Author Topic: 45acp barrel (Read 1876 times)

marine · « **on:** June 18, 2010, 03:49:36 PM »

hi everyone! New to the forums and i have a question. Is there a place that i can get a 45acp barrel or complete rifle from? I would love to have a companion for my 1911.

HPBTmatch · « **Reply #1 on:** June 18, 2010, 04:33:05 PM »

Welcome aboard!
Ditto on wanting a .45acp barrel. Unfortunately your only option at this point is a custom barrel. The popular route to take is a stub conversion on a 20ga barrel. I believe there's a write-up on in in the FAQ's.
Also, someone did a poll here on what new barrel they'd like H&R to offer, and .45acp was a popular choice, although I don't think anything will come of that.

-Match

bikerbeans · « **Reply #2 on:** June 18, 2010, 05:01:53 PM »

Marine,

IF you go the T/C Contender route I think they offer the 45 ACP in a rifle barrel. I think for the H&R you are looking at a new barrel/stub project or maybe a rebore/rechamber. The only .452 diameter handi barrel I believe is the 45 LC and it is a rimmed cartridge, plus I think the brass is longer than the stubby 45 ACP so probably not a good candidate. The folks with the real gunsmithing experience should chime in shortly. Good luck with your project. One other option, there are 16" barrels in 45 ACP available for the 1911. You could have a pistol and an assault rifle on the same frame!

BB

Dinny · « **Reply #3 on:** June 18, 2010, 05:12:30 PM »

We have at least one esteemed member here that has such a barrel. His was a stubbed barrel. Luckily the .45ACP and 30-06 share the same case head dimensions and that made the extractor/ejector a non-issue.

Thanks, Dinny

myarmor · « **Reply #4 on:** June 18, 2010, 06:09:50 PM »

Yeap were is MSP and Larry

-Aaron

marine · « **Reply #5 on:** June 19, 2010, 01:26:00 PM »

stubbing is out of my league. i read larrys project for the 30 carbine. very nice work! thanks for the replies. i have had trouble finding anything for the t/c rifles. i could check into some custom barrel makers as well. money is the limiting factor though and was my reason for the handi rifle. i was also considering the 45lc carbine, that would make a neat gun too.

myarmor · « **Reply #6 on:** June 19, 2010, 02:32:54 PM »

marine, sorry about my manners... welcome to GBO

I would love to have a little camp rifle in an ACP, Marlin made a few semi-auto ones a few years ago, and they can still be had if ya look around enough.
If you look around you should be able to find a suitable length 45cal barrel, that would work for a stub job, but you might have to settle and get a 45cal blank, and have a chamber cut...more $$.
The 45Colt is sounding a little better now huh?

My advice is if you don't want to spend a lot of $$ and have a cheaper shooting barrel in a pistol config, grab a 357 or a 44Mag.

gjdykeman · « **Reply #7 on:** June 20, 2010, 12:46:07 AM »

Quote from: myarmor on June 19, 2010, 02:32:54 PM

marine, sorry about my manners... welcome to GBO I would love to have a little camp rifle in an ACP, Marlin made a few semi-auto ones a few years ago, and they can still be had if ya look around enough.
If you look around you should be able to find a suitable length 45cal barrel, that would work for a stub job, but you might have to settle and get a 45cal blank, and have a chamber cut...more $$.
The 45Colt is sounding a little better now huh?
My advice is if you don't want to spend a lot of $$ and have a cheaper shooting barrel in a pistol config, grab a 357 or a 44Mag.

Just for tits and gits, I have fired a number of 45acp rounds out of my 45 LC barrel. It was just an experiment. I used a rubber o-ring around the case head. They fit right in and action closed, being a little stiff. Fired dozens of rounds. The also extracted. I have also fired them out of my 410, using lead balls, 440, pushed into the case, and trail boss. Not very accurate in the 410 but fired well. In the 45 colt about as accurate as a 410/45 survivor. Just to see if it would work. It did.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #8 on:** June 20, 2010, 04:27:34 AM »

Hi guys, sorry for the late reply. I do have a .45 ACP Handi with a ported SS barrel and it is a great trail companion and a fine camp gun. I have always had a fond spot in my heart for that old warhorse and used to shot 1911's competitively and I know just how accurate they can be. I also like thier stopping ability with the lack of excessive penetration. By reloading, and with the versatility of a single shot, there is not much that the .45 ACP cannot be used for. There is even a .45 Super that is an outstanding big bore cartridge.

"Q: The December issue's Gun of the Month is chambered for a round called the .45 Super. What exactly is the difference between the .45 Super and the .45 ACP?

Jim Golden

Dobson, NC

A: In a word, power. The .45 Super is a beefed up .45 ACP case and drives a 230-grain bullet at 1,100 fps and 185 grainers as fast as 1,300 fps. Developed by Dean Grennel, the .45 Super was made by shortening .451 Detonics cases (which had a beefier case based itself on the .45 Win Mag) to .45 ACP length, reducing the firing pin hole to keep primer flow under control and adding heavier recoil springs. Fitting a barrel fully supporting the chamber is a big plus. Although .45 Super will chamber in a .45 ACP barrel, shooting such will batter an unconverted 1911 to pieces in short order.

Today, Buffalo Bore (P.O. Box 78, 100 Freeman Creek Rd., Carmen, ID 83462, 208/75

6-8085, www.buffalobore.com) is one of the only companies currently making .45 Super ammunition. Starline (1300 West Henry, Sedalia, MO 65301, 660/827-6640, www.starlinebrass.com) makes reasonably priced high-quality .45 Super brass."

MSP Ret · « **Reply #9 on:** June 20, 2010, 04:33:12 AM »

My .45 ACP Handi was made up for me by a gunsmith that cannot be mentioned here. It was made on a stubbed 20 gauge barrel stub and was made to my spec's. If someone else wanted on made to whatever thoer specs might be I am sure he would make another. I believe he may have already made one or more for others who have contacted me for the info. If interested just e-mail me and I will forward you the info. My Handi in .45 ACP is someting I always wanted and I am very happy I had it made and how it worked out. I (and Tim as well, perhaps others) have also had a .35 Remington made up from a .357 Mag barrel and speak highly for that as well. I can only suggest that if there is a caliber you really want in a Hnadi, have it made, it will give you great satisfaction and you will enjoy shooting it and owning it....<><....

also, Welcome aboard Marine....<><....

bikerbeans · « **Reply #10 on:** June 20, 2010, 04:38:48 AM »

MSP,

I picked up 11 boxes of Old Stock 45 Super (185s & 200s) made by the Texas Ammo Co. The 185s chrono 1300+ and the 200s chrono 1260+/-. Modified my 1911 to shoot them and hoping one day to get a whitetail with the 200 grainers. I think if you shot this stuff in an unmodified 1911 with the stock recoil spring you might end up with a slide print in the middle of your forehead. I think this ammo in a short handi barrel would be awesome. Now if I only knew someone with a 45ACP Handi, I could let them try a few of these.

BB

marine · « **Reply #11 on:** June 21, 2010, 05:31:10 AM »

I can tell already that you guys are gonna be a bad influence on me

. I need to give some thought to this carbine idea that i have. Too bad H&R doesent check out this sight. Seems to me they would have incredible demand for a 9mm, 40, or 45 auto caliber rifle for us autoloader guys. maybe i just need one of the trappers and a good revolver to go with it. Oh well my wish list seems to never stop growing. Again thanks for the replies, great forum.

Flynmoose · « **Reply #12 on:** June 21, 2010, 12:20:38 PM »

I have an Encore carbine barrel in 45acp and it is a blast to
ring the gong with. It takes a while to cover the 100 yards
to the gong but really smacks it! It is cheap to load for and
a bunch of fun to shoot. Friends and I call it the GONGBUSTER!
I would recommend a 45 acp carbine barrel no matter what it
is mounted on. Try one, you'll like it!

myarmor · « **Reply #13 on:** June 21, 2010, 03:08:53 PM »

Quote from: gjdykeman on June 20, 2010, 12:46:07 AM

Quote from: myarmor on June 19, 2010, 02:32:54 PM
marine, sorry about my manners... welcome to GBO I would love to have a little camp rifle in an ACP, Marlin made a few semi-auto ones a few years ago, and they can still be had if ya look around enough.
If you look around you should be able to find a suitable length 45cal barrel, that would work for a stub job, but you might have to settle and get a 45cal blank, and have a chamber cut...more $$.
The 45Colt is sounding a little better now huh?
My advice is if you don't want to spend a lot of $$ and have a cheaper shooting barrel in a pistol config, grab a 357 or a 44Mag.

Just for tits and gits, I have fired a number of 45acp rounds out of my 45 LC barrel. It was just an experiment. I used a rubber o-ring around the case head. They fit right in and action closed, being a little stiff. Fired dozens of rounds. The also extracted. I have also fired them out of my 410, using lead balls, 440, pushed into the case, and trail boss. Not very accurate in the 410 but fired well. In the 45 colt about as accurate as a 410/45 survivor. Just to see if it would work. It did.

Pretty cool, I have never heard of this before. interesting to say the least, thanks for posting it.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #14 on:** June 21, 2010, 03:41:53 PM »

Hi Bikerbeans, I have been a bit tardy in repling lately and have a bunch of things going on, sorry. I have sent you a PM and would really be interested in buying a box of those 200 grain .45 ACP Supers from you in a little while...Thanks and I hope you find the info interesting. Contact me again for any info on the .45 ACP Handi (I think there is a picture of it posted somewhere on this site) and if you have the inclination to get one I highly recommend you do, they are truely a great gun....<><....

oldsoldja · « **Reply #15 on:** June 21, 2010, 04:24:14 PM »

off to get some o-rings on tuesday

marine · « **Reply #16 on:** June 22, 2010, 04:12:31 PM »

I didnt know that the t/c custom shop will chamber a barrel in 45 acp. good way to go.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #17 on:** June 22, 2010, 04:37:02 PM »

Better get it while you can, the TC Custom shop is closing, at least for a while.

Tim

http://www.tcarms.com/customShop/

marine · « **Reply #18 on:** June 22, 2010, 04:58:53 PM »

why are they closing?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #19 on:** June 22, 2010, 05:48:14 PM »

Click the link!!

Tim

tacklebury · « **Reply #20 on:** June 22, 2010, 07:13:31 PM »

I've got a .45 LC Classic and it went back to the factory for some chamber work and they decided they needed to replace the barrel, but have discontinued that barrel. Thus if you want a .45 LC, better move pretty quick. Once they are gone from stock, they aren't making any more according to my rep. I am now working with my dealer to get a replacement gun instead, since H&R isn't fixing the issue. Good luck to ya. $:-\$

marine · « **Reply #21 on:** June 23, 2010, 04:48:22 AM »

thanks tim. I guess i was having one of my moments

. what exactly is the issue with your barrel tacklebury?

bikerbeans · « **Reply #22 on:** June 23, 2010, 06:53:17 AM »

Hi All,

I got to stay away from this Forum, I have already used up my birthday presents for the next 8 years. The wife says "I thought the 357 was going to be your last Handi". To paraphrase Bill Clinton, it all depends on what "last" means.

Anyway, back to the topic, just sent off the money for my 20 gage stub barrel. I have a line on a used 45LC Barrel, off a lever gun, that is cheap and with some machine work on the breach face and a rechamber I might have something. Turns out there is a GBO member who lives about 10 minutes from me who has stubbed a number of different barrels. Maybe if I am real nice I can talk him in to one more! (Jed, you probably think I am referring to you)

Going to talk to MSPs smith also. Just looks like a fun gun and if you use 45 Super or a cutdown 460 rowland case you can shoot a fairly high pressure round. Of course there isn't much case capacity to let you work with the slower burning powders, so a short barrel is probably the only way to go.

BB

Lefty Dude · « **Reply #23 on:** June 23, 2010, 07:49:08 AM »

If you want a 45ACP load for a 45 Colt and reload, try 45 Cowboy Specials. This case is a cut-down 45 colt case to the 45 ACP length with the proper case taper, like an ACP. This is not a 45 Auto Rimmed case, a 45 colt shortened, it is.Many Cowboy Shooters are using them with reduced loads and full loads.
They are getting good preformance and accuracy with this round.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #24 on:** June 23, 2010, 08:09:56 AM »

" I think this ammo in a short handi barrel would be awesome."

and:

"Of course there isn't much case capacity to let you work with the slower burning powders, so a short barrel is probably the only way to go."

two quotes from this thread that allude to my way of thinking, that the old warhorse, the .45 ACP, in a short barreled Handi becomes a very handy Handi....<><....

tacklebury · « **Reply #25 on:** June 23, 2010, 04:54:43 PM »

Quote

thanks tim. I guess i was having one of my moments . what exactly is the issue with your barrel tacklebury?

Well, I bought a new .45 lc Buffalo Classic back in February. I also bought stuff to reload it and my new .45-70 BC also. I have a Ruger New Model Blackhawk and wanted the carbine for my deer gun and to interchange ammo with the Ruger. I took her out and shot a couple times and noticed a big bulge forming in my case at the rear, even with very light, ie. 6gr unique with 200gr lead light, loads. If I shot some of my hotter Ruger loads, ie. 23gr H110 under 300gr XTP Magnum, the bulge was even worse. I had my gunsmith buddy look her over and he said the chamber was 25 thousandths over size. She shot like a dream, ie. 1.5-2" groups at 100 yards with iron sights, but I knew this was going to excessively work-harden my brass, cause early failure and that I should return it. I contacted my dealer and he got a new one coming that I swapped for. I took this gun out and shot a few rounds out of it and it did it also, only to my disgruntlement, it did it ahead of a flat area at the rear, so now the bulge was not stopping, but was restricting ejection and I had to snap the barrel down to get it to move or use my muzzleloader range rod to knock them out. So I called the dealer back and they ask me to get with H&R to see if they would correct the issue. When I called them, they were nice enough, but wouldn't give me a shipping label etc and that ticked my dealer off. He told me to bring him the gun and he'd deal with it. It took him one call to get a label in route and I left the gun with him. That was late April...

Then last week H&R called me and said there was nothing they could do to fix it and since they had discontinued the model, I would have to pick a different caliber!!! I said no I want a .45 colt, it's the companion to my ruger in the same caliber. He told me point blank they weren't making any more barrels and if I didn't want a different caliber, he'd have to return it as is. So now the dealer is trying to work with his warehouse to get me back my other one at least, since it was more accurate and at least ejected ok. He was going to have them check the others in stock and see if any have a better chamber also. Hoping to hear one way or the other tomorrow or Friday.

marine · « **Reply #26 on:** June 23, 2010, 06:17:27 PM »

i had the same issue with a 30-30 and ended up selling it. got all my money back out of the deal. glad to know of this and i think i will stay clear of those.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #27 on:** June 24, 2010, 01:49:02 AM »

Sorry to hear of the problems with the .45 LC barrels, it was a caliber that was on my "to get" list. But there is one thing for sure, Tacklebury has a great gealer, I sure wish the shops I deal with were as good as his is....<><....

P.S. - has anyone had a good .45 LC barrel or are they all as described with swollen chambers, some better some worse?

Dweezil · « **Reply #28 on:** June 24, 2010, 08:16:51 AM »

Mine seems to be ok...even with stout Ruger-T/C loads...but now you're making me nervous. I do have some tight extraction problems with heavy loads and Alliant Blue Dot but none with Alliant 2400--both behing 300GR XTP's. This was summer time shooting and Blue Dot seems to have a pressure jump when it gets hot.

*Update* Just went home on my lunch break and checked those fired cases. No case bulges on the light loads behind 200grain lead bullets, none with very heavy loads of Alliant 2400 using 300GR XTP's. Definite bulges about 3/16-1/4 in front of the rim on those loaded with Blue Dot. If it matters, those without bulges were loaded with Remington brass and those with bulges were with Starline brass. Looks like, in my rifle at least, the chamber is a bit too large but it only becomes a problem with certain powders and with stiff loads. On those loads with Blue Dot, there were definite pressure signs on the case head and the primers were "ringed." No more Blue Dot for me. Arizona heat+heat sensitive powder=bad medicine.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #29 on:** June 24, 2010, 11:48:18 AM »

45LC extraction problems have been mentioned several times, the extractor itself is to blame tho, it's too high, usually just on one side for some reason, a touch up with a dremel or file will eliminate that issue. I've not had any problems since even with hot 460S&W loads.

Tim