Author Topic: Crossman CO2? (Read 2161 times)

bckskin2 · « **on:** October 30, 2010, 03:16:09 AM »

I see Crossman still make a CO2 .22 kind of like the one I wanted as a kid. Wood stock, receiver sights. I think when I was a kid they were .177 with walnut stock. I get tire of pumping my old 66. I would love one of the pre-charged monster's, but can't pony up that much money. At about 600 fps that pretty good for a .22. What are the disadvantages of a CO2 vs pumper vs Springer?

jlwilliams · « **Reply #1 on:** October 31, 2010, 04:28:12 AM »

Well, the disadvantages of CO2 are only disadvantages for some aplications. Springers have become overwealmingly popular because you don't run out of gas in the field and don't need to buy CO2 cartridges. You just break the action and stick a pellet in. The trade off is that it's a harder action to cock a springer than a gas gun, but the young don't mind that effort for the return. The other drawback to CO2 is that the gas powerlet gets cold as you shoot, so rapid fire will cool the tube to the point where you lose power. That's a drawback for the semi auto type guns. Not such a big deal in the bolt actions.

If you want a pellet gun that is easy to use as a bolt action 22, then the 2260 Crosman is a good option. You can shoot a couple dozen shots off a powerlet and stick another in your pocket if you want to. The Crosman has a few things about it that may disapoint you if you had one years ago. They have way more plastic. Even the breach 'receiver' is plastic. You can buy a steel upgrade off of their web sight, but it's a plastic one when you buy it out of the box. Sheridan offers a CO2 rifle that is still all brass and walnut. I think the trigger is plastic, but the gun is overall metal and feels WAY better than the Crosman. I think they cost about $150 give or take. Almost twice the Crosman, but still way less than a pre charged. I'd say it's money well spent because you spend it once and the gun lasts a life time, but it's your purchase not mine. Another option is the Chinese QB78. It's almost exactly like the old Crosman from the 1960s. It is available either as a single CO2 powerlet model or it's available like the original Crosmans were; powered by two CO2 powerlets. More power and more shots. That's an all steel and wood gun. Non walnut, but wood, Whatever wood it is the Chinese use. I think they cost about $80 from Compasseco or Archer. I have a QB79 (same gun only it feeds from a painball tank instead of a powelet) I was impressed with the gun for the money, evn if I had to buy Chinese to get it. Archer has the QB79.

If you decide to buy the Crosman or the Sheradin, I recomend Pyramid air guns. You can order on their web sight and get it shipped to your door for less than you can buy off the shelf in a store, that's if you find what you want at a store which is unlikely. Compasseco has the QB78 and Archer has the 78 and the 79, as well as all the Chinese air rifle parts you may ever want.

bckskin2 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 31, 2010, 04:13:48 PM »

Thanks, Don't know if I can get shipped to IL. We have some screwy laws. I'll check the companies you suggested.
PS my 63 year old arms get tired pumping!

jlwilliams · « **Reply #3 on:** November 01, 2010, 04:38:30 AM »

You may need to order through a dealer, or just have one shipped to an out of state relative. Some states won't allow air guns to be shipped, but they allow you to own them. Silly. Just complicates things. We are, after all, talking about a pellet gun here.

I took a quick peek at Archer and Pyramid and didn't see anything about shipping restrictions, but that was just a quick look-see.

Good luck and please let me know what you decide to get yourself.

bckskin2 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 01, 2010, 05:14:58 AM »

The IL restriction may be only on 700 FPS+ guns

bckskin2 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 03, 2010, 03:10:01 AM »

The 79 looks like a good gun. Those tanks ain't cheap. 2 of them double the price of the gun! Dunham's has springer on sale ever now and then for about $100.00. 1=1,000 1=1,100 fps. Don't know the quality. They would be somewhat faster than my old pumper. They're probably harder to load prone than a CO2

jlwilliams · « **Reply #6 on:** November 03, 2010, 03:30:09 AM »

Quite a bit harder than a CO2 to load prone

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I do like the 79, but the tanks aren't cheap. The up side is that if you shoot a lot the cost of filling the tanks works out to much less than the cost of powerlets. For a casual shooting, the powerlets really have the convenience factor knocked. It's the smallest, lightest and easiest option. I have quite a few air guns, so I kind of ended up havin bothe powerlet guns and tankf ed (not counting the springers and precharged) so I kind of have the best and worst of both worlds.

S.S. · « **Reply #7 on:** November 03, 2010, 02:25:32 PM »

I highly recommend the QB78 from Archer Airguns.
Quality way above it's price.

casper_zip · « **Reply #8 on:** November 04, 2010, 12:24:09 PM »

The QB 78 is a huge bargain for the price. I have one, it's powerful and accurate. It's a squirrel killer for sure.

The the money, it can't be beat.

casper_zip

bckskin2 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 05, 2010, 02:58:22 AM »

Does the .177 version break 700fps? They can't ship .22 or air rifles that break 700 fps. I really wanted a .22. Would you pay the extra $10.00 for the deluxe?

jlwilliams · « **Reply #10 on:** November 05, 2010, 03:38:57 AM »

A QB isn't likely to break 700fps with typical pellets. I crono'd mine a couple weeks ago at about 600+or- on a 60 degree day. They may claim 700, but that's not a realistic number from an unmodified CO2 powered 22 pellet gun. You can tweak that sort of power out of one with a few parts swaps and a little tuning, but out of the box it won't push a lead pellet at 700. BTW, whatever the actual velocity number is, it does kill small critters so the number is irrelevant. Irrelevant except for getting it shipped to your door.

Have you contacted Steven Archer and asked him about shipping the .22 version to you? It's worth a call.

The .22 is a better option if velocity has to be below a certain number. Given the same powerplant, a smaller pellet will go faster than a heavy one, but the bigger heavier pellet will deliver more energy to the target.

bckskin2 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 05, 2010, 04:54:16 AM »

they can't ship .22 to IL. I'll see if they can ship to an FFL

jlwilliams · « **Reply #12 on:** November 05, 2010, 09:36:25 AM »

No .22 air in IL? Wow, what a pain in the backdoor.

bckskin2 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 05, 2010, 09:40:58 AM »

We can have them just have to have a Firearm owners ID card just like a fire arm. .22 or any with a vorticity of over 700 fps. That leave guns like a Red Ryder and I can't have those or I will shoot my eye out

jlwilliams · « **Reply #14 on:** November 11, 2010, 01:43:36 AM »

I was thinking more about this. If they only allow you to own 22 air rifles with a firearm ID card, why not just get it? If it's what you want to have, you should get what you want. Is the card difficult to get? In England they have a similar rule, but I can't imagine it's as hard in IL as it is there.

bckskin2 · « **Reply #15 on:** November 11, 2010, 12:00:18 PM »

I've got the FOID, but dealers won't or can't mail order to IL because of it. If I can find what I want at an Il dealer I can buy it. I think there is a 24 hr wait to verify the card.

jlwilliams · « **Reply #16 on:** November 18, 2010, 12:55:24 AM »

I was just cruising gunbroker's airgun section. There is a QB79 and all sorts of Crosman stuff. Maybe you could find what you'r looking for from a private seller?

bckskin2 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 18, 2010, 01:26:51 AM »

I bought a muzzle loader thru gun broker with no problem

bckskin2 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 19, 2010, 01:32:10 AM »

It comes with a bottle, an adapter, and a muzzle break from a RWS. Not sure why you need a muzzle break on a CO2 gun, but looks like it is worth bidding on if we can work out shipping.
There is also a Sheridan pumper that looks good if more work

bckskin2 · « **Reply #19 on:** November 19, 2010, 11:17:58 AM »

still need an ffl

jlwilliams · « **Reply #20 on:** November 20, 2010, 02:54:43 AM »

Man, what a bunch of nonsense the state puts you through. Do you have an FFL you've got transfers through before? I'd contact a local guy and explain the situation. Maybe they will do the transfer just like if you were buying a regular 22.

bckskin2 · « **Reply #21 on:** November 22, 2010, 12:29:29 PM »

He tried to sell me one of his. He Has both a .20 & .22 Cal Benjamin/Sheridan for $189.00 + tax. Also has a used under lever for $99.00. I'm seriously considering the Benjamin

jlwilliams · « **Reply #22 on:** November 23, 2010, 07:48:15 AM »

In my opinion, the Sheradins are still the best pump ups. They also make a CO2. If he carries Sheradin, maybe he'll order you a Sheradin CO2.

bckskin2 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 23, 2010, 08:22:54 AM »

even though they are slow to load there is a lot to be said for the pumps.

jlwilliams · « **Reply #24 on:** November 24, 2010, 01:10:27 AM »

Slow to load is the trade off, but pumps do give you a choise in power levels. Two pumps to knock over a pop can or to warn a dog out of your yard harmlessly. 8 or 10 to drop a rabbit from the garden into the Crock Pot.

bckskin2 · « **Reply #25 on:** November 24, 2010, 03:34:16 AM »

I started looking at pellet guns I waned as a kid. The Crosman CO2, but my best friend had a Sheridan. It was so far above any thing else in power & accuracy it was probably my # 2 choice. # 3 would be the New, at that time, springer from Europe. As I remember they could equal a Sheridan in volicity, but with a liter pellet

jlwilliams · « **Reply #26 on:** November 25, 2010, 02:53:09 AM »

You have a million options in springers today. I have a few and have owned several. Today's springers aren't limited to light weight pellets either. You can get a .25 caliber that will drop woodchucks, racoons, and I've even heard of them being used on 'yotes but I'd just go for a powder burner if I needed to shoot Mr. Wiley Coyote.

Lots of break barrel stuff out there. Right now, I'm really leaning toward a side lever. A bit easier to cock than some of the magnum break barrel guns. A little less punch that some of the most powerful break barrels, but still plenty of power. No problems ever with 'barrel droop' which, if it develops in a break barrel gun, makes the rifle useless.

I still think that if you want a CO2 22, you should find someone who will help you get what you want. It's your life and your budget, the dealers should focus on satifying your demand.

bckskin2 · « **Reply #27 on:** November 25, 2010, 11:13:51 AM »

Do you know anything about Industry Brand QB58 Air Rifles? The dealer would order the CO2 for me, but pointed out I could by the new 392 cheaper than the used CO2 and take the pumper home the same day. I didn't push him too hard he just finished with a nut case jerking his chain and was in a fowl mood!

jlwilliams · « **Reply #28 on:** November 26, 2010, 04:15:14 AM »

I don't have any experience with the QB58, though I have been thinking about getting one. Reasonable power, way better than some of the Chinese pellet guns that were in the country a few years back, and a great price. I may get one in 22 over the winter. I am thinning down what I have before I get into anything else. Also been considering a XS-21 http://bestairgun.stores.yahoo.net/xsb21.html

If he'll order what you want, I'd do that. Buy a brand new CO2 (or spring) 22 just like you really want and you'll be glad you did. Settle for something and you'll always feel like "well, this is OK. It's almost as good as what I wanted" . Your dime, your decision.

bckskin2 · « **Reply #29 on:** November 26, 2010, 05:42:43 AM »

Difference in price, but BIG difference in power!