, 2011, 05:03:43 PM »

TM says;

" Verse 19 is just a greeting ,,,,like "Hello and welcome, best of luck to you all forever."..

Ironglow says;
Your Biblical exegesis is LAME...and that is probably being too kind ! I will reprint it here and all can read it, see how lame it is !
Genesis 16;19 says;
"Then God said, 'No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Issac; I will ESTABLISH MY COVENANT with him for an EVERLASTING COVENANT, AND with his DESCENDANTS after him". (Gen 16:19)

To any honest person, this is FAR MORE than a simple "hi there, good luck to you all" !

#1) Any student of the BIBLE KNOWS God doesn't deaL in "luck" ! ..and...

#2) Any first grade reader knows this is not a promise to "you all", but is directly addressed toward ISAAC ..and nobody else !!

TM...consider yourself exegetically "busted"!! ..Touche'...

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #137 on:** March 13, 2011, 07:06:32 PM »

Quote from: ironglow on March 13, 2011, 05:03:43 PM

..Touche'...

I think Ironglow has impressed hisself.

ironglow · « **Reply #138 on:** March 13, 2011, 11:24:27 PM »

Quote from: yellowtail3 on March 13, 2011, 07:06:32 PM

Quote from: ironglow on March 13, 2011, 05:03:43 PM
..Touche'...

I think Ironglow has impressed hisself.

YT;
Any explanation of your above statement forthcoming ?

dukkillr · « **Reply #139 on:** March 14, 2011, 03:19:57 AM »

Please stop poking each other and respond on topic. I don't want to lock every thread here...

Here's a good test. Write your post, then go back and read it. Is it directed at 1) the topic or 2) an individual you don't agree with. If it's (2) then start over.

powderman · « **Reply #140 on:** March 14, 2011, 03:54:32 AM »

duk. Genesis, Abraham, and Isaac and the covenant God made with them has everything to do with Israel, part of the title of this thread. We are pointing out the history behind what the obamination says he will rebuke. POWDERMAN.

dukkillr · « **Reply #141 on:** March 14, 2011, 04:30:09 AM »

Believe me, I understand your thoughts on this subject. I've read them more than a few times. My post was directed at the posts immediately preceding it which were not on topic...

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #142 on:** March 14, 2011, 09:21:59 AM »

After his wife Sarah died Abraham married anther woman and had 6 more sons. When he died he left everything he had to Isaac. I am sure that included the birthright, blessing and land that Issac
passed down to his son Israel.

Genesis 25
The Death of Abraham
1 Abraham had taken another wife, whose name was Keturah. 2 She bore him Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak and Shuah. 3 Jokshan was the father of Sheba and Dedan; the descendants of Dedan were the Ashurites, the Letushites and the Leummites. 4 The sons of Midian were Ephah, Epher, Hanok, Abida and Eldaah. All these were descendants of Keturah.
5 Abraham left everything he owned to Isaac. 6 But while he was still living, he gave gifts to the sons of his concubines and sent them away from his son Isaac to the land of the east.

ironglow · « **Reply #143 on:** March 14, 2011, 01:03:13 PM »

Abe, as any dad would do, would like to leave/give gifts to all his children, but there was only one heir to the land and the promise...that heir was Isaac !

powderman · « **Reply #144 on:** March 14, 2011, 05:41:35 PM »

Quote from: ironglow on March 14, 2011, 01:03:13 PM

Abe, as any dad would do, would like to leave/give gifts to all his children, but there was only one heir to the land and the promise...that heir was Isaac !

IG. AMEN. POWDERMAN.

powderman · « **Reply #145 on:** March 15, 2011, 12:25:48 PM »

HEH. Genesis 17. Verses 18, 19, 20 and especially verse 21. Pretty plain the only reason God agreed to bless ishmael was because of Abraham pleading for him. Verse 21 is very plain. But my covenant will I establish with Isaac. Pretty plain to me and everybody else that reads The REAL Bible.
Also pretty plain that ishmaels seed turned out exactly as God said. A wild man with every mans hand against him. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #146 on:** March 15, 2011, 01:48:59 PM »

In spite of all the gibberish and obfuscation, verse 19 can stand by itself. One need not be a Bible scholar to understand it !

powderman · « **Reply #147 on:** March 15, 2011, 03:40:29 PM »

IRONGLOW. Problem is none of the verses we quoted fit tms anti Christian and Jew, pro muslim agenda. You have to remember that tms God is not our Christian God, he, or she, has said that many times. Those rebuking Israel will one day greatly regret it, but by then it will be too late. POWDERMAN.

crustylicious · « **Reply #148 on:** March 15, 2011, 07:36:28 PM »

TM, thanks for your clear concise logical Bible interpretations, they are an interesting read and thought provoking. In this case the all loving God you portray makes more sense to me than the "Jews are God's pets" theory espoused by the "assault the individual" posters.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #149 on:** March 15, 2011, 09:34:49 PM »

Quote from: TM7 on March 15, 2011, 10:19:59 AM

Quote from: ironglow on March 14, 2011, 01:03:13 PM
Abe, as any dad would do, would like to leave/give gifts to all his children, but there was only one heir to the land and the promise...that heir was Isaac !
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This is not entirely correct...in fact is a mistruth of the zionist. One has to look closer, look at chronology, undertand jealousy, The 'Law', and understand what Christ did to correct several things by re-writing the Covenant.

....TM7.

TM7 some insights or perhaps corrections.

Unfortunately for Ishmael he was an illegitimate son. Abraham never married Hagar. Ishmael was a product of adultery. Isaac was Abraham’s oldest legitimate son. The laws you quote in Deuteronomy are for married people. I don't think they apply in cases of adultery. Abraham gave gifts to his six legitimate sons with his second wife and sent them away. Then he left all he had to Isaac.

Ishmael was blessed as were the 6 brothers by Keturah Abraham's second wife.

True Hagar and Ishmael were sent away at Sarah's request. Ishmael probably would have been sent away with the other 6 half brothers. But, we will never know, because of Sarah's request.

When Abraham died he left everything to Isaac referenced in Genesis 25 in my post above. There is no record in the bible about Abraham giving the first sons blessing or birthright to Ishmael or Isaac. But later in Genesis it is recorded that Isaac gave them to his son Israel. Isaac couldn't give them if he didn't have them to give.

I find no record of Christ rewriting covenants. He came to fulfill the law and the old covenant, to the best of my knowledge.

Question: Where does this imposter tribe posing as Jews come from?