Horrible accuracy problem SB2 in .223

[jeepmann1948]

Scary,
 Don't pay any attention to Coue's post..........  as my Granny said  "never argue with an idiot. they ain't smart enough to understand".Perhaps we could invite him to Texas and let him hold some targets for us at 100 yards, after all a hundred yard shot  aint that hard here in the Lone Star State.

Coues2506 is the exception to the rule here on GBO, it is the best site on the net
A most grateful thanks for your service to this Great Nation and the State Of Texas
 Now back to the original post topic,
 I have 2 223 Handi's that both shoot very well, I hope when you get it back from the factory it will be as much fun as mine is. Both of mine like 50gr Sierra Blitz bullets with a midrange charge of H4895 (3000 fps)
Best of luck
God Bless
George

[torpedoman]

What proof do you have that you can shoot a 1"group at 100 yards? My money is on bad shooter not bad rifle.

PROOF: There really is one in every crowd!

[scary]

Thanks for all the great info. I'm still waiting on the pre-paid shipping label from H&R to send it to the service center. I've decided  to make this a project rifle. I couldn't sleep if I sold it as is.

I'll post when I send it, and when I get it back. I'll do a range report as soon as I get it back. Meanwhile, there's a .308 in the same model for the same price.   

[moorepower]

I believed you before scary, but those are some great creds. I used to shoot service rifle with a Garand and an AR, so I know they are some real good numbers, and those that have not shot service rifle, would have an awakening shooting iron sights at 600 with a 20 m.p.h. wind. If you are shooting paper the 68-69 grain bullets, or the 75 grain Hornady bullets over some H-4895 should get you where you want to be. God bless you and your brothers in arms for serving our country.

[scary]

I believed you before scary, but those are some great creds. I used to shoot service rifle with a Garand and an AR, so I know they are some real good numbers, and those that have not shot service rifle, would have an awakening shooting iron sights at 600 with a 20 m.p.h. wind. If you are shooting paper the 68-69 grain bullets, or the 75 grain Hornady bullets over some H-4895 should get you where you want to be. God bless you and your brothers in arms for serving our country.

Thanks Moorepwr, some of my friends can't believe that people actually shoot iron sights at 1000yds. The older I get, the crazier it seems to me too

As far as Cooze is concerned, if you treat everyone with courtesy and respect, you won't get your pee pee smacked.

[nomosendero]

There's really not much need of blasting one's ability outright on the internet, but it's really strange to do so with no knowledge of the poster's background. It was about as big a case of "open mouth & insert foot" example that I have seen in a while.

I hope to see your results soon when you get it back. I would try 55-60gr. bullets first if it's a 1x9 twist.

Good luck

[Rustyinfla]

 Scary, thank you for your service to our country and welcome to the forum.

  a wise man once said never argue with a fool because to the casual observer after a while it's hard to tell which is which.

  I'd say he won't be back for a while.

[Shu]

Scary,
Nice creds and thank you for your service. Love the way you can back them up.
I normally read more than I post. You got a handi problem this is the right place to come to.
The folks here know their rifles.
R,
Shu

[Ron 1]

scary
i had a .204 h&r and it would not shoot the lighter bullets it liked the 45 gr. i contacted h&r and the result was a bad barrel h&r said they were having some trouble with that cal.
they asked me to pick a different cal.  i did the gun was returned to me in about 2.5 weeks problem free now it is a real good service dept.
im sure they will fix or replace it.  good luck and let us know how it works out..

and for having a battle of the witts with a unarmed person well done.. and thanks for your services

                 rw

[scary]

Received my pre-paid shipping label from H&R Customer Support today. I'll drop the rifle off at UPS tomorrow on my way to work.

The work request sheet had Remington at the top and asked for basic info on the problems etc.

It's apparently going to Mann & Son in Pickneyville, IL.

I'll let you guys know when I get it back.

[ironglow]

Scary;
  Keep us posted on what is found.. Great creds...welcome aboard, the guys here NEF/H&R are normally especially helpful..
   My avatar..I wore that patch in Texas.. at Ft Hood..many years ago...

[Singlepopper]

Bump! Any news on this situation?

[MSP Ret]

Hi scary, from Texas AND a Marine, no questions on your shooting ability buddy. As far as coues2506's reply, he may have phrased it a bit rough and coarse but I'm sure you can take it. He perhaps should sound off and relpy in this thread. That said, his response, although bluntly stated had some validity. I myself was thinking three things, loose scope mount (you tried a different scope), crown, and ability of shooter. The last because I don't know you. You put that last one out of the realm of possibility (thanks for your service brother) leaving the possibility of a bad crown. In any event I'm happy your getting the problem resolved and be sure to post back when you recieve your new barrel. I have a couple of Handi's in .223 and they all shoot  MOA or better every time as long as I do my part. They are very capable of it....<><.... 

[scary]

Just picked up my rifle from the mail. I was informed that "Brian" proudly serviced & inspected my rifle. The repair document stated that there were problems found:

M101 - Accuracy
M127 - Trigger pull is out of factory specs
M304 - BBL loose in receiver/frame

Corrective action/Technician comments:

"replace barrel catch, refit barrel, chamfer muzzle, adjust trigger pull, target."

The box included my original paperwork and a target with three impacts of 62 grainers @100yds. It's about a 1 1/4" group. I'll be test shooting it today to sight it back in and check it out.  I'll let you guys know.

[quickdtoo]

That's great and par for the course for Ilion, they normally do great work,  looking forward to how it does with your loads. 

Tim

[cwlongshot]

Just picked up my rifle from the mail. I was informed that "Brian" proudly serviced & inspected my rifle. The repair document stated that there were problems found:

M101 - Accuracy
M127 - Trigger pull is out of factory specs
M304 - BBL loose in receiver/frame

Corrective action/Technician comments:

"replace barrel catch, refit barrel, chamfer muzzle, adjust trigger pull, target."

The box included my original paperwork and a target with three impacts of 62 grainers @100yds. It's about a 1 1/4" group. I'll be test shooting it today to sight it back in and check it out.  I'll let you guys know.

GOOD NEWS Scary!!

Been reading but didn't post, I'll add my thank you's with the others, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!!!

Looks like the re-crowned the barrel and tightened up the latch/barrel fit and adjusted your trigger. Please post up the results!!!

 You read the FAQ's so you know, best accuracy is found sand bag resting at the front on or under the hinge pivot. Trigger is different cause of the (lawyers) Err, I mean disconnect, so be sure its pulled fully to the rear, not just enough to release the sear.

Proper latch engagement, a correctly fitting forend, proper trigger pull, a correct and stable rest are the biggest pieces of the Handi accuracy puzzle. 

CW