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Offline moto357

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cva mountain rifle patch box
« on: June 18, 2010, 10:36:01 AM »
i'm rebuilding a mountain rifle from cva for my dad. his is the older style, marked made in USA on barrel and 4 screw patch box. bought a nice maple stock for it but the patch box is quite different. where could I find a box to fit the stock i now have?? im assuming its a newer style stock?? only has 2 screws, one at each end. any help would be appreciated.

the old one polished up nice, but doesn't do me any good with this stock! anyone wanna trade?

thanks ahead for any help with this

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Re: cva mountain rifle patch box
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2010, 06:44:53 PM »
The original Made in USA MR stocks were also maple, with a 4-screw patch box.   Approximately when CVA went to Spainish barrels the patch box changed to 2-screw and had a different pattern (shape).   Later they offered walnut stocks with the 2-screw PB too.   Anyway, Deer Creek Products bought out CVA's sidelock parts inventory, so they are you best bet for original parts.   No website, but a call to them will get you covered.   765-525-6181
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Re: cva mountain rifle patch box
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2010, 07:04:53 AM »
Won't the old patch box overlay the new stock's patchbox inletting, covering it ?

If it does, it's not very hard to re-inlay and or glass bed the old patchbox lid & surround/sideplates into the new stock.

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Re: cva mountain rifle patch box
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2010, 01:15:41 PM »
completely different, no chance of setting the old one over the new stock
 
i ordered something from numrich, but dont know which style patch box it was.  says silver and the old one is brass so perhaps its a newer style, just like the stock i got?  we'll find out in a couple days!  if not i'll be calling deer creek for sure

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Re: cva mountain rifle patch box
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2010, 01:54:40 PM »
Moto357 I assembled one of those CVA Mountain Rifles from a kit around 1977 or thereabouts.  The barrel was made in Spain, but the cap box was held on by 4 little screws.  It was made out of "German Silver", not brass, like the TC Hawkens of that time period were.  You may be in luck.

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Re: cva mountain rifle patch box
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2010, 09:04:27 AM »
The two different style's of German silver patch boxes (not brass) are not even close to being interchangable.   A stock already inletted for one couldn't be converted to the other and look good (going either way wood missing from the original inlet would show).   Sounds like your new stock is 2nd gen.   Who knows what's still left over in the bins at Numrich, but they could have to right one.   If not Deer Creek is the best bet for a new original 2nd gen patch box.

jlchucker  - you have what I call a transitional kit rifle.  

A little of the MR history I've put together over the years may be of interest.   It comes from a collection of CVA catalogs and the examples of dozens of rifles owned by others that I've conversed with...  The 1st generation MR's were first available sometime in 1975 (they were not in the 1975 catalog, so a new model added during the year).   Then sometime in 1976 the MR's started the transition from the specifications of the "Made in USA" 1st generation rifles to those of the not so marked 2nd generation MR's.   The 1977 catalog specs only the 2nd generation MR (Spanish barrel, 2-screw patchbox, round thimbles, etc).   "Transitional" because there was overlap on some of the 2nd generation rifles having parts on them that were left over from the earlier model (stocks or stock parts, barrels, thimbles, etc).    Who knows how long these transition rifles/kits were done by CVA.   Adding to the confusion are rifles that over the years have been altered from their original configuration by an owner.   The MR's transitioned again in 1989 when they were changed to a premium model with fancy walnut srocks (with no patch box), hand polish metal and other changes they deemed "premium".   Also a very few of the earliest rifles where not marked Made in USA, but they had higher grade wood to distinguish them.

Regardless, they are all such great RB shooters that they do have a strong following.  

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Re: cva mountain rifle patch box
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2010, 05:40:59 PM »
54cal big bore mtn rifle.


This is an early model one year only mtn rifle. I used a deer creek trigger guard on it as it allowed much more room for a gloved trigger.  This was originally set up for a 15/16" barrel but i opened it up and dropped in a .58cal barrel from deer creek.


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Re: cva mountain rifle patch box
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2010, 06:46:17 PM »
thanks for the info guys, interesting stuff to say the least

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Re: cva mountain rifle patch box
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2010, 04:42:48 AM »
Ladobe, that's nice to know infor re: the CVA Mt Rifle that I used to have.  A number of years ago, when I had an urge for a lefty caplock gun, I let a friend who'd been borrowing my CVA talke me into selling it.  He'd been whacking down deer with it regularly, and still does.  You're right--those were great round ball shooters.  Much better than the Lyman Great Plains rifle that I eventually ended up with.  My CVA not only shot round balls with accuracy, but Maxi's and saboted cast bullets as well.  I know that the twist of those CVA's isn't right for saboted bullets, but mine didn't seem to care.  I've been kicking myself for letting my CVA slip away, every time during deer season that I go to the local general store and see my buddy weighing in another whitetail.  By the way--Bigblock's CVA 54 Cal is a fine looking specimen --with exactly the same cap box that my former rifle had.  I wish that CVA still produced these fine rifles, either as completed rifles or in kit form.  Version 1 would likely interest a lot of blackpowder purists. 

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Re: cva mountain rifle patch box
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2010, 09:08:15 AM »
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I've owned a lot of TC sidelocks since I got the first one almost 40 years ago - Hawken's, Renegade's, Cherokee's and Seneca's.   Still have a TC Hawken 36/45/50 switch barrel/switch lock and a first year Renegade 54/12GA switch barrel.    But my first year CVA MR 45 capper will outshoot any of them.    Others groaned at the bimonthly shoots of a local free trappers group I used to go to when I pulled out the MR... 'cause it seldom missed.  LOL   Same with my CVA Siber 45 target pistol - hands down the most accurate traditional pistol I've ever seen.   Sold most of the other old CVA's I had the last few years, but do still have a 36 Squirrel.   For fit and finish the TC's may win out over the CVA's (except for the Siber), but for serious shooting I'll take the MR and Siber every time.
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Re: cva mountain rifle patch box
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2010, 10:32:01 AM »
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I've owned a lot of TC sidelocks since I got the first one almost 40 years ago - Hawken's, Renegade's, Cherokee's and Seneca's.   Still have a TC Hawken 36/45/50 switch barrel/switch lock and a first year Renegade 54/12GA switch barrel.    But my first year CVA MR 45 capper will outshoot any of them.    Others groaned at the bimonthly shoots of a local free trappers group I used to go to when I pulled out the MR... 'cause it seldom missed.  LOL   Same with my CVA Siber 45 target pistol - hands down the most accurate traditional pistol I've ever seen.   Sold most of the other old CVA's I had the last few years, but do still have a 36 Squirrel.   For fit and finish the TC's may win out over the CVA's (except for the Siber), but for serious shooting I'll take the MR and Siber every time.
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I wasn't going to bring it up, but now that you mention it--I was so disgusted with my Lyman Great Plains rifle that I got into a conversation with my gunsmith buddy--and the upshot of that was that I had a Thompson Center Hawken barrel mated up to the breech of the Lyman.  A little better, but not anywhere near as good as my old CVA MT rifle.  Never shot the Siber pistol.  I wish they'd bring back the MR. Especially if it's the first version with a US barrel.  I had a CVA caplock side-by-side shotgun once.  That was pretty worthless IMO.  My first caplock rifle was a Dixie--the model that pre-dated their Tennessee rifle.  I got that in 1972.  I guess I've been at it on and off for 38 years.  Never thought about it.  Time flies when you're having fun.  Too bad some of the better guns flew off the market.

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Re: cva mountain rifle patch box
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2010, 05:12:38 PM »
just so everyone knows, i ordered the unknown patchbox from numrich and it is the two-screw design which fits the new stock i bought.  im quite anxious to finish this project for dad now, im sure he'll like it 8)