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What should his punishment be ?
« on: August 09, 2010, 05:44:19 AM »
  I don't care which side you come out on in the pro/anti ME war debate, this is a question of individual integrity. Having been a soldier with a security clearance, I have no sympathy for this malefactor.
  http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB10001424052748704532204575397141587756232.html
    It is not difficult to honor your sworn duty as a holder of a security clearance, to even the most pointed question one can always say; "you have no need-to-know".
 I say, "throw the book at him"..and if it can be proven that this blabbermouth has cost one coalition or imbeddded Afghan soldier their life or limb...put him against the wall.
  It is just too easy to keep classified info secret..unless one decides they WANT to betray their country...
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Re: What should his punishment be ?
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2010, 06:52:57 AM »
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This one is a two edged sword for me.  As a US Citizen I feel that we have the right to know when, where, and how are government is operating, and IMHO the exposure of cover-ups and blatant lies is always a good thing.  On the other hand, exposing active operatives, informants, and ongoing operations (that are within the boundary of the law and consistent with the values expressed in the U.S. Constitution) is traitorous.   

Long story short...if he cost a soldier, marine, or operative his or her life he should stretch.  Otherwise he should do some time in Kansas.  If he had edited out names and ongoing operations he should have been hailed as a patriot for unveiling a truly "Inconvenient Truth."
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Re: What should his punishment be ?
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2010, 07:30:32 AM »
The PFC is a POS and ought to be shot in the head.
He raised his hand and took an oath... he betrayed the oath and his country... end of story.
Offer him no sympathy and no quarter... he doesn't deserve either.



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Re: What should his punishment be ?
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2010, 07:32:24 AM »
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Re: What should his punishment be ?
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2010, 07:37:18 AM »
HEH. Glad to see that 3 out of 4 of you got it right. Seems tm is still lost in time and conspiracy theories from 9 years ago. The soldier is indeed a traitor and should be dealt with severely. POWDERMAN.  :D :D
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Re: What should his punishment be ?
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2010, 07:47:25 AM »
Firing squad!
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2010, 07:49:16 AM »
Firing squad!
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Re: What should his punishment be ?
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2010, 08:25:44 AM »
Alot of politicians take the same oath, they also betray their country,and the citizens.

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Re: What should his punishment be ?
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2010, 04:28:33 PM »
Alot of politicians take the same oath, they also betray their country,and the citizens.

More firing squads  (can I momma, please can I)
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Re: What should his punishment be ?
« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2010, 04:45:45 PM »
Alot of politicians take the same oath, they also betray their country,and the citizens.

    And some of them deserve the firing squad also..
  Wasn't it a politician from Detroit who phoned ahead to the Commies in Grenada and told them we were coming ? IMO..he deserves to stretch also!
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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2010, 02:38:05 AM »
If he doesn't get the death penalty IMHO it will set a Precedence so others to follow, If and when they feel they are saving a whale. His Mouth ought to be stapled then he needs to be set in front of a firing Squad ,The filming of this should be from then on a Basic for all enlistee's to view also could become a first of Films in Basic training as was all ready said he Took the Oath

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Re: What should his punishment be ?
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2010, 02:43:31 AM »
If he doesn't get the death penalty IMHO it will set a Precedence so others to follow, If and when they feel they are saving a whale. His Mouth ought to be stapled then he needs to be set in front of a firing Squad ,The filming of this should be from then on a Basic for all enlistee's to view also could become a first of Films in Basic training as was all ready said he Took the Oath

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Agreed! Line him up against the wall offer him a blindfold and execute. I'd volunteer to squeeze the trigger.
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Re: What should his punishment be ?
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2010, 03:28:26 AM »
TM .some how I just figured you and WylieKy would have a lot in common.
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Re: What should his punishment be ?
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2010, 04:22:48 AM »
Well, since it's been reported that he is an out-of-the-closet homosexual, seeking a sex change, I suppose life in prison would just be a dandy place for him to be, so......firing squad!!!! Or hanging......or electric chair.......really doesn't matter, so long as he dies.
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Re: What should his punishment be ?
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2010, 04:27:05 AM »
Nice try at deflection, but we are dealing only with this one traitor..the one which opened this thread..the one who didn't mind endangering and possibly getting some of his fellow soldiers killed.
    He should be stood up , all rank, insignia and US Flag if on uniform ..torn off, put a black flag over his head and shoot him.

    In this story we have a couple disgruntled perverts, I wonder if it is not some kind of revenge motivation, wherein with their pent up confusion and hatefulness, these types feel driven to strike out at "the establishment'.
   
      http://sheikyermami.com/2010/08/03/julian-assange-gets-people-killed/

  Whatever agent approved this guy for a security clearance, should be courts-martialed for dereliction of duty...
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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2010, 05:02:31 AM »
Nice try at deflection, but we are dealing only with this one traitor..the one which opened this thread..the one who didn't mind endangering and possibly getting some of his fellow soldiers killed.
    He should be stood up , all rank, insignia and US Flag if on uniform ..torn off, put a black flag over his head and shoot him.


YEP. Agreed Sir. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2010, 09:46:14 AM »
TM7 and I do have a lot in common.  We think for ourselves.  Often times we land on separate sides of an issue, but even then I respect him for his position because it is well thought out and not a reiteration from Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbuagh, or Michael Moore.  Neither of us kowtow to a party line but have our own set of values that we abide by.  We call a spade a spade no matter whose feathers get ruffled.

Many, many people are happy to let the evening news tell them what to think, be it FOX or MSNBC.  We are not those people.  Drink your cool-aide and be happy!  As they say, "Ignorance is Bliss!"
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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2010, 10:54:37 AM »
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Many, many people are happy to let the evening news tell them what to think, be it FOX or MSNBC.

I never felt anyone told me how to think, I always figured the media/entertainers either agreed with me or they didn't.
Too many times it is said that these news shows, talk shows, or entertainers tell us how to think, the real truth it we all already had our ducks in a row well before we ever heard of any of them...they either agree with me on the issues, or they don't.  To say most Americans are "led" by these shows is actually false...most Americans (I like to think so anyway) already knew what they thought before listening to other people's views on the issues.

In most cases....the conservative view agrees with me on most all issues, but then, even the word conservative gets twisted up on what it actually means, and becomes a bad word somehow.  If there is a view that agrees with me, I'm more inclined to listen to that for longer than I would listen to views that do not agree with me, but I make it a point to tune in to the other side to see what they have to say anyways, it's only good to listen to all the news and entertainers out there to see what they all are saying. 

I already had my morals and views in place before I heard of most of these news stations or entertainers....to have people tell me that I am influenced by anyone out there is kind of an insult to my intelligence. 

Back to the original topic...hang him or shoot him...let it be a lesson to all. Then forget about it. 

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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2010, 11:25:25 AM »
He should get the same thing that Hanoi Jane should have got, and that is death.
Of coarse he will probably come back to the states and make lots of money, or maybe that just happens with movie stars. 
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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2010, 12:15:32 PM »
treason was condidered the most severe crime in England once upon a time.   They reserved the most severe punishment for it as well.....  Hanged, Drawn and Quartered.    May be appropriate if any of our soldiers lost life or limb due to his actions.
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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2010, 12:55:49 PM »
....  Hanged, Drawn and Quartered....

Actually it was half hanged etc if I recall. ;)
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2010, 03:51:31 PM »
....  Hanged, Drawn and Quartered....

Actually it was half hanged etc if I recall. ;)
The archives I have read show that if the king wanted to show some mercy he would have the condemned hanged until dead then the drawing of the intestines and quartering would take place.    However if the king was really pissed he would have them half hanged to weaken them and then continue as they were still alive and aware.   

For this punk soldier I could care less either way.
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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2010, 04:28:45 PM »
TM7 and I do have a lot in common.  We think for ourselves.  Often times we land on separate sides of an issue, but even then I respect him for his position because it is well thought out and not a reiteration from Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbuagh, or Michael Moore.  Neither of us kowtow to a party line but have our own set of values that we abide by.  We call a spade a spade no matter whose feathers get ruffled.

Many, many people are happy to let the evening news tell them what to think, be it FOX or MSNBC.  We are not those people.  Drink your cool-aide and be happy!  As they say, "Ignorance is Bliss!"

   I suppose the rest of us do not think for ourselves..being as we are just a bunch of mindless troglodites. Being in such superior company with such immense stores of intellectual capacity, perhaps the rest of us are  expected to pay verbal homage two these two advanced beings..  :o ) :D
    On the other hand I recall as a platoon sgt, having one pvt who just couldn't stay in step while marching. Whenever I spoke to him saying, "Lozon..get in step!", he would always insist he WAS in  step..  I guess he was OK; it was the other 30 guys who were out of step... :D ;D
   Could that be what we have here? ;)
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Re: What should his punishment be ?
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2010, 04:41:53 PM »
Before the world went upside down and the left took control he would have been tried and executed for treason. Made an example of. I dunno now. In this parallel world here in the twilight zone we find ourselves in he may write a book and become a celebrity.

I'm not much into conspiracy theories, although there prolly are some out there. but I do agree with "7 " about whats good for the geese!

Hmmm......... it seems that when you agree with over 70 % of the people in this country you do so because someone told you to. When you go out on a limb you are a intellectual...........?
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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2010, 06:36:47 PM »
Man, some touchy people here tonight.  Did you note that I am agreeing with you all? I was responding to a specific post about TM7 and I being alike.  However, if you are feeling a bit defensive about being a mindless troglodite, attempt to do some deep thinking and try to figure out where those feelings of....inadequacy are coming from and work to better yourself.  I would prefer someone to disagree with me because they did some research and came to a different conclusion than agree with me because Rush told them too...  

It is a soldier's job to be in step, it is a citizens job to make sure their government is.  Do you think our government is in step right now?


Hmmm......... it seems that when you agree with over 70 % of the people in this country you do so because someone told you to. When you go out on a limb you are a intellectual...........?


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« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2010, 01:30:14 AM »
  Again, we are being coached to do some "deep thinking" as if we are not capable of such a thing..climb down off your pedestal! Would you not be "touchy' had you been accused of only thinking in a superficial manner?
  Review your accusatory post (#19)..."Tm7 and I do have something in common. We think for ourselves."
    That statement by inference, is saying that the rest of us do not think for ourselves. While not denigrating your opinions, I see no indications among the posters that they consider you and TM7 as superior, elite beings, extraodinarily gifted in thought processes..that is a crown you claim for yourself! ::) :D ;D  
   That attitude smacks of an Obama-pelosi-Wm Ayers..elitist complex.. ;D
 Enjoy this forum, but don't expect accolades and a rose-petal-strewn path for your "superior mental faculties" over others who post..  :-*
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« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2010, 02:36:22 AM »
IronGlow your are correct. IMHO He doesn't understand what he wrote He did in fact do, as you stated.
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« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2010, 07:46:13 AM »
Again, people try to put me into a pigeon hole.  To clear some things up, that post was directed, specifically, at beerbelly.  I've never put anyone on ignore, because I enjoy differing opinions, but there are two people that frequent this board who are close because I've never seen a well thought out statement or one that was anything but dribbled hate for what ever subject we're on. *hint: IG and Tommyt ain't them*  I don't think asking people to do a bit of research on their own and refrain from following the rest of the lemmings is terrible.  The fact is that sometimes the herd is running to the only water in 50 miles, and sometimes it's being led off a cliff.  On any given subject, set emotion aside, take a step back an look at the facts and come to your own decision.  

As far as some of you trying to make me out to be some kind of liberal radical, I'll go over a couple of my key beliefs.  Abortion is murder, gun control is begging for a dictator, drugs should be legal, capital punishment is not used enough, universal helthcare is a universal failure, welfare and unemployment should have strict time limits, student led prayer is great, teacher led promotion of homosexuality is terrible, gay marriage is not the governments responsibility, I don't think all Muslims are bad, and don't think all Jews are good, blah blah blah.

 I don't really have a party, closest one I've found is the Libertarian.  I've never voted for a Democrat, and always wish I could vote for something other than the Republican.  

If you took offense to my statement before, I'm apologize.  Unless you don't think for yourself.  Then I'm don't.
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« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2010, 08:35:39 AM »
Wylie;
  Thanks for the clarification and I'm sure we agree upon more than what we disagree about. Of course, just because one is not "running with the herd", such doesn't guarantee that one is correct. Although far from universally true, very often the ones who form "splinter groups" are the ones doing the crash & burn trick. Exhibit..James Jones' Guiana deal and the Hale-Bopp gang. Still, there are the Gutenburgs, Luthers, Copernicus' and Jonas Salks..to crush any hard and fast rule.
  If I were too fast to seize upon the "inference' idea..my apologies..
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« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2010, 10:45:19 AM »
He performed an act of Treason, and in my openion he should be hanged or shot.  But the wife reminded me Clinton took the Death Penalty away from the military.  So life in prison is the maximum he can get.  I cannot say what will happen to him once he gets to Ft Levenworth, I respect GBs rules.  Let's just say he will be a nice little bug, and get lots of attention.
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