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need 357 MAX advice
« on: November 03, 2010, 04:31:06 AM »
i now have the urge to have  one

i really like my 357 mag...and mostly shoot 38s
357  MAX  seems to be  the perfect  cast bullet round,...and  i like to cast my own
can  you suggest a better  cast bullet round????

it is an  SB-1  frame
am  i correct ...this  is  a  no no??

should i fit my barrel to an sb-2 frame
or just try all  my sb-2 frames till i find one that fits???

do they  make the 357 mag on  sb-2 frame  anymore???

should  i just get  a 30-30  or  444......[other  want to haves]
or  just use  my 44mag  or 45-70s  if i need more power

[ i wonder  how  many ''all  of the  aboves''  i will get]
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Re: need 357 MAX advice
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2010, 04:41:03 AM »
I'll be the first to say " all of the above"
If it were me I would try to see if it would fit a sb-2 frame just for the pice of mind.
You know you wont be happy till you get the 30-30 or 444 or both.
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Re: need 357 MAX advice
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2010, 05:20:22 AM »
I don't cast, so I can't help you with the first one.  I can tell you reaming to Max didn't change accuracy with .38s and mags in mine.  My shortie Maxi wears an Allen 9 round butt stock cartridge holder.  That contains 3 of each, maxi, mag and .38.  It's my go to farm/truck gun.

The SB1 frame is not a no no.  You can use it as long as you don't go wild.  I have all my centerfire rifles on SB2 frames.

I swapped frames, and swapped frames, and now I have one spare SB2 and 11 rifles, and none need tinkering.

No, they don't make a .357 SB2.


I'd add the .30-30, but if you've got the .45-70, do you really need a .444?  But, if you've got the time and bucks, why not?

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Re: need 357 MAX advice
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2010, 05:29:30 AM »
Quote from: 45-70.gov on November 03, 2010, 04:31:06 AM
it is an  SB-1  frame
am  i correct ...this  is  a  no no??

See 357 Max on an SB1 Frame in the FAQs.

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Re: need 357 MAX advice
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2010, 06:32:01 AM »
In a perfect world we would have one of each of whatever we want.............
In my world, and maybe yours, with the 45-70 I would pass on the .444 (and that works the otherway around too).
If I had the .357 I would keep my eye out for a really good deal on a 30-30, but wouldnt feel bad if I never found one. I would also find out just how long a case my .357Mag chamber would take. Some are considerable long and I like to fill the chamber with brass even if Im using a download. Or, use the .357 brass and as long and heavy a bullet as I could in that chamber length. It might work with a 180ish rather than a 158. With all the powder selection now, you should be able to find a powder that pretty much fills the case to bullet base and gets a healthy amount of velocity. Well more than my cast bullets want, thats for sure.
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Re: need 357 MAX advice
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2010, 06:49:18 AM »
Quote from: gcrank1 on November 03, 2010, 06:32:01 AM
In a perfect world we would have one of each of whatever we want.............
In my world, and maybe yours, with the 45-70 I would pass on the .444 (and that works the otherway around too).
If I had the .357 I would keep my eye out for a really good deal on a 30-30, but wouldnt feel bad if I never found one. I would also find out just how long a case my .357Mag chamber would take. Some are considerable long and I like to fill the chamber with brass even if Im using a download. Or, use the .357 brass and as long and heavy a bullet as I could in that chamber length. It might work with a 180ish rather than a 158. With all the powder selection now, you should be able to find a powder that pretty much fills the case to bullet base and gets a healthy amount of velocity. Well more than my cast bullets want, thats for sure.

trimming the  MAX  brass  till  it fit  my handi chamber
but  not fit  other 357 [hopefully]
and  just bump  the power  up a little  was a thought too
my cast mold  is LBT WFN gc....185 grains
[also 280 grain 44 mold....444 made more since than reaming  a 44mag]

is there  some cartridge  between  the  MAX  and  magnum???
or  is  my memory failing?
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Re: need 357 MAX advice
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2010, 07:24:10 AM »
The 360 Dan Wesson is between the Mag and the Max in length. My 357 chambered the 360 brass just fine without any reaming. It would give you a gain over the mag but brass is hard to find and it's just to easy and inexpensive not to ream to Max. I did mine as soon as Tim's reamer was available.
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Re: need 357 MAX advice
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2010, 06:05:13 PM »
You can sorta get a "factory" 357 on the SB-2 frame. I sent my SB-2 frame to H&R and they fitted a 357 Mag barrel which they marked SB-2. Thanks to Tim's super reamer deal, I was able to ream out the 0.3" needed to go to the Maxi.
Like I said, "sorta"...
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Re: need 357 MAX advice
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2010, 12:54:48 AM »
Quote from: 45-70.gov on November 03, 2010, 04:31:06 AM
1 i now have the urge to have  one. Then GO FOR IT!!

2 i really like my 357 mag...and mostly shoot 38s
357  MAX  seems to be  the perfect  cast bullet round,...and  i like to cast my own
can  you suggest a better  cast bullet round????Better? that's a personal issue. its a good one and  you will find some recipes if you look for Contender loads form the early 1980's.

3 it is an  SB-1  frame
am  i correct ...this  is  a  no no??YES all current 357's are on a SB1 frame. SO WHAT!!  Unless your the type that has to push the envelope with top hand loads. The maxi will work just fine in a SB1 frame. Your use as a cast shooter makes this a non issue.

4 should i fit my barrel to an sb-2 frame Up to you
or just try all  my sb-2 frames till i find one that fits??? OK  ::) ;D

5 do they  make the 357 mag on  sb-2 frame  anymore???NO

6 should  i just get  a 30-30  or  444......[other  want to haves]
or  just use  my 44mag  or 45-70s  if i need more powerYes, Yes and Yes!!  ::) ;D

[ i wonder  how  many ''all  of the  aboves''  i will get] [quote/]

Mine is an original 158. I shoot it allot of my hand load SSP 180 bullet with AA1680 powder. Its a GREAT handi caliber, I think you will enjoy it!

CW
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Re: need 357 MAX advice
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2010, 06:57:19 AM »
Quote from: cwlongshot on November 04, 2010, 12:54:48 AM
Quote from: 45-70.gov on November 03, 2010, 04:31:06 AM
1 i now have the urge to have  one. Then GO FOR IT!!

2 i really like my 357 mag...and mostly shoot 38s
357  MAX  seems to be  the perfect  cast bullet round,...and  i like to cast my own
can  you suggest a better  cast bullet round????Better? that's a personal issue. its a good one and  you will find some recipes if you look for Contender loads form the early 1980's.

3 it is an  SB-1  frame
am  i correct ...this  is  a  no no??YES all current 357's are on a SB1 frame. SO WHAT!!  Unless your the type that has to push the envelope with top hand loads. The maxi will work just fine in a SB1 frame. Your use as a cast shooter makes this a non issue.

4 should i fit my barrel to an sb-2 frame Up to you
or just try all  my sb-2 frames till i find one that fits??? OK  ::) ;D

5 do they  make the 357 mag on  sb-2 frame  anymore???NO

6 should  i just get  a 30-30  or  444......[other  want to haves]
or  just use  my 44mag  or 45-70s  if i need more powerYes, Yes and Yes!!  ::) ;D

[ i wonder  how  many ''all  of the  aboves''  i will get] [quote/]

Mine is an original 158. I shoot it allot of my hand load SSP 180 bullet with AA1680 powder. Its a GREAT handi caliber, I think you will enjoy it!

CW

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just when  i was about to give up on the idea!!!
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Re: need 357 MAX advice
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2010, 12:20:32 PM »
LOL  ;D ;D ;D ;D  ::)

Sorry man, sometimes I have that effect of gun people.  ::)  ;)

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Re: need 357 MAX advice
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2010, 01:57:33 PM »
Oh CW,......you bad !
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