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Offline charlesr

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« on: November 24, 2003, 02:08:06 PM »
I have just fired my M48 Mauser in 8 x 57 and experienced backed out primers on each shot.  Do I have a headspace problem?

I had the rifle checked by a gunsmith who said the headspace seemed good to him.
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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2003, 02:33:43 PM »
Charlesr:

What ammo are you firing, surplus, factory, or reloads?

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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2003, 03:47:35 PM »
I am using hand loads.  150 gr. Hornady Spire, 43 gr. IMR 3031
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2003, 06:04:15 PM »
Charlesr:

Sure looks like mild load.  

It kind of puts you in the 20 question mode.  Is it the cases, the load, or the rifle.

1.  Have you fired factory loaded ammo with the same negative results.

2.  How many times have the cases been reloaded?

3.  Did you ream out the primer pockets or could they be oversized for other reasons.

4.  What is the history of the cases?

5.  Are the cases the proper length?

6.  Does the bolt stick after firing?

7.  Have you miked the case head of the fired rounds for expansion?

8.  Is the rifle clean of storage grease in the barrel?

9.  The orginal 8x57 had a grove diameter of .318.  It was later changed to take a .323 diameter bullet.  This change was made in 1905 but I have read of .318 barrels showing up in later rifles.  This is a real outside shot.

10.  Have you pulled the bullet from one of your reloads and re-weighed the powder charge?

Years ago I was given a bunch of once fired .243 cases.  The owner was a back door relative who did not reload.  I was never around him when he fired the rifle.  He discribed gas leaks and other problems. On examination the rifle seemed to have a very sloppy action.  If I recall correctly it was a Mossberg Model 800.  He had decided to retire it.  I knew that I was not interested in it.  I was foolish enough to take all that free once fired brass.  I loaded 20 cases and started having problems with cracked cases.  A closer examination of the cases showed that they had stretched to the limit in that Mossberg.  I pulled the bullets from the remaining loads.  I then crushed all the brass with pliers so the next reloader would not try them.

Even when I buy new bulk brass I resize it, and trim the necks.  I then size the brass.  At times I use military brass and have to clean the crimp out of the primer pocket.  Care needs to be taken not to remove to much material.  If a new primer goes in to easy, dump the case.
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2003, 05:01:44 AM »
After posting my question I realized what was happening.  I'm loading 7 x 57 brass and fire forming with the first shot.  I'll neck size for the second firing and should be ok.
Charles

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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2003, 05:49:28 AM »
charlesr:  8x57mm loaded ammo,hunting ammo and brass is plentiful.  Sellier and Bellot make some fine, and very inexpensive ball and soft point ammo in 196 grain for the 8mm and it is great stuff.  At the price it is offered I would not bother reloading it unless I wanted some super special loads for something.  When I saw your last post about the 7x57 brass it made me shudder.  Glad you didn't wind up hurting yourself.  Mikey.

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2003, 07:16:39 AM »
Backed out primers are usually a sign of low pressure, but in your case I believe you are correct about the fireforming. Lots of folks do it, but I'm just curious as why you don't just use the 8mm brass? Thats alot of case stretching for a case that is readily available.

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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2003, 04:47:55 PM »
Thanks for the information.  I was not aware I was doing something so dangerous.  I have ordered new 8 x 57 brass.
Charles