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Offline blind ear

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Even with an extractor a round might hang? right?
« on: August 20, 2010, 01:32:40 PM »
I finally put the pieces together (in my feeble mind) ,I think. The extractor prevents the trajectoried expulsion of a case, it does not create a solid link dead force push to "push" the case out, it is still based on spring pressure. It would still be a good idea to have a small bevel ground under a spot on a case rim in the chamber for extraction and a tree to shoot from JIC if shooting bear, lions or cape buffalo (Like I have in my neighborhood). Right?   ;D   eddie ;D  Why can't we put smiley faces in the subject title?  ;D
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Re: Even with an extractor a round might hang? right?
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2010, 01:55:12 PM »
Extractors aren't fool proof, and I've had several hot rounds stick and make it hard to break the barrel open in both the 6x45 and 260, but they've always extracted the offending case. I also had one that was really hard to break open on the 500S&W, it wasn't a hot load, just cast bullet lube on the case that I failed to remove after seating a bullet.  :-[ ::) I had to break it open over my knee to get it open, then pull the case the rest of the way out with pliers, it was that stuck! :-\

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Re: Even with an extractor a round might hang? right?
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2010, 06:59:12 PM »
I had a 25-06 stick in the chamber with the extractor, only one out of 40 did that day.  Had to use a cleaning rod to knock it out, the extractor worked fine on the rest.  DP
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Re: Even with an extractor a round might hang? right?
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2010, 08:29:54 PM »
I would make sure I tried every FAQ trick before grooving another barrel. I grooved 2 barrels and knew when I did it the trade in value was gone..... The people at the shop will not understand the purpose and if they take it at all it will be at quite a loss to you I imagine. I hardly ever sell a gun so it isn't an issue, but if you think you might trade it, you may want to wait on the groove. Just my opinion, but something to think about.
The groove does work and is foolproof if it is the method you end up going with. But once you know what powder you will be shooting you may not need the groove. When I switched to a powder with a lower CUP pressure it quit sticking unless there was a little case lube I missed. That seems to be my biggest problem getting every[ speck of case lube back off, they stick every time if there is any.  thejanitor
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Re: Even with an extractor a round might hang? right?
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2010, 09:15:57 PM »
It is an old 20 guage that is a lap gun for critter control on friends farms. I have had it about 17 years. My son killed his first deer, coyote and some squirls with it. My girls also missed the only deer they have shot at with it. I think I'll keep it.

I thought I might try a hog with it if I can get it to where I don't have to carry a stick to unstick hulls. It has an extended rifled choke that will group 2 sabot slugs real well and the third ok at a hundred yards. After three shots you got to be real close.

If the gun had a bigger hinge pin, a lug or pin could be made to stick from the hinge pin and act as a cam to push the back of the extractor when the gun was broken open. If it only pushed it a fraction of an inch the spring could do the rest, just break it free. One of the problems with the gun that currious minds haven't solved yet.

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Re: Even with an extractor a round might hang? right?
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2010, 04:54:11 AM »
In.a pinch, a car antenna of the appropriate caliber will remove stuck brass. I drive a Jeep Liberty with 30 cal antenna.
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Re: Even with an extractor a round might hang? right?
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2010, 07:10:59 AM »
That's a very definite YES...and having a case stick at an inopportune moment means you didn't do your job on the bench.  You SHOULDN'T be shooting loads that stick in the chamber once you find one...find out the reason and correct it and keep the pressure down where the cases DON'T stick.

Cutting an "extraction helper" notch is a very good thing, and I'm NOT thinking about resale value when I'm eyeball deep in alligators...so to speak.

I'm having problems with my newest stub barrel rechamber in 222RM.  The ejector won't eject so I've ordered the pieces and parts to convert it.  The chamber might be too smooth also so it will get a 320 grit roughup.  The test loads are in the 40KCUP range, 35gr Hornady Vmax and RL10X with nice triangle 3 round groups running about 1", so I have a bit more to go to hopefully find the right spot. (My 17FB sticks slightly but it doesn't have ANY sort of extractor/ejector, I just use the extractor notch I cut.)

One thing to carry in the field...buy a military M16/AR15 cleaning rod...it's in short pieces about 6-7" long and screw together...I've used one many times for many reasons not only with NEF but also with bolt guns.

Lub on cases is always a bugaboo...I use Imperial Wax and spin the loaded cartridge in a shop towel with a bit of acetone or TCE(carb/brake cleaner)...that seems to get the case squeaky clean...DO IT OUSIDE OR those products will fry you brain.

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Re: Even with an extractor a round might hang? right?
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2010, 02:03:44 PM »
It do need polishing. Factory loaded shotgun shells stuck often when I bought it but I guess it wore in. It eventually had no problem but stuck hulls come to mind when I think about standing in a regrowth or crop field looking for a hog, with nothing I can crawl on top of.  eddie
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Re: Even with an extractor a round might hang? right?
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2010, 02:25:49 PM »
Some brands of hulls are a lot worse about sticking than others.
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Re: Even with an extractor a round might hang? right?
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2010, 03:45:17 AM »
Wrap some 0000 steel wool around a chamber brush and polish the chamber real good.



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