slip on recoil pad for BC (oh and first post!)

[aussie rich]

Hi everyone.

First of all I would like to say this has to be the best forum site I have ever been on.  The amount of information I have gleaned about the NEF/H and R rifles has been enormous, so thank you all. This has been really useful for me as they are not well known over here is Aus, which is surprising to me as I have owned one before and was impressed by the quality and value for money, it was a standard Handi in 45-70. I have lost count of the times I have walked into local gunshops and asked about NEF/H and R rifles and got blank looks back!!

I have been a fan of the 45-70 for a long time, and now I have finally decided to continue the dream and get myself a long barreled version, and the BC is the ideal choice for me. I have managed to get my local gun shop to order me one in, but the shipment won't get into the country until late July/early August. That is Ok, it gives me some time to get cases and dies etc together.

My concern is that I would like to get a slip on recoil pad, as I have had previous rifles with the curved steel but plate and being of slight build, frankly they hurt! And at the moment I am not keen on cutting up the stock to mount one permanently.  From what I have read the Limb Saver or Pachmayr Decelerator would be first choice, but as I don't know the dimensions of the stock end of the BC, and the above mentioned products come in three different sizes, I was wondering if anybody has used these products before and knew what the correct size was?

I would also be mail ordering the recoil pad also (much cheaper) so this is a case of me trying to order a part I have not touched in real life for a rifle I have not seen in real life.

I know this is a bit of a strange situation, but if I can have all the components together when the BC arrives, I can get to the range the same week it arrives, because I am super keen to get a few shots off!! (and of course submit a range report )

Sorry about the long winded post

regards

rich

[petemi]

Hi Aussie and welcome. Tim'll be along soon to let you know which Limbsaver to get.  I think it's going to be a grind to fit,  I'm not sure, but he knows which to get.  It's just now 7 a.m. where he lives and he's probably just making coffee.

Rich, I am curious.  Are recoil pads placed under the same dumbassed restrictions as gun parts in Aussieland?  Also, are you planning to hunt the big Buff with the .45-70?  I'm hopeing my 22 inch standard will be hunting black bear this Fall.

I don't have a BC, so I can't comment on the metal butt plate.  Mine's got the standard factory recoil pad.  I'm only 150 lbs. and I haven't found a .45-70 load that bothers me much.  I'm now shooting 405 gr. Remingtons at close to 2000 fps.  I believe recoil consists of 3 factors.  50% in your head, 25% muzzle blast, and 25% felt recoil.

Enjoy your new rifle.  It'll certainly take the starch out of a dingo


Pete

[reclusej]

Welcome aboard aussie rich, I can't help you with the size you should get but I have a slip-on
Limb Saver on my Remington 870 12ga shotgun and it does what it says. I really recommend
the Limb Saver to help with recoil. Good shooting, reclusej

[quickdtoo]

Welcome aboard Rich! 

A small slip-on works great on the BC stock, you can go with the Limbsaver type or a lace on which actually works best, the small Limbsaver works, but is a bit loose. I use a Galco on my 45-120 BC, it looks nice and fits well, easily removed when you want, there are pics and links to sources in the FAQs. You can also cut the stock off and add a small grind to fit for a custom fitted pad.

We have several other members here from OZ, at least two that I'm aware of that have BCs, Bernie (dodd3) has a nice one with a Smith sight.

Tim

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,141465.msg1098562924.html#msg1098562924

Just so ya know, we also have a Hunting in Australia and Pacific forum down in the Country Specific section. http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php#13

[Big Blue]

WELCOME!!

My concern is that I would like to get a slip on recoil pad, as I have had previous rifles with the curved steel but plate and being of slight build, frankly they hurt!
rich

It even hurts those of us with less than a slight build! Mine actually cut my shoulder shooting off the bench. Maybe a bit more extreme than you would like, but I cut my stock straight and added a grind to fit Xcoil pad. Made a world of difference.
Don

[dpe.ahoy]

Welcome and yes, those metal butt plates can hurt!   I shoot alot just for fun, and it ain't fun if yer gettin hurt.  Makes it real easy to develope a flinch if ya ain't careful, too.  If a slip-on slides around it can affect yer groups, could always put some stiffer rubber under it to fill in the curve and flatten it out.  DP

[necchi]

Ya know,,that curved butt plate looks good an all,,but they where not made to fit any shoulder.

They are made to fit the upper arm next too the shoulder.
 All you need to do is a short study of firearm history and see the development of the butt. The BC butt is pure asthetics, just for looks and not for function, they where made for 45-70 and trapdoor charges.
 Expecting a butt like that to function properly with custom chambers and big loads is for those that should expect a hard hit and bruising. That's kinda why they have those wide decrative cheeks on traditional muzzle loaders, it's about fit.

Ain't fer me,    A proper fitting slip on,,even custom made buy the owner will help the shooting and maitain the original look and value

[gcrank1]

Or, get another Handi 'pallet wood' stock c/w recoil pad to bolt on and you are good to go. Fancier walnut is available too.

[bikerbeans]

Aussie,

I solved the problem of the curved stock and metal butt plate by trading for a nice laminated set.  I installed the BC stock set on a 22" 45/70 and proceeded to shoot low end trapdoor loads w/330 grain cast lead. These light loads still caused me a big problem.   Like Big Blue I received a cut shoulder, but it was an internal bleeder not a surface wound.  Be a couple of weeks or more before I shoot anything besides a rimfire or a pistol.

For what it is worth, the BC stocks cutoff square with a nice recoil pad look very nice. 

BB

[briannmilewis]

G'Day, I am the token GBO Aussie living stateside, originally from Melbourne and surrounds, living in the Kansas City Metro area, Missouri side of the line.

I am recoil woos too. I put a Small Limbsaver slip-on on a Tracker II 20g Rifled Shotgun, that I also added about 20oz of shot to the stock.

Went from 5 slugs shots and 3 weeks for my shoulder to recover, to 15 shots and not a single sore muscle in my shoulder or anywhere else the next day. Limbsavers work!

Welcome to GBO, it is a great place to hang out.

Brian

[mrussel]

Hi everyone.

First of all I would like to say this has to be the best forum site I have ever been on.  The amount of information I have gleaned about the NEF/H and R rifles has been enormous, so thank you all. This has been really useful for me as they are not well known over here is Aus, which is surprising to me as I have owned one before and was impressed by the quality and value for money, it was a standard Handi in 45-70. I have lost count of the times I have walked into local gunshops and asked about NEF/H and R rifles and got blank looks back!!

I have been a fan of the 45-70 for a long time, and now I have finally decided to continue the dream and get myself a long barreled version, and the BC is the ideal choice for me. I have managed to get my local gun shop to order me one in, but the shipment won't get into the country until late July/early August. That is Ok, it gives me some time to get cases and dies etc together.

My concern is that I would like to get a slip on recoil pad, as I have had previous rifles with the curved steel but plate and being of slight build, frankly they hurt! And at the moment I am not keen on cutting up the stock to mount one permanently.  From what I have read the Limb Saver or Pachmayr Decelerator would be first choice, but as I don't know the dimensions of the stock end of the BC, and the above mentioned products come in three different sizes, I was wondering if anybody has used these products before and knew what the correct size was?

I would also be mail ordering the recoil pad also (much cheaper) so this is a case of me trying to order a part I have not touched in real life for a rifle I have not seen in real life.

I know this is a bit of a strange situation, but if I can have all the components together when the BC arrives, I can get to the range the same week it arrives, because I am super keen to get a few shots off!! (and of course submit a range report )

Sorry about the long winded post

regards

rich

 Walmart carries the Limbsaver slip on recoil pads. They are branded as Winchester "By Limbsaver" and are the exact same pads. The only difference is they cost 20 bucks at walmart rather than 35.

[aussie rich]

Thanks very much for all the info guys, I really appreciate it.

Hey Pete, I'm more of a paper puncher than chasing after the real thing, shooting groups with cast bullets and old fashioned rifles is my kind of thing. While I think that hunting for the table is a great thing, over here it is a lot less do-able than in the States, it is more a part of your culture than here. As well as far more restrictive firearms laws, unless you live out in the country (I an urban dweller myself) or know someone with a big enough property, over here it is very time consuming and expensive to chase the game. 
To my knowledge buying mail order within Aus you can get anything without a problem as long as it doesn't go bang, guns, powders, primers. Getting stuff in from the US is an entirely different matter....  IF you can get approval to import, it generally costs twice the $US in $AUS, eg my BC is well over $AUS 800 plus permit to acquire. Putting it into perspective a standard Marlin levergun in 45-70 is around $AUS1300 and one of the Italian Sharps copies would be well over $AUS2000. , even with the $AUS at .90cents US!

Still its something we love to do

regards

rich

[tacklebury]

I use the limbsaver small slip on pad for my BC 45-70 and .45 LC models.  It fits tight and won't fall off.  You can also purchase the Winchester brand for about 1/2 price and it's literally identical.  Walmart stocks them here for 19.95 as opposed to the 38.xx I spent for the first limbsaver.  I found that on the standard stocked ones, a medium fits well.  Hope it helps.

[wiresparker]

Hi Aussie
after seeing how poorly the wood matched the reciever I installed a grind to fit pad and reshaped the rest of the stock to a much more pleasing profile. the wood stands proud by near an 1/8 inch as recieved. yes, I lost most of the checkering but can't stand the poor apearance of the factory stock.
later, dude
wiresparker

[dustyfromtexas]

Aussie, I just posted this info elsewhere but didn't read your post until after , sorry for the re-info guys! I use a lace-on leather Kick-Killer pad (and about 25 oz of lead shot in the stock). Very nostalgic-looking! Try it, you will like the difference in felt recoil !!!

[quickdtoo]

Welcome Dusty, you newbies will find the info discussed in this thread and a lot more in the FAQs and Help sticky. 

Tim

[aussie rich]

Hey guys

Again thanks for the info.

This is the best forum on the net, hands down!!!!!!!!!!!!

regards

Rich

[mrussel]

Hi everyone.
My concern is that I would like to get a slip on recoil pad, as I have had previous rifles with the curved steel but plate and being of slight build, frankly they hurt! And at the moment I am not keen on cutting up the stock to mount one permanently.  From what I have read the Limb Saver or Pachmayr Decelerator would be first choice, but as I don't know the dimensions of the stock end of the BC, and the above mentioned products come in three different sizes, I was wondering if anybody has used these products before and knew what the correct size was?

rich

 Man up! I saw Crocodile Dundee,you Aussies are supposed to eat ground glass for breakfast!! 

 Seriously though,I have a Limbsaver slip on recoil pad on my H&R 12ga and its great (its better than great,it makes it so I can actually shoot it without leaving dinner plate size bruises). I think they list what size slip on you need on their website. I also think they may make a custom fit screw on one for the handi rifles. That might be even better.

[gcrank1]

I cut up an old leather mil sling that was dry rotted into stips and stacked/glued them together to fill the curve of the buttplate. Some 'profiling' with a power sander made the filler match the stock and it, under the slip on pad, worked like a charm (Im a recycler). The foam idea is good if you have the right density stuff, or even carve up a nice softwood filler piece that mates to the compound curves of the buttplate well and  is flat backed. These will lengthen the pull, though it may fit you and not mess up the original stock or cost much (just the pad) to try.