nef pardner 410 -357 mag?

[450mar]

 Hi everyone I have never posted here before,but I have been eyeing the buffalo classic for some time,and I ordered one from cdnn testerday,was going to get one through Buds but luckily read through this forum and seen the posts about cdnn having them on sale,thanks saved me 40 bucks........

 Anyway heres my question since I am newly facinated with the handi rifles,I was wondering how good of a match a 357mag barrel would be on a nef pardner 410? I read the faq. and know it can be done but was curios as to what it will cost me to do this conversion or if they are still offering these services or barrels still,seen a few posts stating that they are not doing any conversions anymore is this true?

 And by the way cdnn told me they still have around two hundred BC 45colts in stock......................THANKS

[quickdtoo]

Welcome!! Having a 357mag barrel fitted to your Pardner frame if it was made 1987 later is as easy as sending it to H&R (minus the .410 barrel) to have one fitted, the hard part is waiting for them to make some more accessory barrels!  It's all covered on the acc barrel page. You may also fit a second hand barrel if you're the DIY type, info is in the FAQs for doing that, lots of em are bought and sold in the H&R classifieds here.

Tim

http://www.hr1871.com/Support/accessoryProgram.asp

[450mar]

 Thanks Tim, went on your link and i forgot to mention,I think its a youth model,how do you tell?by the lenght of the buttstock?
it has an 18 1/2" barrel 22" if you count the chamber,lenght of pull is 13 1/2" so it must not be a youth model eh? any way they dont list the 357mag barrel for either so they must be out of stock,I am pretty good at doing things myself and feel that I would have no problems fitting a barrel to my reciever,now I have to find one..................chris

[450mar]

 Wow, 11 pages in to the classifieds before finding my first sold 357mag barrel maybe just keep it a 410 for now? seems like a popular caliber H&R should make more of them???

[Old Fart]

I think a lot of guys are taking the 357 mag and reaming it out to 357 max.

[quickdtoo]

Even tho the acc barrel page says that rifle barrels can only be fitted to SB2 rifle frames, it's incorrect, H&R is bad about updating their website, as long as your frame serial number starts with N or H, it can be fitted with the 357mag or 44mag barrels, they don't show inventory on the acc barrel page, but recent calls to H&R indicate they have no acc barrels at this time, but will soon. It matters not what model your 410 is, all H&R/NEF single shot frames made 1987 and later can be mounted with any of their stocks with the exception of some forends on 10ga based barrels.

Best advice is put a want to buy 357mag barrel ad in the Want to Buy H&R classifieds, or send your frame in for an acc barrel and get in line for when they make some more, your 410 barrel may fit the BC Carbine frame too, so you can still shoot it while you're waiting.

Reaming the 357mag barrel to 357 Remington Maximum is another option down the road if you want more power from the 357, see the sticky on the 357 Max reamer, but you pretty much need to handload for it, factory ammo isn't common.

Tim

[450mar]

Thanks for the replys, I really just want the 357 mag and not the maximum I already have a marlin lever 357 that I handload for, this barrel would be for my son to tote around with me,and we would only have to haul one kind of ammo?? actually I am just a gun nut and any gun that can be had for little cash output is good to me    really I dont think I have ever been anywhere with just one caliber there are just to many calibers out there,to settle on one...

 Also when the BC-45lc comes in have any of you shot any cast boolits out of them,I have a Lee 300gr. c452-300-rf mold that I cast for my Ruger Bisley 45lc that has the largest metplat of any boolit I have seen for the 45lc......I have a few loads that shoot real well in the ruger hoping someone is using this mold in a handi barrel see what kind of results they are getting.....I have a nice load of 2400 that pushes the boolit mentioned earlier at 1300 out of a 5 1/2" Ruger,that I cant wait to try in the Buffalo Classic.....Thanks.........Chris

[quickdtoo]

Kurt shoots a 360gr cast bullet out of his, maybe he'll chime in on it.

Tim

[tacklebury]

Also when the BC-45lc comes in have any of you shot any cast boolits out of them,I have a Lee 300gr. c452-300-rf mold that I cast for my Ruger Bisley 45lc that has the largest metplat of any boolit I have seen for the 45lc......I have a few loads that shoot real well in the ruger hoping someone is using this mold in a handi barrel see what kind of results they are getting.....I have a nice load of 2400 that pushes the boolit mentioned earlier at 1300 out of a 5 1/2" Ruger,that I cant wait to try in the Buffalo Classic.....Thanks.........Chris

Although I haven't tried a 300 gr. yet, they work splendidly with a 255 gr. LSWC and my go to plinker lead is a 200 gr. RNFP.  The 200 gr. is loaded over 6-8 gr. Unique for a nice BP level load.  I load the 255 gr. LSWC with 9-12 gr. Unique although I still haven't landed on a really great combo for accuracy with that one.  I have good luck with the 250gr. XTP bullets for 10 gr. Unique and also have shot some barn busters with 23gr. H110, although the latter de-jacketed a few before hitting the 100 yard range.  I have also gotten decent accuracy from 300 gr. XTP Magnums and none of those have de-jacketed.  I'm really hoping to make up some FTX bullets also, but as of now, the 300 gr. mags will be used for deer this year unless I find a 300ish gr. gc'd lead that is more accurate or (hoping to try soon) the FTX bullets. 

[450mar]

   Tacklebury,I also love those XPT'S some of the best loads I have ever made involved XTP,S great boolit, just a little more money than I am willing to part with these days,thats why I cast, I still have a few pounds of wheel weights to get rid of before I have to start forking over my money to hornady full time I think you would like those 300gr flying ashtrays out of the Lee mold those things really thump,not going to expand like a XTP but boy do they penetrate and they are a gas check boolit, shot a big doe last year quartering away never found the slug just meat,MMMMMMMM..... thats why I was hoping that somebody was using this mold, I really hope I can work up a load that shoots good in the buffalo rifle,what I really hope is the load that works great in my Ruger works just as well as in the buff....Or Hornady will be getting more of my business,...why is it that I have way more Unique powder on the shelf than any other? just cant live without it,has to be the all time best bang for your buck out there for cheapskates like me,is there a caliber you cant use this stuff in? ............thanks ....chris

[gcrank1]

Unique and cast bullets.........like Mom and apple pie. 30+ years on with me and there is always a load  to make something go bang/clang. Yeah, there are 'better' powders, Ive heard, but it works for me.

[tacklebury]

Yep, I really want to try doing my own casting too.  I have a pot and am getting relations set up with some auto shops to receive their wheel weights, but my wife is a paranoid woman.  With two girls, she is really touchy about me even loading lead bullets in the house, let alone casting them anywhere near them.  I have been given access to set up in my grandfather's basement workshop, which at 90 years old is too hard for him to get down into any more.  Only issue is it has been collecting spiderwebs, dust and mold for about 15 years, so first I have to get it cleaned out and time has been at a premium this year.  At some point it will happen though.  

*edit*  Oh and yah gcrank1, I love Unique.  I use it in .45LC, .45ACP and light loads for the .45-70.  I am also starting to look at loading traditional brass shotgun shells for my 20 ga. and am planning to use Unique for my smokeless powder loads also.  I really only use 3 powders, Reloader7, Unique and H-110.  Have tried others, but in the calibers I load, these cover all my bases except black powder. 

[gcrank1]

Get a used (or tack one together) range hood c/w fan and pipe ducting to outlet the rising fumes from the pot. If you 'T' into an existing outlet (like a dryer) use a shut-off to keep from powering fumes back into the dryer. As you can see, a dedicated outlet would be best, and cheap alum. ducting is fine. Wash after casting and before sucking your thumb (ha!)and there will be no problems.
Paranoid wife? hey, all she needs is more info to see you have it under control!

[petemi]

Get a used (or tack one together) range hood c/w fan and pipe ducting to outlet the rising fumes from the pot. If you 'T' into an existing outlet (like a dryer) use a shut-off to keep from powering fumes back into the dryer. As you can see, a dedicated outlet would be best, and cheap alum. ducting is fine. Wash after casting and before sucking your thumb (ha!)and there will be no problems.
Paranoid wife? hey, all she needs is more info to see you have it under control!

All the above is why I'm not casting boolits.  I drink and smoke, so I've got enough poison in my body.  Bullets are cheaper than booze or butts.

Pete

[gcrank1]

but it hasnt affected me a bit, a bit, a bit............
(other than I get to shoot more for my money).

[450mar]

 You know its funny I have been around lead all my life, I used to cast boolits and fishing sinkers with my dad,when I was young,9-10 years old I used to hold split shot in my mouth,so that I could change them out quick as water conditions changed,now I am not recommending anyone do this but,I am now 44 years old and have three normal kids,just had blood work done my lead levels were very low,I cast on a regular basis both sinkers and boolits,,,

 Now I am not stupid, I know that lead isnt good for you (especially when fired from a gun),but I doubt that anyone that takes reasonable steps to avoid breathing,eating,licking lead isnt going to have any problems at all,I cast outside or in my barn that has good ventilation..........people have been messing with lead for hundreds of years. But now all of a sudden its the most evil thing ever placed on this planet.....WOW!!!!!!!!     

 gcrank1 has the right idea for those who cant do it outside or only have a basement...

[gcrank1]

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