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Re: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.
« Reply #60 on: February 28, 2011, 07:27:42 PM »
TM, all I can say to your post is WOW! I have seen ignorance before but I think you take the cake. And I say ignorance because you obviously don't recognize or understand the truth.
having a different or opposing view is not the same as being ignorant.

The USS Liberty was spying on Israel and feeding the info to the muslims who were attacking Israel. The Jews had every reason to attack her.
I'd not heard this - is that the position of the Israeli gov't, that the IDF deliberately attacked a US Navy ship, because it was spying on them?


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Re: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.
« Reply #61 on: March 01, 2011, 03:35:19 AM »
is that the position of the Israeli gov't, that the IDF deliberately attacked a US Navy ship, because it was spying on them?


   No the official Israeli position is the attack was a case of mistaken identity, Which is BS. tsalam I know that everyone spies on everyone else, Israel continually asks us to release their spy we have doing life in prison. The lie is that we were giving the Muslims Intel is the lie!
Also the part about the British giving away parts of Israel to the Muslims. There was no Israel at the time. It was Palestine! Began and his murdering terrorist were trying to run the British out so they could steal the land!

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Re: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.
« Reply #62 on: March 01, 2011, 03:51:33 AM »
TM & Beerbelly..
  You two are so stuck in an anti-Jewish mode that you are actually comical ! ;) :D ;D  You sound like the Roman who complained about hoof prints in his lawn...as Attila and his Huns swarmed over his homeland... :o

        You two continually bring up one (that's ONE) 1,1,1,  tragic incident of more than 40 years past, which may well have been an incident of "friendly fire"...

    Then you intentionally overlook 16, 874.. ( That's right;  sixteen thousand, eight hundred and seventy four) terrorist incidents perpetrated in the last ten (10) years.
  Again;  16, 874 murdering incidents in less than ten years...some as high as 3,000 deaths in one incident, say nothing of the hundreds of murder attacks before 9/11 !  I will be willing to discuss the Liberty incident with you, when you are willing to discuss the  16,874 attacks perpetrated by Israel's and America's sworn enemies.. :P

   http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
         

 
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« Reply #63 on: March 01, 2011, 04:01:58 AM »
You two continually bring up one (that's ONE) 1,1,1,  tragic incident, which may well have been an incident of "friendly fire" ...and intentionally overlook
 (to be cont'd)

Are you thinking of the attack on the Liberty? Well... I'm just interested to learn that it was, according to one poster, a deliberate attack on a US Navy ship by the Israeli air force. I'd been under the impression that the Zionist military & gov't have always claimed it was an error, that they thought were killing Egyptians on a 30 knot warship and not Americans on a 17 knot ex-freighter.
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Re: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.
« Reply #64 on: March 01, 2011, 04:19:45 AM »
Yellowtail;
  I'm not giving anyone a pass, but I do realize it is a disputed event.  The US govt was satisfied that it was a friendly fire incident, but conspiracists and anti-Americans like to spin the other way..understood..
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
  I said I am willing to discuss the Liberty incident alongside the other 16,874 incidents  spoke of, are you ready to discuss the issue ? 
  You seem to pride yourself in being "understanding and open minded'...  Did you even read the site I offered about the 16, 874 attacks perpetrated in less than 10 years ?
 
   If you read both articles, you will find an apology and reparations by the Israelis for the tragic mistake of the USS Liberty.
 
 How many apologies and how many $$ in reparations have been put forth for the 16, 874 murderous attacks of just the last 10 years ?

  Yellowtail, you're losing your reputation for fairness and logic at a rapid rate..
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Re: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.
« Reply #65 on: March 01, 2011, 04:30:25 AM »
Just go and read what the Captian of the USS Liberty and all of the surivors had to say!

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Re: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.
« Reply #66 on: March 01, 2011, 04:30:59 AM »
I said I am willing to discuss the Liberty incident alongside the other 16,874 incidents  spoke of, are you ready to discuss the issue ? 
what is the issue that you want to discuss?

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You seem to pride yourself in being "understanding and open minded'...

Pride myself, do I? Is that a claim I've made, or one that you're makin' for me?

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Did you even read the site I offered about the 16, 874 attacks perpetrated in less than 10 years ?
Just opened it. 'thereligionofpeace.com' - I'm guessing that's an anti-Muslim site of some kind, with that URL. Is it?
 
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If you read both articles, you will find an apology and reparations by the Israelis for the tragic mistake of the USS Liberty.
I am very familiar with the attack and aftermath, which is why I was interested to hear Tsalam say that it was a deliberate attack on USN ship because it was spying on the IDF. Maybe he's right?
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Yellowtail, you're losing your reputation for fairness and logic at a rapid rate..

Is that my reputation?
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Re: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.
« Reply #67 on: March 01, 2011, 05:54:56 AM »
Yellowtail;
  I'm not giving anyone a pass, but I do realize it is a disputed event.  The US govt was satisfied that it was a friendly fire incident, but conspiracists and anti-Americans like to spin the other way..understood..
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
  I said I am willing to discuss the Liberty incident alongside the other 16,874 incidents  spoke of, are you ready to discuss the issue ? 
  You seem to pride yourself in being "understanding and open minded'...  Did you even read the site I offered about the 16, 874 attacks perpetrated in less than 10 years ?
 
   If you read both articles, you will find an apology and reparations by the Israelis for the tragic mistake of the USS Liberty.
 
 How many apologies and how many $$ in reparations have been put forth for the 16, 874 murderous attacks of just the last 10 years ?

  Yellowtail, you're losing your reputation for fairness and logic at a rapid rate..



I didn't know you were anti American Yellowtail :o
I guess G W had it right! Your either for us or against us.......Don't even think about questioning an official report. Just be a good little mindless robot, and listen to your leaders. They know what's best for you, and would never lie to us. Especially if it involves Israel.

Some of the survivors and U.S. diplomats and intelligence officials involved in the incident continue to dispute these official findings, saying the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was not a mistake,[6] and it remains "the only maritime incident in U.S. history where [U.S.] military forces were killed that was never investigated by the [U.S.] Congress."[7] I guess these folks are ANTI-American!
On December 17, 1987, the issue was officially closed by the two governments through an exchange of diplomatic notes..............Imagine that! Better work on that reputation YT ;D
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Re: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.
« Reply #68 on: March 01, 2011, 06:18:49 PM »
Thought you might enjoy this. You might have to copy and paste.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/7123

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Re: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.
« Reply #69 on: March 01, 2011, 09:30:02 PM »
I didn't know you were anti American Yellowtail :o
Guess I'm busted.

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Some of the survivors and U.S. diplomats and intelligence officials involved in the incident continue to dispute these official findings, saying the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was not a mistake

That's what tsalam says... that it was a deliberate attack, because the USN was spying on the Zionist state.
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Better work on that reputation YT ;D

I'll get right on it. Shalom, ya'll...
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Re: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.
« Reply #70 on: March 01, 2011, 11:03:31 PM »
 YT;
            In the question of the liberty incident, I have not dealt with rumors, innuendos, conspiracy theories and the rare,  isolated reporter, of whom it is difficult to confirm or deny their motivations .  I have dealt only with what official reports of the incident.  What other reports have higher standing...assuming available witness were called to the hearing ? 
  Yes, I expect for many people who have come under attack, it makes no difference whether it was accidental, intentional or false flag..they are going to be angry with the attacker.
         The official report after sworn testimony of witnesses from both sides of the attack and intelligence agencies from both nations.. says it was a friendly fire incident.
      I have already said the incident is a DISPUTED event...but again,  I hesitate to affirm rumors and conspiracy theories.  I could say it was a deliberate attack; but I also could say that Dick Cheney plotted the attack the Twin Towers, or Carl Rove sent a cruise missle crashing into the Pentagon, 0r Pres G H W Bush  flew and SR71 "Blackbird" into a hostile Iranian airport, or even that  G W Bush stood out in the gulf, flapped his arms and started Hurricane Katrina..   
    If  I did so however, that would place me into a conspiracy theorist league of the Louis  Farrakhan, Hugo Chavez and Moammar Ghadaffi class...and I don't want to join that illustrious group  ! 
   Now, suppose I say.."OK you have some credence there".. now can we discuss some of the 16, 874 other cases of unprovoked attacks, many of which were directly against American interests. 
        Rather than  deal in rumors, let's proceed to an incident even BEFORE the 16, 874 listed..  No, not the attack on the Kenyan embassies, nor the destruction of the Khobar Towers..no, not the first attack on the Twin Towers...and not even the deaths aboard the USS Cole.
    Let's look at the Marines who were invited into Lebanon as peacekeepers, by the government  of Lebanon.  Nearly 9 times as many Americans were murdered there by a devilish attack, as on the USS Liberty..to say nothing about the thousands of Americans murdered since then in the name of Allah.  Still, the anti Israel- pro Islam radical gang here, always skew the debate back to the regrettable USS Liberty incident..an incident where official apologies and reparations were paid.  Now, I know that may seem a paltry price to pay for that many lives, but it sure beats more  "death to America"  and even more deadly attacks !
           But feel free to go there , nobody here will behead you for it !
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Re: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.
« Reply #71 on: March 02, 2011, 12:39:36 AM »
What other reports have higher standing...

The Capitan of the ship and the sailors on it! Although I am sure you prefer to believe the Israelis! tsalam says that when the Jews were blowing up the British they were defending themselfs. How is blowing up hotels full of innocent people defending your self? It is terrorism no different than the Moslems!

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Re: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.
« Reply #72 on: March 02, 2011, 02:12:10 AM »
TM says;
    " The FBI claims that terrorist attacks or actions by islamics in the USA are exceeded by Latin, environmental and jewish extremism,....that is a matter of official record despite what IG is trying to sell. "



       :D :D :D :D :D
        WOW !  What a stretch, lumping many problems into one; and for what ?  ..To give the  Islamic terrorists a pass....     
   Now, if you just add in... cruelty to animals, nepotism, Dutch elm disease, rabies and bad breath,..you can really solidify your case against Israel !  :D :D :D :o :P
        I think most of this protecting evil acts such as stupid-cide bombings, terrorism plus denying the holocaust...truly comes from !!!

     I remember when many years ago my old Dad gave me a quaint saying which went...

     "No matter how much you wail and weep, you'll still be judged by the company you keep !"

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Re: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.
« Reply #73 on: March 02, 2011, 02:01:49 PM »
Iornglow, friendly fire is when someone accdently drops a bomb in the wrong place or some such thing.
  The attack on the USS Libirty lasted more than two hours. Starting with air strikes and then with surface craft, gun boats circling and blowing the hell out of them with that massive American flag flying for all to see!

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« Reply #74 on: March 02, 2011, 02:21:52 PM »
Iornglow, friendly fire is when someone accdently drops a bomb in the wrong place or some such thing.
  The attack on the USS Libirty lasted more than two hours. Starting with air strikes and then with surface craft, gun boats circling and blowing the hell out of them with that massive American flag flying for all to see!


  BB;
  So you say the Liberty was flying a large US flag..maybe so..
   ..But in those other more than 16,874 attacks, which you never seem to bring up or condemn; do you suppose there was a US identifying marker on the various humvees etc, that have been hit with IEDs ?  Did anyone realize that the WTC was on American territory, or the Pentagon a part of US property.  Do you think the USS Cole had US identifying marks ?  Can you Imagine the billets in Lebanon housing Marines (nearly 300 killed), was well marked..were the guards in uniform ?  How about the murderous  Muslim in Germany TODAY?   Was he too myopic to see the Air Force bus..or that US Airmen were aboard ?  The Khobar towers housed American military families, common knowledge in the neighborhood..  And all those shots being fired at our guys in Iraq & Afghanistan...are our guys not in uniform, are their vehicles not marked ?  The govts of Iraq & Afghanistan have asked us to remain there, so the ones who are firing at our troops are simply terrorists..
       
                   Are you kidding me...unless you are a pure, unadulterted anti-semite (by the popular term), you must admit the Jews are like angels in comparison to the Muslim Fanatics...there is no other explanation for your disparity in logic...
  At least try to be a tiny bit "fair & balanced"..people are noticing.. ;) :D ;D
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« Reply #75 on: March 02, 2011, 02:44:23 PM »

You are trying to say that the Muslims are bad guys, which is very true! I would have no problem with nuking them off the face of the earth! But that is no excuse for the atrocities the Israelis have committed! I see no difference in the two! You are letting your religious fanaticism blind you!

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« Reply #76 on: March 02, 2011, 07:41:55 PM »
And all those shots being fired at our guys in Iraq & Afghanistan...are our guys not in uniform, are their vehicles not marked ?  The govts of Iraq & Afghanistan have asked us to remain there, so the ones who are firing at our troops are simply terrorists..
I think their view is that they're fighting a foreign occupying army. The same view you would have if a foreign occupying army was here, whether or not our puppet gov't invited them in (or to stay, to be more accurate)
                   
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Re: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.
« Reply #77 on: March 03, 2011, 12:22:51 AM »
And all those shots being fired at our guys in Iraq & Afghanistan...are our guys not in uniform, are their vehicles not marked ?  The govts of Iraq & Afghanistan have asked us to remain there, so the ones who are firing at our troops are simply terrorists..
I think their view is that they're fighting a foreign occupying army. The same view you would have if a foreign occupying army was here, whether or not our puppet gov't invited them in (or to stay, to be more accurate)
                 



      YT;
 .... And obviously they are mistaken.  The multinational troops who are in Afghanistan were invited by the duly elected government there, so thgose who are fighting the multinational troops are outlaws and terrorists.
  If you recall, both pres Bush and pres Obama have both said we would not stay in Afghanistan any longer than the elected govt there wanted us. As far as the terrorists being of the opinion that they are fighting "occupiers" doesn't make them correct any more than the man who shot Dr. "Tiller the Killer"..because he thought HE WAS RIGHT !
   
     Kinda settles the debate, doesn't it !  The terrorists are simply wrong and committing murder...
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« Reply #78 on: March 03, 2011, 12:55:03 AM »
And, before you ask Yellowtail;
         The Jews undoubtedly feel the same way, except they have a more legitimate claim.  You say you are a Christian...OK..then read your Bible ! You do believe the Bible, don't you ?
   Check Genesis 12  ...there the land is given to Abraham and his legitimate descendants. Yes, Abraham screwed up, he's made of flesh as are the rest of us...but the Scriptures are clear..the land goes to his LEGITIMATE heirs.
  Of course, there is a lesson for us in that whole story about Ishmael being a "bush baby"..and it can be summed up a such;
     " Forbidden fruit can get your ash in a jam" ! 
 Still, the old flesh makes the same mistakes, but only rarely with such dramatic consequences..nearly 6,000 years later !  In any case Isaac was the " son of promise" due to inherit the "land of promise".
   Joshua led them into the promised land about 3,200 BC, and the Jews dwelt there until some time after 70 AD when the Roman army drove most (but not all of) them out. When the Jews were chased from their homes, farms, cities and temples by the Romans...naturally, squatters moved in.  Note: there was no "Islam" in 70 AD..
    The much lambasted "Zionism" is simply the Jews trying to get back what is theirs...according to God's promise. 
 
    Some members of The League of Nations, decided to settle "the Jewish problem" by carving out the original Land of Promise, from this wasteland.  Immediately, the Hashemite tribe squealed, saying the land was theirs...so the Brits gave the Hashemite more than half the old Jewish homeland, which became Transjordan (later, Jordan).  The "Zionists" acquiesed..believeing they could make do with about 40%...and peaceful neighbors.  Actually, Jordan has been less hostile than foreigners who subsequently flooded into the west bank area and started making demands (e.g. Arafat was an Egyptian).
  So enough digression,  the land was promised to the Jews and occupied by them for about 3,600 years..until they were forced out.
     Clearly, it depends upon ones perspective, there is the Judeo/Christian perspective , as outlined above..and in the Bible:
 or, there is the Islamist perspective...
   Obviously, it depends upon where your loyalties reside.
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« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2011, 01:36:14 AM »
  guess you have your own Bible TM...looks different than the one the rest of us have, doesn't it ! ;) :D ;D

   Mayhaps you have your own history books also..where do you get them translated from Arabic to English ?   ;) :D 8)
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Re: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.
« Reply #80 on: March 03, 2011, 03:36:33 AM »
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guess you have your own Bible TM...looks different than the one the rest of us have, doesn't it !   




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« Reply #81 on: March 03, 2011, 04:32:28 AM »
  TM says;
         "Show me in your special Bible where Jesus said to kill moslems and take their land, or where Ishmael was particularly unblessed. Or where Jesus himself promoted 'chosenism'."

..TM7



   Again TM;
   You really must consult the real Bible ! Of course, God never told the Israelis to kill  Muslims...Islam is a more recently developed cult..designed post-Scripture.  Thus, there was no need to tell them to kill muslims...the Jews were only told to defend their Promised Land. 
     I am glad you mentioned it too, since they did occupy and defend their Promised Land for 3200 years...with God's blessings.  Then of course, they fell away from God, so he took their land from them, temporarily.  Here in America, many of  the people have in recent years , generally ignored God.  Loss of their homeland could be a result !

    Now, concerning Ishmael;.. God did say Ishmael would produce many descendants..but he didn't say they would be a blessing to all mankind as Isaac's would be...
   
       Read.... Genesis 16:11 & 12 TNIV) God speaks to Hagar (the Egyptian);

 11)  " You are now pregnant and will give birth to a son, and you shall call him Ishmael, for the Lord has heard your misery."

 12) "He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand will be against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers".

      Now TM; if you think that is a blessing...help yourself !  As I see it, this prophesy given by God some 6,000 years ago, paints a very accurate picture of the Muslim tribalism of today..
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« Reply #82 on: March 03, 2011, 04:40:03 AM »
  A further picture can be shown by meaning of the two names...   Ishmael & Isaac

  Ishmael...God hears..   Because God heard Hagar's misery.

  Isaac..  Laughter...       Because foolishly, 90 yr old Sarah laughed... when God told her she would give birth to the chosen heir to Abraham.  The one God chose to sire his own chosen people..to place in their own Promised Land !
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« Reply #83 on: March 03, 2011, 04:56:38 AM »
And all those shots being fired at our guys in Iraq & Afghanistan...are our guys not in uniform, are their vehicles not marked ?  The govts of Iraq & Afghanistan have asked us to remain there, so the ones who are firing at our troops are simply terrorists..
I think their view is that they're fighting a foreign occupying army. The same view you would have if a foreign occupying army was here, whether or not our puppet gov't invited them in (or to stay, to be more accurate}
      YT;
 .... And obviously they are mistaken. 
I don't think so.
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The multinational troops who are in Afghanistan were invited by the duly elected government there, so thgose who are fighting the multinational troops are outlaws and terrorists.
Oh. Alrighty... there's a duly elected government? Was there when we INVADED the country?

How about in Iraq? they've got gov't - is it duly elected? - but we invaded that country, and lots of their troops and citizens and former troops resisted. If I understand correctly... it is your position that they're terrorists? All of them? Some of them? The guys who were part of what is now referred to as the Sunni Awakening... terrorist? Or former terrorists, since they're now shooting on our behalf? Or were, before we screwed some of them over?

If you get invaded, fighting back - even after your gov't/army is beaten - terrorism? That word is getting waaaaay overplayed.

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As far as the terrorists being of the opinion that they are fighting "occupiers" doesn't make them correct any more than the man who shot Dr. "Tiller the Killer"..because he thought HE WAS RIGHT !
   
     Kinda settles the debate, doesn't it !  The terrorists are simply wrong and committing murder...
nope. doesn't settle anything. I can understand how you would think it would, though.
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Re: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.
« Reply #84 on: March 03, 2011, 05:16:29 AM »
  I support our troops../.you can cheer the Al Queda if you wish... Again, nobody here will behead you for that !
   " Lots of luck" with your buddies, however !


   For a guy who claims to be a Christian..you better read the passages above from Genesis 16:11 & 12...   If you believe the Bible, the answer is clear where the problem has been for 60 centuries ! :P
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Re: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.
« Reply #85 on: March 03, 2011, 06:40:05 AM »
IRONGLOW. Good posts as always. Gosh, I never knew that Abraham ever married hagar like you know who would lead us to believe. I reckon his, or her koran just tells it differently.  Hmmmmm. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.
« Reply #86 on: March 03, 2011, 10:13:55 AM »
TM says;
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Also FYI..The moslems believe "thine only son Isaac." Should  have been written "thine only son Ishmael" when Ishmael was thirteen years old and Isaac not born yet? When Isaac was born Abraham had already had two sons. So they believe Ishmael was changed to Isaac in all of Genesis 22, but God had preserved the word "only" to show us what it should have been....anyway that's what they believe because Ishmael was the 'only' son at the time. Soooo fyi..That's what they believe.. doesn't matter much to me because this is all superceded by the New Covenant."


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    Curiously.The original Ishmael is only mentioned as far as Genesuis 25, where he is buried and forgotten (as far as Scriptures are concerned.  Others by the same name are mentioned , but the original Ishmael exits at Genesis ch 25.
    Conversely, Isaac is mentioned time and again throughout the Jewish Bible..then is carried over in reverence into the New Testament... Isaac goes through the New Testament as a patriarch of the chosen people..even so far as the book of James where the picture of the Christ is illustrated through the near sacrifice of Isaac.
   Now, all Christians have learned in about 3rd grade Sunday School that Isaac is a "type" of Christ.  Something here tells us that Isaac looms much larger than the "wild ass of the desertZ" ..as some editions term Ishmael.

       When I gave the meaning of the names, I noticed you troubled yourself to even put a "spin" on the names...
   Clearly, the name Isaac in no way translates to "God laughed".  The various dictionaries only mention   a) laughter b) to laugh or c) one who laughs...
   it would be silly to say it means "God Laughs" , when it was clearly that Sarai was the one who laughed..

   But all this debate is a moot point, because you are intentionately overlooking   ..Genesis 17:19  which says;

  " And God said,  Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an EVERLASTING covenant, and with his seed after him".   (Gen 17:19)

   Then in verse 20, GOD says he has blessed Ishmael,  in that Ishmael will "multiply exceedingly" and will father 12 nations.
  Then He goes on to say in vs 20;

  " But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year". (Gen 17:20)

   Now I will sit back to see how you will "spin" God's word.. but be careful ... see.. (Rev 22:19)  ...that is next to last verse in the Bible, so it must be important !
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Re: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.
« Reply #87 on: March 03, 2011, 11:58:00 AM »
IRONGLOW. I'll be darned, my Bible reads just like yours does, go figger. Not only verse 19 but 18 also. Judgement day will not be pleasant for some folks for sure. POWDERMAN.  :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Re: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.
« Reply #88 on: March 05, 2011, 01:09:51 AM »
If powerman and ironglow believe what they say, I do not understand why they do not convert to Judaism. They readily proclaim the Jews to be God's chosen people. If this is so and the Jews are right, they do NOT believe in Jesus Christ. So if they are right, you are wrong and can not possibly go to heaven! God's chosen people will go to heaven, you  will be left out in the cold or maybe heat.  ;D

There is a problem with this line of reasoning.  The Jews were not Gods chosen people.  Israel and his descendents were.  Jacob the man renamed Israel by God had 12 sons.  The descendents of each son became a tribe.  The descendents of Judah became the tribe of Judah or Jews.  So, the Jews are Gods chosen people.  But, only one tribe of 12. 

After the 12 tribes of Israel settled in the Land called Israel, the tribe of Benjamin began engaging in behavior offensive God and the other tribes.  After a war the tribe of  Benjamin was split in two.  Half of the tribe went to Judah and half to the other ten tribes.

Later the ten tribes offended God and were taken into captivity in the North.  Judah stood alone in Israel until they were taken into captivity by Babylon.  When the tribe of  Judah left Babylon, they went back to Israel.  Kept their religion and identity.  They are the Jews.

When the other ten tribes escaped captivity they went North, didn't keep their religion and lost their identity.  They are the ten lost tribes.  But, they are still tribes of Israel.  We do not know who they are.  God does.  Many of them are now Christians.  Many Jews accept Jesus as the messiah, not all reject him. 

Jesus came to save all nations and people, not just Israel or the Jews.
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Re: The obamination says, we will rebuke Israel.
« Reply #89 on: March 05, 2011, 03:59:41 AM »
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Jesus came to save all nations and people, not just Israel or the Jews.



On that I can agree. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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