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Hay Tim, No problems
« on: June 01, 2010, 09:16:29 AM »
Tim, I am reading these post where all these guys are having problems with their Handis.  I am really shocked about some of the problems encountered.  Man I just shake my head and think about how glad I am, that I don't have problems like that.  With the exception of my .35 Whelen, none of my Handi's have ever failed to fire.  My Whelen is a standard Handi frame with the longer RMEF barrel.  It failed to fire factory ammo when I first got it.  Sent it in and they fixed it, no problems since.  I shoot both factory and hand loads in all my guns. 

If a gun ever fails to fire my confidence in that gun is gone and it's out of here.  I can not afford to have a gun that misfires period.  So far the only ones that ever did fail was a Taurus and a Remington.  Both have new homes now.
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Re: Hay Tim, No problems
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2010, 09:41:16 AM »
I've had my share of problems with failures to fire, all have been solved, I'd not get rid of a gun due to a simple mechanical failure that's easily fixed, it can happen anytime to anyone, things change, parts wear out, unfortunately usually when you least expect it.  :-\

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Re: Hay Tim, No problems
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2010, 09:45:21 AM »
If I was in Rogers shoes I wouldn't want any misfires either...wouldn't be a good thing if you were face to face with a brown bear. :o



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Re: Hay Tim, No problems
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2010, 09:50:43 AM »
I wouldn't be hunting with a single shot anywhere big bears would be expected in the first place, so it's a moot point, as has been said before, Rog is bound to be bear scat sooner or later.  :'(

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Re: Hay Tim, No problems
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2010, 10:01:10 AM »
I wouldn't be hunting with a single shot anywhere big bears would be expected in the first place, so it's a moot point, as has been said before, Rog is bound to be bear scat sooner or later.  :'(

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Tim thats all I have,singles. I have never need more than one shot with a good 45/70 cartrage and score to date is nine black and two brown. I have found I can reload a single about as fast as most bolt gun users and faster than many with my #3

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Re: Hay Tim, No problems
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2010, 10:09:32 AM »
That's not something I'd brag on, but suit yourself, doesn't seem to be real smart to me, specially with Rog's coveted ejectors that are known to fail on occasion, and certainly not without a back up gun (preferably a friend with a big gun) on dangerous game.

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Re: Hay Tim, No problems
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2010, 10:41:17 AM »
C'mon Tim... where's your sense of adventure. :D ;D



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Re: Hay Tim, No problems
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2010, 10:43:17 AM »
Right behind my sense of wanting to live long and prosper!!  ;D

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Re: Hay Tim, No problems
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2010, 11:45:33 AM »
Thousand of rounds and never a problem. Critters are the same today as ever and black powder singles did it all for a hundred years and arrows and spears before that

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Re: Hay Tim, No problems
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2010, 12:11:47 PM »
Yeah, I'm sure there are a lot of others that thought the same way, if they were still alive after their bear encounter they would strongly disagree. If you feel the need to live dangerously and risk your life going it alone dependent on a single shot, have at it, most hunters have more common sense than that, I'd include myself among them, being over confident and arrogant can get a man killed.  :-\

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Re: Hay Tim, No problems
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2010, 12:38:12 PM »
I know 2 brothers who guide in Northern Canada for brown bear.  Thier clients can take a single if they want to, they however keep thier clients safe, one with a 45-70 Co Pilot with the scout scope, the other a really beautiful English 375 Holland & Holland double.

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Re: Hay Tim, No problems
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2010, 12:52:19 PM »
I know I'd have my 44mag strapped on my hip, but heck I do that when I'm not in bear country.  You never know when you will need a backup, and besides it is easier to swing one.  I have taken a couple of nice deer with my handgun when there was no way to get turned on them with a rifle.
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Re: Hay Tim, No problems
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2010, 03:52:41 PM »
Thanks, the consensus there agrees with my position, that is dangerous game, IE grizzly/brown bears as opposed to black bears, aren't normally considered single shot quarry without backup by anyone with a little common sense;)

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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2010, 04:10:33 PM »
I'd give it a go.  Living to be old isn't all that.  I've never had a problem with any of my Handis.
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Re: Hay Tim, No problems
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2010, 04:22:22 PM »
I'd do it.



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Re: Hay Tim, No problems
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2010, 04:30:17 PM »

For me..it would entirely depend on the range and what Handi I had with me at the time.I have absolutely no use to hunt any DG up close and personal like with a single shot. Since I don't live in bear country,nor do I choose to do so,if traveling into big bear country hunt,I would make durn sure the guide had a suitable back up gun along and knew how to use it and could hit what he was aiming at . I would hate to get in a foot race with him,and I am sure he would too since I can run exceedingly fast when necessary   :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: Hay Tim, No problems
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2010, 04:35:03 PM »
...I would hate to get in a foot race with him,and I am sure he would too since I can run exceedingly fast when necessary...

Foot race with who? the bear? you only need to out run the guide.
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Re: Hay Tim, No problems
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2010, 04:48:51 PM »
...I would hate to get in a foot race with him,and I am sure he would too since I can run exceedingly fast when necessary...

Foot race with who? the bear? you only need to out run the guide.


I could probably outrun Carl Lewis if I had a bear chasin' me. :D :D :o


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Re: Hay Tim, No problems
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2010, 04:56:40 PM »
...I would hate to get in a foot race with him,and I am sure he would too since I can run exceedingly fast when necessary...

Foot race with who? the bear? you only need to out run the guide.

That's who I'm talking about  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: Hay Tim, No problems
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2010, 05:27:34 PM »
Rog and S.E.Ak, I respect your choice to hunt Alaska with a single shot, :o however I like my skinny little behind to much to walk around Montana with only a single shot. :-*  We have enough bears, black and grizz, big cats, they worry me more than the bears and other things that can mess ya up in a hurry.  If I'm packin a single, there will be a 45 Colt on my hip that is loaded damn stout. 8)  I ain't quite ready to go to that huntin ground in the sky just yet. ;)  DP
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« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2010, 09:38:42 PM »
My Alaskan 454 is with me most of the time and thats why my 45coltBC is now my black bear gun. The average griz killed in Alaska is right at 6 1/2' 400/450# and blackies can hit that easy.The 45/70 has been complette pass through on all bears so far

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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2010, 04:24:24 AM »
Hopefully, (DNR willing.  I'll know June 28th.) I'll be bear hunting here at home this Fall.  Our blackies can go over 500 lbs.  I'll be hunting from a tree stand with my Handi .45-70 backed up by my Blackhawk.

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Re: Hay Tim, No problems
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2010, 04:40:38 AM »
Pete,

Going to hunt bear with dem U.P. handloads?

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« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2010, 04:53:10 AM »
Yup, 405s over IMR4198 @ about 1800 fps.  I have 5 preference points, so I should get a tag for Newberry, first season.  It should be a good year, lots of bear around.

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« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2010, 06:14:45 AM »
When I was younger I hunted in the last year that Alberta allowed residents to purchase open grizzly tickets.  The bears in the foothills and mountains here are very wary and usually are only a serious threat when there are cubs.  However a grizzly is always dangerous when encountered.

I was carrying a 375 H&H Ruger Tropical with a peep sight.  Strong handloads and lots of practice reloading quick.  I figured the only way to success was to solo backpack into good grizzly country where spring snow kept the outfitter's horses out.  I cold camped out of cans to not alert any animals with wood smoke.

The third day in I climbed a steep scree slope to the north side of a long canyon.  About mid-morning a grizzly stepped out on the south side of the canyon in the sun.  I stalked the bear quietly in deep north slope wet snow as we both worked toward the head of the canyon, then her 2 cubs appeared.  The hunt ended so I watched her for awhile.  What came of that was I felt undergunned.  If those cubs had stayed in the brush and I stumbled on her or wounded her she would fight to the death for them.  I was willing to take that chance but realized I would be putting the rescue people in serious jeopardy if it went wrong.  I also realized I had no desire to shoot such a magnificent creature.  I never trophy hunted again. 


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« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2010, 07:28:31 AM »
Since I am retired and all my friends are still working, I usually go it alone.  It's always been that way since I came to Alaska.  All my friends worked differant shifts than I did so I was always going it alone, even back when I was in my early 20s.  One advantage, I only have to worry about taking care of me.

The 30-06 Handi is my grab gun when I leave the house.  The 180gr Nosler partitions will drop anything in North America, as long as I do my part, so what's the issue.  

75% of my face to face issues with Bears ends with them going their way and me my way.  Got mauled once, don't need to have that happen again, that hurt.  Still suffering the affects of that one, and will for the rest of my life.

Moose scare me far more than Bears.  Especially this time of year, when they are having their babies.
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« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2010, 07:42:18 AM »
What caused the mauling Roger? Was it a mama and cubs or just a face to face encounter gone bad or....
I encountered a mama black bear and 3 cubs last year it made me real nervous. :-[
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« Reply #28 on: June 02, 2010, 04:24:39 PM »
A Grizzly had been raiding cabins in the area.  It had also broken into several vehicles and stole things like cookies, jerky, chips, and other ediables.  I was unaware of it and went to the river and pitched my tent.  This Grizzly appearantly was associating human smell with food.  Along about 1AM I was sleeping with my head next to the tent wall.  Something pushed my head, and without thinking I slapped the tent wall.  I must have smacked it in the nose or face.  I heard a growl and the tent came down on top of me.  I rolled away from the wall of the tent, but in doing so I rolled on top of my right arm, that was holding my pistol.  Beefore I could roll on over and get my arm free the bear stepped on me and stood there.  Then the bear started jumping up and down on my back.  I screamed, alerting others camped near by.  The bear kept shoving down on my back, and I was trying to roll over.  Suddenly the world lite up, and the bear stepped on me with all four feet.  Then there was a rifle shot, and I passed out.

The people came over and pulled me out of the tent.  They made me warm and as comfortable as they could at the time.  They were afraid to transport me thinking my back and neck might be broken.  There was no cell phones back then, and CB did not reach out from there.  I came to about an hour later, in terriable pain.  I could not stand to be moved.  Breathing hurt bad.  I had a bottle of Percocett with me in my pack, and the woman in the party gave me two.  That put me out for the next 12 hours.

It being a 12 to 14 hour misserable trip to the highway through some awsome mud, the man did not want to leave his wife and me there alone with a Grizzly in the area.  Plus it was raining hard.  There was no other way to contact anyone.  When I finally came to I could feel my legs, and move them, but it hurt bad.  So we spent the night, him saying he would go to the highway the next morning.  The following morning I could move my legs but could not get up alone.  He helped me to my feet, but I could not stand alone.  Breathing also hurt so bad I could hardly talk.  I told him to go on out hunting since I was not going to die, and would be better after some more rest.  He shot a Moose that evening.  I let him use my track rig to retrive it and bring it back to camp.

The next day I could get up, but could not walk far, and breathing still hurt.  That is when I noticed I could not use two fingers on my left hand.  It was still raining also.  We spent that day waiting for the rain to stop.

The third day I was able to walk and convinced them we would need my track rig to get to the highway due to all the rain we had gotten.  They helped me into my rig and the woman insisted on riding with me.  I ended up pulling his tired rig out of several muddy spots, and at one point just draged him all the way through a long muddy stretch.  When we got to the highway the folks at the lodge called for a flight back to Fairbanks.  When I got to the hospital they told me I had four injured disk in my back,  three broken ribs, and two broken fingers on my left hand.  Along with bruising and damaged muscles.

The fingers and the ribs healed, as did the muscles.  My back has never gotten over being walked on and the shoving done by that bear.

As for the bear, we never saw it again.  The man followed the tracks down the river bed for about a mile then lost them due to the rain.  There was no other tracks so that rules out a sow with cubs.
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Re: Hay Tim, No problems
« Reply #29 on: June 02, 2010, 04:35:04 PM »
You're a lucky man my friend... I think the Man upstairs was watching over you. ;)
Is that typically when bears are the most dangerous?... I mean when they are used to people being around?
I don't know much about bears but I do know I wouldn't want an encounter like you had with a bear... even a little one. :D :D



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