Author Topic: Looks like me and Taurus are gonna be parting company. (Read 12433 times)

gwhilikerz · « **Reply #30 on:** October 31, 2004, 04:34:07 AM »

I can't agree about the taurus tracker 22. I have two of these and they are sweet little guns. Neither has given me any problems at all. I have owned several taurus revolvers and they have worked fine also. But what do I know? I carry a Rossi.

DirtyHarry · « **Reply #31 on:** November 01, 2004, 04:36:40 PM »

I was window shopping this weekend at the gun shop and I handled 3 model 85's and about a half dozen RB's. These were new arrivals. 2 of the three 85's looked to be keepers, but on the other one the cylinder didn't lock up tight and seemed to have a slight timing problem.
All the RB's seemed perfect, tight lockup, smooth rotating, trigger's crisp and clean with no creep.
I think quality on anything below the RB is still hit or miss, but the Bull's are still spot on....

I handled a couple Ruger super redhawks, and the triggers are still HORRIBLE just like always..... :roll:

Graybeard · « **Reply #32 on:** November 01, 2004, 06:36:57 PM »

Yup the RBs seem to be the bright spot in the Taurus line up for sure. Wish they'd get their act together on the rest.

That M460 I traded back to the dealer I bought it from is still sitting there. He's asking more for it used than I paid him new. No wonder it's still sitting there.

Moose-Hunter · « **Reply #33 on:** November 13, 2004, 12:11:40 PM »

Graybeard,

My new Taurus RB 454 Casull stainless has a small ring around the cylinder as well and it's brand new. I haven't fired it yet, either. The small ring doesn't bother me at all, but what causes that? Does it happen to all pistols for the cylinder to get a ring around it? I'm a first time pistol owner, so I do have some questions.

Graybeard · « **Reply #34 on:** November 13, 2004, 03:24:35 PM »

If the gun is properly timed it will not happen at all. Only after many thousands of rounds should a gun shoot out of time enough to develop the ring. When you see it on a new one it means the gun wasn't made and timed properly. Chances are other things weren't done right also.

I now have in my hands both the Weatherby Vanguard SS in .257 Mag. and the R700 CDL in .35 Whelen. I also no longer own the M460, the M44 or my really fine RB454. All three are gone. The ONLY Taurus I now own is my RB480 which is even more accurate than the RB454 was and a super gun. It is a keeper and will stay with me a long time.

While I was up there picking up my CDL Whelen the other day we were talking about Taurus handguns and the store owner relayed a tale to me. Seems a customer had brought back to him a new Taurus that the barrel departed from frame when first fired. Just let go as if glued with Elmer's rather than screwed in place.

Folks you can do what you want about Taurus guns but I'll not be buying another and have not gotten rid of all I previously owned but the RB480 and it is a keeper. Their quality has gone to pot it seems and customer service is even worse. Someone down there in FL needs to wake up soon. They once were a fine revolver but it would seem no more. What a shame.

mr.frosty · « **Reply #35 on:** November 13, 2004, 06:39:28 PM »

I hope the new RB 500 aint junk.

Moose-Hunter · « **Reply #36 on:** November 13, 2004, 11:21:54 PM »

Graybeard,

What do you mean by timed properly? Will the pistol work like normal, or should I be concerned and send it to Taurus? Like I said, I haven't shot this thing pistol yet.

Graybeard · « **Reply #37 on:** November 14, 2004, 04:46:48 AM »

Yeah it will probably work safely. Normally? No. If it worked normally the ring wouldn't occur. In a properly timed gun the piece that drops into the notch should click into place just as the cylinder completes its rotation into place. When the ring is made it is trying to drop too soon and thus drags as the cylinder rotates. As long as it drops into place it should be safe to shoot as it will lock the cylinder into alignment when it's dropped into place. But doing so early just causes the unsightly ring around the cylinder.

Troggy · « **Reply #38 on:** August 15, 2006, 06:51:41 AM »

Well I have been looking at all the QC thrrads I can find and dont like what I'm hearing too much. So I went and examened my new Tracker 44mag for the issues I've seen. I shot 50 rounds of cheap range reloads through it cause that's all I had time for and got 4" groups but this is crappy ammo as the brass is like from 3 different brands so I wont judge it yet for that. I fire SA ans DA with no problem. Cylinder lock up is as tight as can be. Under lock I shined a small pen light down the bore and the cylinder chambers line up pefectly. Trigger in SA is fine for me, DA is too heavy I think, belive it or not my Rugers were better. it does have a "ring" around the cylinder. If I had not had elbow sugery a few weeks ago and been off work for several weeks, I would not have had so much time to surf the net and find all this crap about Tuarus and would be happy with the Tracker. It is a realy good idea for a packing gun! I like the sights, it fits my hand great, although I changed the ugly and bad fit(for me) "ribber" grips to Hogues, that I love. One minute, Im looking for a comperable gun of another manufacturer to trade for and the next I want to keep it. I just dont want to be run at by a big hog or something and it NOT fire or get a hasty shot off only to have it jam OR have something break and it be at the factory when it's supose to be in the field with me. Frustrating! This is why I posted "Taurus Quality" poll.Not sure what I wanna do now, although the poll favors tuarus.

mg66 · « **Reply #39 on:** August 15, 2006, 07:12:10 AM »

I bought a Taurus PT92 about 2000-2001 and this is an excellent pistol, never a problem after many years and 1000s of rounds.

I bought a Taurus M44SS6 and 66SS6 within a few days of each other in May 2006. Both revolvers had to be sent back to Taurus for work. Both were fixed and are fine now but I believe that their QA must have left the building.

No more Taurus' for this little black duck. I will spend my hard earned dollars on something other than Taurus unless by some miracle turn around they get their quality act back on track and it appears this is not going to happen in the near distant future.

gator64 · « **Reply #40 on:** August 26, 2006, 11:17:50 AM »

A letter just sent to Taurus........

Taurus International Mfg, Inc.
16175 NW 49 Ave.
Miami, FL 33014
Ladies & Gentlemen
I purchased my FIRST Taurus product last year. I have a Gaucho in 45 cal with a 5 ½ barrel. I noticed immediately upon receiving it that it shot about 3 inches left at 25 yards and also that the cylinder bushing “fell” out of the cylinder when it was removed.
I called your facility to discuss the problems but the day I called you were just getting your power back on from the hurricanes and I said I would call back later. I did that and was told that if I sent the gun back it would be repaired.
I took it to XXXXXXXXXXXXXX where the gun was purchased and they were good enough to send it back for me.
It was returned with a Service Dept Invoice (SO# XXXXXX) with no payment due but with the Gunsmith comments that the firearm needs to be cleaned after every use, you recommended not using reloaded ammunition and that the bushing was supposed to be loose and spin and a drop of heavy grease will keep it in.
First – the gun was spotless when you received it since in the 50+ years I have been shooting both competitively, instructively and for recreation, my firearms are cleaned either at the range or immediately upon returning home.
Second – The gun was fired with PMC “Cowboy” loads. I assumed that ammo was appropriate.
Third – Upon comparing with several of the same models, it was noted that about half the bushings were tight and half loose.
Fourth – The resolution on the sheet says the barrel was adjusted. Baloney, the front sight was bent to the left. I thought of that first but figured that was pretty amateurish and the manufacturer would have a better solution than putting a crescent wrench on the sight and bending it.
In summary, I am almost insulted by the comments about ammo, cleaning and sticking parts together. It would have seemed that the gun could have been repaired professionally or admit you don’t know how to get it to shoot straight; but shade tree mechanics and blaming the customer wouldn’t have been my approach.
Finally, the gun is looking for a new home and will be replaced with a Ruger which is what I should have started out with. I have a friend up here that has sent 2 of these guns back twice to your facility and with similar results. In fact the first time he sent them back they had consecutive serial numbers but he did not get them back.
Being a competitive shooter as well as a NRA Life Member, NRA Instructor and Training Counselor, 4-H Coach, Board Member and Editor of the Georgia Sport Shooting Assn, I will have an opportunity to share my “Taurus Experience” with whomever asks.
Thanks for your time

ratgunner · « **Reply #41 on:** August 26, 2006, 05:16:21 PM »

Tauras guns arent moving to well in any of the shops that I frequent.I know I've tried my last one.

Graybeard · « **Reply #42 on:** August 27, 2006, 11:35:54 AM »

I keep telling you folks that Taurus quality and customer service have hit an all time low and that buying their guns is only gonna make you sad and yet folks keep on doing it and acting surprised when what I told them proves true. Oh well, ya can lead a horse to water but ya can't make him drink.

I can only tell you that you're making a mistake buying a Taurus these days, I can't make you listen.

nomosendero · « **Reply #43 on:** August 27, 2006, 04:40:06 PM »

Mr. Graybeard, sorry if this isn't proper as I have a post on this subject, but do you still feel that the RB is a good quality piece? I know where a 5" 454 is but even if it is good I am starting to wonder if that is a moot point if can't get it fixed in the event it does mess up.

Graybeard · « **Reply #44 on:** August 27, 2006, 05:16:03 PM »

I can speak only for those RB's I've had some personal experience with but so far I've not see a bad one. I'd sure rather trust one of those made 3-4 years ago over a current one but at least for now the RB seems to stand head and shoulders above all the rest of the Taurus production. Why I cannot say.

You will from time to time find a good Taurus but it's all the sifting thru the chaft to find it that hurts the pocket book.

If you buy one and it tears up I'd just find a good gunsmith and get it fixed. I'd sure not send it back to Taurus hoping for a repair.

lefty red · « **Reply #45 on:** October 17, 2006, 01:47:16 AM »

I've got to say that TAURUS' guns nowadays or hit or miss. But, I've noticed ALOT of quaility control issues in many brands these days.

I've got an older M85 that I bought in 1990. Great little guns and still have it today. It in in arms reach of my reloading bench always.

My wife has my 1992 M82 with 3" barrel in her van at all times. Both weapons have butter smooth triggers and hit POA at 15 yards into one ragged one with 158gr SWCs loaded hot.

I have M941 in stainless and the 3" barrel. I had to look at twenty different weapons in about a four year span at three different gunshops to fine a decent one!

I did get to shoot ALOT of TRACKERS at the range a month ago. A gentleman had a TRACKER in 17HRM, 22MAG, 357MAG, and a M44. The only gun that didn't shoot well was the M44. He said he tried everything, but nothing could make it a shooter. I do have dibs on the 22MAG! It was a sweet shooter!

I just stick to older square butt S&Ws and Rugers. But, I ahven't gave up on the TAURUS', just a keener, pickier eye.

Lefty

454-hunter · « **Reply #46 on:** October 18, 2006, 04:10:04 PM »

Graybeard,
Now dont get upset but, maybe taurus is screwing up your guns on purpose because they know you dont leave out the negative reports . They may just hate the fact that you try to make them do their jobs!!!!!!!!!!

Graybeard · « **Reply #47 on:** October 18, 2006, 05:26:33 PM »

OK, that's one possible theory I suppose.

gator64 · « **Reply #48 on:** October 23, 2006, 10:15:52 AM »

Just thought I would follow up and let y’all know that the letter to Taurus referenced about 7 posts back (26 August) has not generated any response from them to date. Guess they are satisfied with their customer relations....
Gator 64

Troggy · « **Reply #49 on:** December 02, 2006, 07:02:47 AM »

Me and Taurus are partin' ways too. I got to realy looking at my Tracker and just cant stand sloppy work. I noticed the extracter was slightly bent and to me the bbl looks like its bent but more likely an optical illusion due to top rib just not unifrorm. nothing is too bad but 'cmom. I had a buddy come by and look at it , he fell in love made an ofdfer and its his. I also disclosed all that I saw that was not up to par on it as I aint gonna rip no body off, Im not a dishonest salesmen. He didnt care, he said, "just needs to hit an intruder at 15 feet". It will do that. So....Ruger shoppin' for me! I will admit though that the Tracker is a real good idea.

dubber123 · « **Reply #50 on:** December 10, 2006, 02:40:59 AM »

Recently bought a Thunderbolt in 45 Colt. At the gun shop I thought I could see some marks in the bore, but it was so filthy out of the box I couldn't tell. I took it home to clean it, and you could feel a patch actually snagging on the bore near the muzzle. When clean, you can PLAINLY see some pretty severe burrs in a ring around the bore. I was going to try and lap them out myself, as I have had too many bad experiences with factory repairs. I did decide to send it back though. Big mistake. I sent a nice letter, stating the bore damage as my biggest complaint. I also said reducing the trigger pull would be very nice of them, ( it was about 12 pounds or so). Well, neary 3 months later, (SERIOUSLY!), I got it back, with a letter, with the same crap, (always clean your gun, which was spotless when returned, a note saying no problem could be seen with the bore, HA,HA! even my dealer who is nearly blind could see it!, and another note that said their remedy was "adjusted". I looks to me as if nothing was done, other than to put 2 good scratches by the loading gate, and drop it on the steel butplate and put a nick in that! I wish Brazil wasn't so far away, I would have liked to have personally " deposited " this thing. My friend also has a 4" 357 Taurus that binds up tight when firing DA. Nice choice for a protection gun. I will never purchase another Taurus, based solely on the insulting manner they treated me in this return. I traded this junker for a Rem 700 synthetic in 300 Win. mag. Lost about 150$, but got Taurus out of my life forever.

jcn59 · « **Reply #51 on:** December 16, 2006, 03:50:08 PM »

I wrote Taurus USA in August, 2006 & asked for a rear sight for a Tracker. A month later a nice Taurus lady called and said she would ship one when they had it, and it would be $35. No sight yet as of mid-December. THE ORIGINAL SIGHT was misplaced by the previous l owner.

Taurus has lost over $1100. worth of business on me while I am waiting for the sight to be shipped. Maybe the home company doesn't understand ENGLISH, HEY !!

Do any of you have a spare sight?

SO FAR: one .445 - locks up some times in DA
Tracker .17 HMR - very accurate & works good but almost never fired DA
Tracker .218 Bee - Very accurate & works good but " " " "
TWO M44s - very accurate & works good but " " " "

When I say very accurate I mean they outshoot my Rugers. I do think the Trackers are some of the nicest looking D.A. revolvers that money can buy, but I won't be buying anymore unless they ship my sight DARNED SOON !

mikedb · « **Reply #52 on:** December 23, 2006, 04:52:40 PM »

I see many more negatives than positives. You would think someone at Taurus would read the gun forums. They must not care or be making so much from selling junk they dont need to improve. Maybe they are a money laudering scheme. Just kidding, dont want my house blown up. Greybeard you did good getting the 257 Weatherby. I am not a magnum fan except for that one. The Whelen is great in the brush.

snuffer#1 · « **Reply #53 on:** January 14, 2007, 10:51:05 PM »

When I first started to get a handgun, I was looking to get a Taurus. But me and a buddy of mine were checking out reviews, and we both decided a big NO!

Instead, I got a Ruger Blackhawk in 45 colt with a 7.5" barrel. Getting ready to get another BH in 357 mag. Now I do have a Rossi in 38 spl snubby, and it's my ccw gun. I know taurus bought out Rossi, but no complaints on the Rossi. But for big bore handguns I lean toward Ruger! I think the main reason is because they can take hot loads. I'm not EVEN going to give Taurus the opportunity to mess me up!

My money is hard-earned and I don't have time to ship guns back and forth!

thomas

Troggy · « **Reply #54 on:** January 15, 2007, 06:54:32 AM »

The transition is now complete. Saterday I purchased a SS Ruger Super Blackhawk 4 5/8 bbl 44mag. It packs just as easy and construction is very stout compaired to the Tracker. I have owned a SBH before and Im not sure why I got the Tracker in the 1st place, curious I guess. Someone posted that Taurus needs to listen to there customers....well just dont buy 'em and I think they will here that. Im not trying to put Tuarus out of business becuase they have some great ideas , I just think they needa do the right thing and not let so much crap out of the factory.

vern · « **Reply #55 on:** January 20, 2007, 05:58:38 AM »

Just my two cents....

I bought a Taurus model 650 with two problems, the firing pin hits were off center and the trigger pull was very hard on two cylinders. Took it back to the shop where I purchased it, they sent it back to Taurus, they fixed everything and it works perfect.

It ain't no Cadillac and I didn't pay $800 for it either, but I'm happy with it and it goes bang when I pull the trigger.

Sourdough · « **Reply #56 on:** January 22, 2007, 06:49:47 PM »

Was at the range this summer. A guy came out that had just purchased a new Smith & Wesson pistol in .357 Mag. I watched him open the box, take the gun out and run a couple of patches through it. He then opened a new box of Federal .357 ammo., and loaded the gun. First shot the barrel flew off. The barrel landed about 15 yards out in front of the shooter. Barrel had come loose at the threads where it screwed into the frame. I went out and picked up the barrel, I examined it as I brought it back to the owner. All the threads were stripped down to almost nothing.

The man who owned the gun called me the next day to get a statement from me on what I had seen. According to the man who owned the gun, when he called Smith & Wesson to report what had happened the customer service person went off on him over the phone. The customer service person said he had to have been shooting hand loads, therefore Smith & Wesson would not cover the loss. When he asked what to do to send the gun back, the customer service person told him not to bother, they would not cover it. Then hung up on him. The gun owner was contacting an attourney the next day.

Don't think I want to deal with a company like that. And just think they bought Thompson Center.

Troggy · « **Reply #57 on:** January 27, 2007, 08:30:07 AM »

My favorite bread, that is a terrable story about the SW 357. I think all manufacturers have duds but Ruger has been good to me. I shot a SW 38 last year that locked up and needed to see a gunsmith. None of my Rugers have ever done that.

jcn59 · « **Reply #58 on:** January 28, 2007, 08:07:18 AM »

I ordered a rear sight for my Tracker four months ago. They charged my credit card on January 4, 2007, and as of January 28, I have not received the sight yet.

I think Tuarus is going belly-up. Better not buy any more of their guns or you'll get stuck with a lemon, and no guarantee. Thinking about it I guess that's what we have with a Taurus now: Lemons with no (useful) warranty.

dubber123 · « **Reply #59 on:** January 28, 2007, 11:57:33 AM »

Even though I have a serious case of DISLIKE going for Taurus right now, I do agree that all manufactures make the occasional lemon. I have gotten 3 bad Rugers in a row, a 10-22, a Single Six, and a MKII. The difference is that Ruger handled their problems, and Taurus didn't. They treated me like a moron, and as a result, they will get no more of this morons money. Customer service is king in my book, and if the company cannot follow up after a sale, I won't buy from them. Period.