Author Topic: New C&R german pistol in 9mm.......... (Read 6202 times)

1911crazy · « **on:** December 31, 2010, 09:34:01 AM »

Go to; www.aimsurplus.com The German Walther P1 pistol in 9mm luger just became a C&R for $319. I ordered one already better move quickly if you want one too. I'm not sure how many they have. Its one more german pistol off my want list. Move quickly......you been told.....happy new year too!!!!!! Bill

Airsporter · « **Reply #1 on:** January 01, 2011, 08:16:03 AM »

I got AIM's email the other day, just had to sleep on it. Spent too much for Christmas. First snow storm, a guard rail took out the right front quarter panel on my 'commuter car.'

No collision insurance as it's a 16-year-old Camry. My first 'accident' in decades. Then dentist tells me this week I need a root canal

! $$$$$$$$

Well, for $319 I had to do it anyway. Ordered online this morning - hope they didn't sell out before I got there! I tried to call but they are closed for the holiday.

Happy New Year

P.S. CDNN has 'excellent condition' used P1 mags on sale for $9.99 I've always had good luck dealing with them.

http://www.cdnninvestments.com/wap39mmfamag.html

1911crazy · « **Reply #2 on:** January 01, 2011, 08:48:04 AM »

I hesitated too with my credit card about at my monthly limit with christmas still where i can pay it off this month. But you know we just had too do it. We may never see this price again. The p38 has been on my wish list for eons. Ok its a p1 but its a twin to the p38. The p38's run between $700 to $2,000 lately. This makes the walther p1 a great buy. CZY

drdougrx · « **Reply #3 on:** January 01, 2011, 01:48:17 PM »

Wish I could buy one. I was amazed that they had a aluminum framed HP! There's a gun I'd love to own.

1911crazy · « **Reply #4 on:** January 02, 2011, 02:24:03 PM »

From what i'm reading about the p1's is about the frames cracking. What causes this to happen is some change the recoil springs to stronger springs which add too much pressure on the frames and another thing is shooting hotter 9mm ammo too. So we must watch what ammo were using. Otherwise these should serve us well if we feed them right. CZY

Airsporter · « **Reply #5 on:** January 03, 2011, 05:55:17 AM »

That's apparently why Walther added the steel pin through the receiver. Check out the hex-shaped pin between the takedown lever and the slide release. You can see it in the side view pictures of the P1 on AIM's website. Probably due to the use of hotter NATO spec ammo. The very early aluminum framed P38's (not marked P1) don't have these 'upgrades.'

The slide is also slightly thicker than the regular P38. That said, mine will see only standard pressure ammo.

1911crazy · « **Reply #6 on:** January 03, 2011, 10:06:58 AM »

Mine too i'm not pushing it.

GRIMJIM · « **Reply #7 on:** January 03, 2011, 11:53:20 AM »

Quote from: 1911crazy on January 01, 2011, 08:48:04 AM

I hesitated too with my credit card about at my monthly limit with christmas still where i can pay it off this month. But you know we just had too do it. We may never see this price again. The p38 has been on my wish list for eons. Ok its a p1 but its a twin to the p38. The p38's run between $700 to $2,000 lately. This makes the walther p1 a great buy. CZY

That's good to know, I paid $300 for my p-38 a couple of years ago.

drdougrx · « **Reply #8 on:** January 04, 2011, 03:17:21 AM »

I don't even want to think about all of this. I had a safequeen NIB P-1 (Leopard Box) that hadn't seen more than 100 rounds that I bought in the 1980's and sold it a few years ago for $800. Man.....

1911crazy · « **Reply #9 on:** January 04, 2011, 03:46:13 AM »

Quote from: drdougrx on January 04, 2011, 03:17:21 AM

I don't even want to think about all of this. I have a safequeen NIB P-1 (Leopard Box) that hadn't seen more than 100 rounds that I bought in the 1980's and sold it a few years ago for $800. Man.....

Here's my story and i'm sticking with it; (don't feel bad yet)
When i fisrt got into collecting and read about the cheap game getter russian surplus military rifles they mentioned the svt-40 tokarev. I went to a big gun show in the northeast and my quest began. I probably walked passed 500 tables looking and looking for the svt-40. When the very last table, the very last gun sitting there was an svt-40 tokarev refurb in excellent condition marked $850. At the time the going rate was around $400 tops. But of course my wants out weighted the cost. I haggled it down to $650 and got it. Going home i figured i screwed up big time by paying too much. Now many years later there past what i [paid for mine. I did find out my svt-40 refurb was never shot because the gas valve wasn't adjusted correctly. There were no marks on the bolt from the case rims. After adjusting the scribed lines on the gas valve she cycles and shoots awesome now. Now getting back to the gun show i find it rather odd all the time when i purchase something the crowd seems to always stop me on the way out and look at my purchase and say where did you find that? Or what is it? I get that all the time at gun shows. Some people even get pissed that they missed it. My point is don't feel bad the prices will go sky high sooner or later, i predict the military surplus guns will get there just do soon and the prices will go much higher the more this stuff starts to dryup. CZY

1911crazy · « **Reply #10 on:** January 04, 2011, 03:52:33 AM »

Quote from: Airsporter on January 03, 2011, 05:55:17 AM

That's apparently why Walther added the steel pin through the receiver. Check out the hex-shaped pin between the takedown lever and the slide release. You can see it in the side view pictures of the P1 on AIM's website. Probably due to the use of hotter NATO spec ammo. The very early aluminum framed P38's (not marked P1) don't have these 'upgrades.'

The slide is also slightly thicker than the regular P38. That said, mine will see only standard pressure ammo.

I just read there are a lot of post war p38's with alloy frames too.

Airsporter · « **Reply #11 on:** January 04, 2011, 04:26:14 AM »

More I read, the more interesting it gets. As I now understand it, the P1 is the version adopted by the West German army in 1957. That's why they have the 'BW' stamp - for Bundeswehr. The hex pin was one on several upgrades added in the 70's. Here is some good info:

http://forums.p38forum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13142

drdougrx · « **Reply #12 on:** January 04, 2011, 05:29:26 AM »

The problem I have is that I don't think I can bring C&R handguns into MASS. I'll have to check.

Avyctes · « **Reply #13 on:** January 04, 2011, 06:50:37 AM »

P1s are nice, but I think SOG has original P.38s on sale for about $419 or $429, can't remember which. That's only another $100, which will multiply on down the road in value because of the historical significance.

That said, I'd still like to have a P1 for a plinker. My wife's grandad had a Luger and a P1; when he passed away her aunt got the Luger and one of her brothers got the P1, which rode in one of the nice full flap leather holsters. P38s are loads of fun to shoot, in my opinion. My old byf43 is accurate as well.

Forgot to add that my wife's aunt was gracious enough to let me have the Luger. It's a mismatched gun, with some military and some civilian parts, but it's a cool looking gun, with the strangest Luger sights I ever saw. They look more like target sights.

MGMorden · « **Reply #14 on:** January 04, 2011, 08:16:38 AM »

Darn. I want one BAD but I can't swing it till my next paycheck and that ain't till the 12th. Will see if they hold out till then. I've let my C&R lapse unfortuneatly (just hadn't bought anything recently), but there's a local guy who does transfers for only $15 and since they can ship USPS to a regular FFL holder (whereas C&R to me was always UPS or Fedex overnight), it still might end up cheaper to just go that route - as long as I'm only getting a few guns every now and then.

I'm crossing my fingers that they hold out until next week . . .

Airsporter · « **Reply #15 on:** January 04, 2011, 11:00:36 AM »

Quote from: Avyctes on January 04, 2011, 06:50:37 AM

I think SOG has original P.38s on sale

Not exactly 'originals.' The are re-worked Russian 'captures' with mismatched parts (soviets paid no attention to serial numbered parts). But, I'm sure they too are good shooters and will rise in value.

P.S. SOG dropped price to $389!

1911crazy · « **Reply #16 on:** January 04, 2011, 11:10:06 AM »

Correct me if i'm wrong but aren't all the german handguns ammo finiky, like they don't like hotter ammo? The P38's, P1's, lugers and broomhandles too?

SOG won't ship to my state, they miss understood the laws here. Bill

BTW; aim surplus ships all handguns second day air. We should have them soon i hope, i can't wait to paw on it. I'm thinking about a second one already. "maybe" if i like the first one. At this price there hard to beat.

Airsporter · « **Reply #17 on:** January 04, 2011, 12:11:15 PM »

My understanding is, the German guns were all made to shoot hardball; and US ammo makers (post WWII) tended to underload the 9mm because they were afraid of the old P08s. The original rounds were hotter. Once the 9mm was accepted in the US as a major police and NATO round, they beefed it back up.

Airsporter · « **Reply #18 on:** January 05, 2011, 10:00:06 AM »

Anybody get one yet? I'm hoping they are 'as pictured' - post 1975 with the upgrades.

1911crazy · « **Reply #19 on:** January 05, 2011, 12:55:18 PM »

Quote from: Airsporter on January 05, 2011, 10:00:06 AM

Anybody get one yet? I'm hoping they are 'as pictured' - post 1975 with the upgrades.

Nothing today, maybe tomorrow for sure. I can't wait to get it and see it. Maybe its time to gather other C&R pistols too on my want list. I hope the affordable prices continue on the other C&R stuff if it shows up too. CZY

MGMorden · « **Reply #20 on:** January 05, 2011, 01:31:03 PM »

Quote from: 1911crazy on January 05, 2011, 12:55:18 PM

Quote from: Airsporter on January 05, 2011, 10:00:06 AM
Anybody get one yet? I'm hoping they are 'as pictured' - post 1975 with the upgrades.

Nothing today, maybe tomorrow for sure. I can't wait to get it and see it. Maybe its time to gather other C&R pistols too on my want list. I hope the affordable prices continue on the other C&R stuff if it shows up too. CZY

It's kinda sad that I first got my C&R about 7 years ago, and back then you had 4-5 different surplus handguns on the market - almost all under $150. Managed to snag a CZ-82, Nagant, and Star Modelo Super at those prices. Now, anything that looks good under $350 is a deal. Not disagreeing - soon as I got the cash on hand I think I'm getting one of these too - just making an observation on the current state of things.

Airsporter · « **Reply #21 on:** January 06, 2011, 02:31:25 AM »

I'm old enough to remember the pre-1968 days when I was a teenager. Mail order sales, no FFL's. Anybody remember Klein's Sporting Goods of Chicago? Lee Harvey Oswald was alleged to have purchased his Italian Carcano rifle from them in 1963 using an alias. He paid $21.45 - that included the rifle, the mounted scope, and shipping!

P08's were $49, P38's were $39. Hi-Powers and Garands sold for $89. I remember them selling sets of British Enfields -a No 1, a No.4, a No.5, and a .22 trainer - all 4 for $99!

1911crazy · « **Reply #22 on:** January 06, 2011, 08:53:00 AM »

MG I snagged those pistols a few years back. I found some guys just dumping there collections. My p1 should be here within a few hours now. I'll post tonight what i received from aim surplus. I'm still under the wire to pay off my credit card too. I have a lower monthly limit on myself so i can pay it off every month. I think i'll do a christmas club next year so when these buys show up i'll have plenty of extra cash. I hate to pass up these things when we know the'll be much more down the road if we ever see them again. I'm eyeing my 1911 purchases for this month right now. Bill

Airsporter · « **Reply #23 on:** January 06, 2011, 11:05:25 AM »

Well it's here and I am one happy camper

! Dated 5/79 with all the upgrades. Numbers match. Absolutely beautiful - appears unfired/unissued! I'm sure it must have been test fired but there are no visually detectable wear marks in/on the frame, bolt face, ejector, or extractor. Only thing from 'mint' are a few small handling marks on the grips. Came with a new (06/94) Flectar holster. Mag in gun is cherry - Walther marked 'p38.' Extra mag is used in 'good' condition - Walther marked 'P1.'

Now I have a real dilema. Do I actually want to shoot it?

BTW, the Walther P1 mags from CDNN are outstanding. The 'used-VG' mags I received appear to be virtually 'as new.' I ordered one new one too, and it's hard to see any difference.

MGMorden · « **Reply #24 on:** January 06, 2011, 11:09:48 AM »

Thanks for the report Airsporter.

Crossing my fingers that these hold out until Wednesday. I'm itching for another gun at the moment though so IF they don't, those $380 Glock 17 Gen3 police trade ins that they have don't look to be too shabby of a deal either . . .

Airsporter · « **Reply #25 on:** January 06, 2011, 11:26:24 AM »

Quote from: MGMorden on January 06, 2011, 11:09:48 AM

those $380 Glock 17 Gen3 police trade ins that they have don't look to be too shabby of a deal either . . .

The Glock 17 is my 'go to' handgun. I have an older Gen 2. It's the only modern gun I have in the house that isn't locked up. I keep it handy and loaded with Federal HST+P LE rounds! Shot it last month in a 'speed steel' match just to limber it/me up.

Airsporter · « **Reply #26 on:** January 06, 2011, 11:33:52 AM »

P.S. The import markings are discreetly placed on the bottom of the barrel. Not visible from either side.

1911crazy · « **Reply #27 on:** January 06, 2011, 01:58:59 PM »

Yup just received mine too in excellent+++ condition, more like unissued too. She looks like brand new. I love it. its the later model with the thicker slide and hex rod thru the frame too. Now i need to figure out how to disassemble it. Aim surplus did me good again, they have never done me wrong yet in many years. CZY

Just search for " disassembly walther p1 " and you tube comes up sorry i can't figure it out.

1911crazy · « **Reply #28 on:** January 06, 2011, 02:00:41 PM »

Quote from: Airsporter on January 06, 2011, 11:05:25 AM

Well it's here and I am one happy camper ! Dated 5/79 with all the upgrades. Numbers match. Absolutely beautiful - appears unfired/unissued! I'm sure it must have been test fired but there are no visually detectable wear marks in/on the frame, bolt face, ejector, or extractor. Only thing from 'mint' are a few small handling marks on the grips. Came with a new (06/94) Flectar holster. Mag in gun is cherry - Walther marked 'p38.' Extra mag is used in 'good' condition - Walther marked 'P1.'

Now I have a real dilema. Do I actually want to shoot it?

BTW, the Walther P1 mags from CDNN are outstanding. The 'used-VG' mags I received appear to be virtually 'as new.' I ordered one new one too, and it's hard to see any difference.

Maybe we should get another one to shoot?? CZY

NRAJOE · « **Reply #29 on:** January 15, 2011, 07:34:11 AM »

Lets see some pics guys...been wanting one meself...