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Offline charles p

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Think my grandson will be left handed
« on: July 23, 2010, 03:45:16 PM »
My only grandchild, a boy, will be three on Halloween.  Looks like he will be a lefty.  I've only got two kids and one has no children yet (to be married in May 2011).  The current heir apparant of my extensive right handed rifle and shotgun collection is the grandson (or his dad).  Problem is, the kid is going to be a lefty - I am pretty sure.  At least he does stuff left handed.  He might not be left eye dominent.  Too soon to tell.  His mom is a pediatrician.  She says it is not possible to test yet.

Thinking about getting some Thompson Contender barrels to use with old TC frames.  I have two frames at the moment.  Neither are G2. 

From what I have read, the same barrels fit the old Contender and the G2, but the stocks are different.  Correct me if I am wrong.

Probably get him a .22LR and a .223 barrel for starters.  Probably a 7-30W will work when he is old enought to deer hunt from my lap.

What has been your experience?  Anyone teethed a grandkid on TC products.

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Re: Think my grandson will be left handed
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2010, 05:06:18 PM »
Not a grandkid, but I started my daughter off on a Contender carbine, once I found she was left eye dominant. She's right handed, and does everything right handed, but she's left eye dominant. I would wait and see which eye dominance your grandson settles down with before you jump to conclusions about right or left shooter.

Like you, I have a whole safe full of right handed rifles and shotguns, and a kid that shoots lefty...

Irony, that.

I got my daughter a 22 lr bbl and a 6.8 spc bbl. She struggled with the Contender as a shooting platform. She had a great deal of trouble opening the action, even with a "cheater bar" attached to the lever, she couldn't do it without quite a struggle. The frame in question was a pre-easy open frame, which is the only type I have. My daughter has smallish hands, and just doesn't have the hand strength required. The other issues were, first, she would forget to cock the hammer. Not every time, but often enough. Then she'd have to struggle with the lever again to recock the mechanism. Sometimes she would also forget to switch the hammer block off on the hammer spur. The resulting "CLACK" on the frame would confuse her and we'd start the whole process of cocking it all over again. Really not that big a deal at the range, but a big deal when either small game or deer hunting.

The last issue was the weight. The barrels I bought were "current" production barrels, which are bull barrel profile. They are heavy. The over all result is a rifle that is pretty nose heavy for it's over all weight, and it can be harder for smaller folks (kids) to hold it up, with all that weight sitting out at the muzzle. The best solution to this problem was presented by Ladobe, who kindly sold me a very light weight 6x47 bbl for her. That made all the difference in the world as far as balance went. She had no trouble holding that up. It's 18" long and a super featherweight profile.

On stock sets, I don't think you asked, but I couldn't find a "youth" stock anywhere. I ended up deciding to just get a full size stock and have it cut down. I bought her a walnut stock set to start with, but when it arrived, it looked too good to turn loose with a kid, so I bought a synthetic set for her. I still have the walnut set, and use it for me. I had the buttstock cut down and a pad put on it by a local gunsmith here in Phoenix. He did a good job. Stock fit is very important to new shooters, kids, etc, and I think it gets overlooked far too often. Make sure whatever you pick to start with, that the stock fits the shooter now. Not something "they'll grow into". One of the advantages of going Contender is the buttstocks are relatively cheap. I just wish the comb height on the buttstocks were made taller for scoped barrels. I consider that a design flaw.

I have since bought her a lefty bolt action Savage 22lr for plinking and small game. She likes that much better, and it's easier for her to manipulate all the functions of the rifle, load, cock, safety, etc. Plus it's lighter in weight than the 22lr bull barrel on a Contender frame.

The same barrels USUALLY fit both frames. All 3 of my "current production" barrels lock up and fire on both my pre-easy open frames with no problems. That may not always be the case. You may have to stone the locking lugs to get a particular barrel to fit a particular frame. You can also get new lugs from TC. The only barrel I have that gave me any issues was an earlier production 17 Rem carbine bbl. I had to swap the lugs on that barrel to a new style lug, but then it worked fine after the swap.

The buttstocks are different. G2 will not interchange with earlier frames, you are correct. The forearms however, are dependent on which barrel you are using, not the frame it's going on.

Any other questions, just let me know here or by PM.

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Re: Think my grandson will be left handed
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2010, 12:55:13 PM »
Don't label your grandson yet when it comes to his shooting, writing or engaging in sporting activities. I am an ambidextrous shooter who shoots both left and right handed. With a pistol I am a bit better left handed and a long gun better right handed. This carries through to many other regular and sporting activities. I would suggest you look at 3 tell indicators to see which hand he prefers to use which would give you a clue. Which hand does he use to brush his teeth and which if you give him box of crayons which hand does he color with first. Even when I had a broken left arm I could not retrain myself to effectively brush my teeth or color within the lines with my right hand. Fine motor skills are defined at that level for me. If he is going to be a true lefty then he can learn to use pumps and lever actions but the breakopens are great for him to expand his horizons with. I use a prohunter frame with an assortment of barrels and the TC is in my opinion the best of the breakopens for a lefty as the breakopen lever and stock are built for equal opportunity shooters. By that I mean I have a Blaser K 95 and a K97 O/U which I dearly love but you have to operate the lever to the right with your right thumb the same as your Superposeds and the stocks are built for right handed shooters. I would look at a 22 LR, 22 Hornet, 20 ga, 223 REM 243 WIN and 308WIN barrels for him to use as he grows. Invest in a few extra butt stocks so you can adjust as he grows and don't skimp on his comfort. Sell a few of the rifle and shotguns in your collection to fund the project as you were going to give them to him anyway and he needs proper tools to learn with. Pick up a couple left handed bolt action REM 700 or Ruger 77's as you see them over the next few years so he learn to operate a bolt with the correct hand. A Marlin 39 lever action, Rem Fieldmaster pump or Ruger 10-22 can be used for repeating 22 lr rifle training. Best of luck teaching him the finer lessons in life.

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Re: Think my grandson will be left handed
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2010, 12:58:57 PM »
I am in the exact opposite situation from you. I am left handed and everyone else in the family is right handed. The last few years I have been buying ambidextrous guns so that they will be of use to the kids and future grandkids. I have all the left hand stuff I need, so why not help the younger generation.

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Re: Think my grandson will be left handed
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2010, 02:13:45 PM »
And to add.....Don't immediately discount a lefty's ability to adapt to a right handed world. That's why statistics say we live shorter lives on avg.. I'm left handed, and left eye dominant. I have never even picked up a left handed gun, and aside from a few bullpup stocked weapons (where the bolt handle would bash into my chin), I've readily adapted to most anything I've ever handled. Today, I would be lost with a left handed anything in my hands, with the exception of my bow. I am ambidextrous with tools too. You must be to survive and keep all your digits since they are all designed for a right handed person.

I do love my Encore. But I am no less proficient with any of my right handed bolt rifles, and have even had people swear I carried a semi-auto to the stand with me while hog hunting when I had several pigs come in and killed as many as I could.

 If a lefty never shoots anything but a righty gun, they will never know any different. The learning curve might be extended a bit. But ultimately, they will learn.
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Re: Think my grandson will be left handed
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2010, 07:15:14 PM »
I'll add this to the discussion:

I am right-handed, left-eye dominant.  I shoot left-handed.  I have a cousin who is left-handed and right-eye dominant.  He shoots right-handed.  As has been suggested, don't make assumptions on eye-dominance based on handedness, or vice versa.

The T/C Contender with the barrels you've mentioned would be a good idea, regardless of which hand he winds up shooting with.  That's kind of the great thing about the Contender.  It's pretty much ambidextrous by its very nature.

He'll probably need help opening and closing it for a while.  I've got a 14 year old nephew that can barely open my Contender (despite the fact that I had absolutely no trouble with such an act at his age...).

If he does turn out to be a lefty shooter, he'll probably still have no trouble adapting to most right-handed guns.  The bolt-actions might give him some trouble adapting (some say no, but I personally hate reaching over the gun to work the action), but pumps, lever-actions, and semi-autos shouldn't be a problem at all.

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Re: Think my grandson will be left handed
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2010, 03:10:20 AM »
It's amazing how the human body can adapt to almost any situation....

I have a friend who lost vision in his right eye due to an accident.  He is right handed, and he shot right handed.  He had to teach himself to shoot left handed so that he would not be craning his face over the stock to aim with his left eye.  After much practice, he is as good of a shot he ever was, and that's darn good!

All of his guns were right handed, so he has had to learn to shoot them left handed.  Most of his new firearm purchases are ambidextrous or right handed.  However he cannot shoot my right handed thumbhole stocks.

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Re: Think my grandson will be left handed
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2010, 02:31:35 AM »
However he cannot shoot my right handed thumbhole stocks.

Most thumbhole stocks are very hand specific.  There are some out there that aren't (some of the AK-47s and FALs that came in after the '89 Import Ban are examples of ambi-friendly thumbholes). 

Another problem for lefty shooters is the bull-pup.  In some cases, there's just no way to make them work.  The Steyr AUG (and direct clones) can be set up for left-handed operation, but then a right-handed person can't shoot them.  I think Fabrique Nationale is on to something with their FS-2000 and P-90 bullpups, though.

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Re: Think my grandson will be left handed
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2010, 02:58:23 AM »
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I'm left handed, and left eye dominant. I have never even picked up a left handed gun

I had a left handed friend growing up who shot left handed but only used right handed guns. Everything seemed to work ok for him too.

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Re: Think my grandson will be left handed
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2010, 05:25:20 AM »
You guys really have me thinking now.  I am the one who started this thread.  I'm certain I caused questions for my parents.  I write, eat, and do precise things with my left hand, yet all athletic endeavors are right handed.  I am right eye dominant.  When I was my grandson's age I am certain my parents thought I was completely left handed. 

My grandson's mom is a pediatrician.  She is not the least bit curious about which way he will evolve, and I shouldn't be either I suppose.  My wife is totally left handed so two of his four grandparants are left handed.  His mom and dad are right handed.  He is ----- normal, and the greatest grandkid on earth.  That's good enough and I am greatful for that.

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Re: Think my grandson will be left handed
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2010, 12:45:40 PM »
I am right handed and was taught to shoot by my father who was left handed.I shot everything(all right handed rifles) left handed and never had a problem,till I entered the Marine Corp and they made me see the error of my ways and made me shot right handed which worked out pretty good as I shoot either way now.
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Re: Think my grandson will be left handed
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2011, 07:42:50 PM »
I was in a bind.  I have a 9 y/o that is right handed and left eye dominate.  I started him shooting right handed with an eye patch over his left eys.
No problems shooting a rifle.  He has an eye patch or a pair of eye glasses that has a flip blinder over the right eye.

My youngest son is ambidextrous.  He uses his left hand to eat/write.  I started him off as soon as I could teaching him to shoot right handed.
He has no problems.

The reson for this techniques, the entire gun safe I have is all right handed guns.  Too expensive to swap out for left handed guns.