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Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« on: June 17, 2010, 06:55:47 AM »
Just got my first 45/70 (H&R Buffalo Classic 32" barrel) last week, first one I had ever seen or touched, so have no prior expierence with this cartridge. Until my reloading goodies come in, I picked up a box of Federal Power shoks. The box states a 300gr Speer Hot-cor SP at 1880fps from the muzzle. Recoil on a scale from 1-10 I would rate at a 5, this being with my .444 levergun and Hornady ammo at a 6.  My Buffalo Classic has the curved to shoulder steel plate for a butt plate not too bad with these factory loads at all.

My question is at what weight bullet and what FPS are you guys shooting your Marlins and single shots and at what point is it uncomfortable to shoot?

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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2010, 06:59:15 AM »
About like shooting a 20 ga.
less if you shoot the 405 Cowboy loads.

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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2010, 07:35:35 AM »
Last year I hunted with 300gr Barnes TSX @ 2400 Fps in a standard blue/synthetic handi.  Shooting game is no problem.  The bench on the other hand is another story.  I can only go about 12-15 rounds before my accuracy starts suffering and i have a pretty high recoil tolerance
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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2010, 07:51:23 AM »
jason045 has it right.  Shooting off the bench, the butt is usually high on your shoulder and you're leaning into it.  It nails your collar bone and your body can't roll back with the recoil......accurate sure, but a poor position to shoot in unless ya got a lead sled.  I'm shooting 405 gr. at close to 2000 fps.  They don't bother me at all.....unless I'm shooting off the bench.  Doing that could get you other ailments also, such as scope-eye.  You don't want to get that combat badge from your .45-70.

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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2010, 08:11:06 AM »
dirty 30,

I think the Hornady Lever Gun ammo is about as much as I would want to shoot from a 45/70 BC with a steel butt plate.  I think the  LE ammo is 325 grain @ just over 2,000 FPS.  I would not do it from a rest, but either, standing or kneeling.  As Pete said, it is a different world when shooting a rested gun.   If you plan on reloading hotter loads and shooting from a bench then you might want to look at recoil pads, adding weight to the stock and maybe a shooter's recoil pad for your shoulder.  You need to let the tip of that curved buttplate gouge you once to learn a good lesson. 

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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2010, 08:31:51 AM »
dirty 30,

I think the Hornady Lever Gun ammo is about as much as I would want to shoot from a 45/70 BC with a steel butt plate.  I think the  LE ammo is 325 grain @ just over 2,000 FPS.  I would not do it from a rest, but either, standing or kneeling.  As Pete said, it is a different world when shooting a rested gun.   If you plan on reloading hotter loads and shooting from a bench then you might want to look at recoil pads, adding weight to the stock and maybe a shooter's recoil pad for your shoulder.  You need to let the tip of that curved buttplate gouge you once to learn a good lesson. 

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Hey BB...you still black and blue from your encounter with that curved butt plate...man that hurts me just thinking about it  :'(

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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2010, 09:12:35 AM »
If'n ya shoot the danged thing once in a whilst, ya could be black and blue the rest of yer life.

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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2010, 10:04:02 AM »
Pete,

I can't find my Yooper dictionary.  What does "whilst" mean in english? ???

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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2010, 10:13:12 AM »
I want to get outta the .45/70 some of what it is supposed to be, meaning much more transfer of energy than my .444 gives. I don't see myself at the moment going over 350grains for the .45/70 at least not for a while. I do consider adding a 1lb steel weight I have taken from another H&R and adding inside the stock, as long as it balances which in this case I think it will improve balance of the rifle. Also a recoil pad is gonna be in my future too. Truth be told, this rifle probably won't do anything but shoot paper, but still I like a good push on the shoulder and a boom that makes neighbors cringe  ;D It might get around to blowing up a deer sometime though!  :)

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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2010, 10:38:53 AM »
Pete,

I can't find my Yooper dictionary.  What does "whilst" mean in english? ???

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Main Entry: whilst
Pronunciation: \ˈhwī(-ə)lst, ˈwī(-ə)lst\
Function: conjunction
Etymology: Middle English whilest, alteration of whiles
Date: 14th century

chiefly British : while

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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2010, 01:04:43 PM »
Just got my first 45/70 (H&R Buffalo Classic 32" barrel) last week, first one I had ever seen or touched, so have no prior expierence with this cartridge. Until my reloading goodies come in, I picked up a box of Federal Power shoks. The box states a 300gr Speer Hot-cor SP at 1880fps from the muzzle. Recoil on a scale from 1-10 I would rate at a 5, this being with my .444 levergun and Hornady ammo at a 6.  My Buffalo Classic has the curved to shoulder steel plate for a butt plate not too bad with these factory loads at all.

My question is at what weight bullet and what FPS are you guys shooting your Marlins and single shots and at what point is it uncomfortable to shoot?

I reload a cast 405gr at the trapdoor level and I'm ready to give up at 30 shots in my BC.  At 40 shots I curl up in the corner and wimper.   :'(  I'm going to put on a lace-on pad as soon as I can find one I like.  Yes, I've looked at the ones in the FAQ, and I don't like any of them.  My BIL does leather work, I'll have to see what he can do for me.

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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2010, 01:18:02 PM »
I also load 405 grain to trapdoor levels.  I"m perfectly satisfied with the accuracy and power of those loads.

That's not to knock the heavy loaders.  If you want to push a big bullet to fast levels, go for it.  That's what this hobby is all about.  Personal enjoyment.  For myself, my trapdoor loads whack these little Louisiana deer just fine.  For myself, I'll stick with the lower end of the power curve.

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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2010, 01:33:27 PM »
Pete,

I can't find my Yooper dictionary.  What does "whilst" mean in english? ???

BB

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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2010, 02:09:56 PM »
Dirty 30,

My apologies for corrupting your OP with the 14th century english lesson.  Sometimes it is hard to keep us old fellows on message.

You can fill the stock bolt channel in your BC with lead shot.  Doesn't affect the balance much because of the longer barrel.  Also, I have seen, but never used, recoil reducers that will fit inside the 7/8" bolt channel. 

Good luck with your shooting & load development. 

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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2010, 02:47:36 PM »
Of the factory loads the only one I have any use for is the Remington 405.  It's fun to shoot and will kill anything.  Adding weight to a hunting rifle seems like a bad idea to me.
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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2010, 06:28:19 PM »
Thanks for the opinions! I happen to like a little 14th century English lesson in the middle of my posts, hijack on!   8) 

I know I could be perfectly happy WHILST shooting tradpdoor type loads, plinking loads  or factory ammo but I gotta try wild and mild, like someone above said, its the fun of shooting.

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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2010, 09:15:52 PM »
Sorry about the Old English lesson..just thought I could answer a questioned asked. As to fun loads to shoot above normal factory loads these is a plethora of post about the wild and hard kickers on this forum.You can go from super duper to insane levels real quick like so be careful on component choices.

Getting a 300 grain load to 2300-2400 is easy to do and will hit very hard on both ends unless you prepare yourself for it. Loading the 350 grainers up to 2200-2350 is also quite easy to do and having the 400 grain bullets at 2000-2100 the same.The extra barrel lenght will give you a good lee way on this,more so than the normal 22" versions. In a un-modified Handi you will see real quick once you touch one off the reason most folks who do load to these levels say to add weight to the stock and get a good recoil pad on them instead of the metal curved plate..I say the same and also add a soft cheek piece of some kind to the stock as well.Doing so makes them more fun to shoot for longer periods of time. I and others have good luck with IMR 4198 and H4198 and the 300 grain loads.They are deadly on just about anything you could want to hunt here in the good ole US of A. Accuracy with these are good to exceptionally good..same for Hornady's 350 grain bullets and even the good Remington 405 grain bullet and also the Cast Performance gas checked WLNGC bullet.http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp Pick up a Lyman "M" die to bell your cases with..it does an excellent job over the standard offerings and also a Lee Factory Crimp die..another wonderfull addition to use even though you are using a single shot,this one allows for even bullet pull and can help with the accuracy of your loads.

Again..sorry for the reference to the definition earlier

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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2010, 04:31:45 AM »
Mac, my .45-70 wears 36 ounces of #4 shot in the stock.....just maybe that's why I don't mind the recoil ???

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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2010, 05:15:48 AM »
Mac, my .45-70 wears 36 ounces of #4 shot in the stock.....just maybe that's why I don't mind the recoil ???

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That just might be a real good reason Pete... :D :D

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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2010, 05:29:46 AM »
Hey Mac
Information on 45-70 is useful, but can you tell me source of old english dictionary???

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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2010, 08:40:28 AM »
Hari,

Mac is the english professor for GBO.  Pete and I are students struggling for a passing grade. ;)

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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2010, 03:51:01 PM »
The great thing about the 45-70 is that the recoil level can be whatever you want it to be!  From less than 20 ga. level recoil, to shoulder breaking recoil, if you reload it can all be yours!

I shoot mostly 405 gr. at about 1500fps and am happy ;D
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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2010, 05:01:31 PM »
Hey Mac
Information on 45-70 is useful, but can you tell me source of old english dictionary???

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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2010, 05:18:46 PM »
I would rate trapdoor recoil on a "2.5" on a one to ten scale, medium loads a "3.5", and levergun-Ruger loads a "6", they can get snappy in a Handi!

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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2010, 09:04:38 AM »
Hey ya'll, first-time poster here! I have a Classic with around 25 oz of lead shot in the stock AND a Kick-killer leather lace-on recoil pad. I reload 'soft lead' 500gr 3-band Postell boolits in Remington brass over 35 grains of RL-7 and the recoil is about the same as my pop's Sporter in .223... really easy on the shoulder, although there is a good amount of barrel climb (you should see what these freight-trains do to a 300+# wild hog! What a riot! Haven't had one move more than 5 feet, if at all.) This is after 10 of the Hornady LeveRevolution 325gr ate my shoulder up at the bench with only the metal butt-plate (even these are very manageble with these two recoil-dampeners... maybe about 30-30 recoil?). Btw, the 325gr Hornadys are *awesome* on whitetail... consistent thru-and-thrus at the shoulder of the beasties! No running, just Boom! Thwack! Thud! What a great shell! 45-70's hung the moon, imho ;D!
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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2010, 09:18:30 AM »
I bought a Bob Allen Absorb-A-Coil Shotgun Recoil Pad at Walmart for $10.00 on close out at the end of hunting season.  Past makes a similar pad.  Most of the year round we shoot in t-shirts because of the heat.  When you're wearing one, recoil isn't noticeable.  When you are hunting without one recoil isn't noticeable.

It's a lot better than boogering up your gun with weights and pads.  Slip on and lace on pads make the pull excessive and added weight makes a Handi unhandy.
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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2010, 09:26:20 AM »
"Slip on and lace on pads make the pull excessive and added weight makes a Handi unhandy"

Very true, Swampman (btw, glad to make your acquaintance :)!). I'm not sure I would try either on a Handi myself, but on the BC with 32" of barrel, it works for me! And I must be some kind of mutant, I *love* a hefty trigger-pull! Don't know why ???
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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2010, 09:27:58 AM »
Weight in the stock of a BC helps balance out that 32" barrel.
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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2010, 09:35:56 AM »
So does a hacksaw ;D
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Re: Your thoughts on .45/70 recoil...
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2010, 09:50:30 AM »
Shortening the barrel would shorten my sight picture (iron sights) and cost me as much as 150 fps on some loads MV.
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