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The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« on: May 21, 2010, 10:30:11 AM »
We the people of Alaska are getting fed up with the Federal Government and the people of the United States that feel they own us.  We are treated like a colony, not like a state.  In how many states does the Federal Government control hunting and fishing over 3/4s of the state?  Do you have to get congressional approval to drill an oil well in Texas, or a gas well in Tennessee?  Does your state have to get federal permission to build a road?  Are many of your remote streams and rivers classified as "Wild and Scenic areas", preventing access to the area by motorized vehicles, basicly closing off the areas to the point that no one ever goes there.  Do you have to get federal permission to open up a mine to remove valuable minerals, or to access the mine area since the only way in is across Federal land.  Does the Federal Government (EPA) come in and tell you your heat source is too polluting and you can not use it any more, yet you have no other means of heating your home.  When talking to the people of the United States about the problems we are having, they say "Well we should have a say in what you do in Alaska, since we own it".  There, the people of the United States are telling us we do not rate as a State like the other 49.  Therefore we are a colony, they own us.

Well after 50 years of living with broken promises, and failure to follow through on acts agreed to during the Statehood Process, we have decided to fight back.

The Federal Government has decided they have control over the wildlife on federal lands.  Our constatution says we have control over the wilflife state wide, and this was agreed to by the Federal Government in the "Statehood Act".  So the Feds decided to close hunting and trapping seasons this last spring on certain Federal Lands.  Now they are refusing to co-operate in a  Preditor Control program to save a Caribou herd from extinction.  So we are going to act, and I am sure we will end up in court over this, but it is time we fought back.  We are tired of being stomped on by the Feds, and them telling us "Federal Law Trumps State Law".

With only 10 bulls left the USF&W service says they need to study the problem before they can take action to reduce the number of preditors on Unimak island.  The residents have been screaming for some type of preditor control for several years to the deaf ear of the USF&W Service.  The numbers of Caribou have plumited from a high of around 25,000 animals down to around 300 animals.  Wolves are the main preditor on the island, and their numbers a high according to the residents of the island.  After deciding the USF&W service is willing to let this herd go extenct, and USF&W refusal to cooperate in a preditor management program, the State of Alaska Department of Fish and Game decided to take action.  While the Feds may own the land, the State Of Alaska owns the animals, and has the authority to manage them state wide.  Here is a copy of the article from the Anchorage Daily News.


By Mike Campbell | The Anchorage Daily News
Concerned that wolf predation may imperil the remaining caribou on Unimak Island, managers with the Alaska Department of Fish and Game said Thursday afternoon they'll launch predator control in less than two weeks on the largest island in the Aleutians, preferably by helicopter.

"The situation constitutes a dire conservation emergency," Fish and Game Commissioner Denby Lloyd said in a letter sent to Rowan Gould, acting director of the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service. "Immediate action is necessary."

Missing from the announcement at U.S. Fish and Game headquarters was any representation by Fish & Wildlife, on whose land wolf control would take place. Unimak Island, the only island in the Aleutians with a native caribou population, is dominated by the Alaska Maritime National Wildlife Refuge. Federal managers are in the midst of making an environmental assessment of reducing wolf numbers.

"I've heard nothing about a response today," said Bruce Woods, a spokesman for Fish & Wildlife in Alaska. "We're conducting a review and continue that process."

But the state intends to act.

"We will do something by about June 1," said Pat Valkenberg of Fish and Game. "We are the primary wildlife managers on all federal lands in the state."     
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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2010, 11:04:10 AM »
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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2010, 11:14:28 AM »
We too have an Alien problem.  Every summer we have hundreds of people come up here to take the $30 to $45 an hour jobs, and are put in place by the unions.  Yet our own residents can not get those jobs, the unions like to keep the southern states happy.  Then in the fall the people that got those good jobs leave taking all that money with them.

At least we don't see many Mexicans up here.
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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2010, 11:26:57 AM »
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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2010, 11:50:16 AM »
You can thank all these groups that petition the Feds to save the animals.
 I think its what they want. Let the wolf population grow, no more Moose, or caribou, no more hunters buying license's to kill animals. Of coarse they don't care if wolf's kill them for food, just so humans don't.   

I do like the willow sticks and frozen grease balls idea. 

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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2010, 01:21:01 PM »
Well, Texas is unique in that there is very little state owned land and no federal lands at all in the state so the federal government has no say about drilling for oil or gas. Across the line In New Mexico there is great deal of state and federal land. You have to buy the lease from the state to drill a well on state land and deal with the feds on federal land, most of which is administered by the BLM in the parts of the state where oil and gas are found. They even tell you what color to paint your equipment. There is a color of paint named BLM Tan just for use on their lands. Several companies just paint all their equipment that color where ever it is located to not have the hassel of different colors of paint. But actually the BLM is easier to get along with than the state or was when I retired. There is also a lot of National Forest Service land. The feds defer to the state on game and fish laws except for wolves. Yea, we have wolves, thanks to the federal boys. There used to be lots of problems with them but they have dropped out of the news now. Elk and especially deer numbers are way down but it is a combination of poor predator control and an extended drouth. We have a bunch of the same people messing with the animal situation that you do.

We depend on oil and gas royalties and the federal t-----uh, nannie for a very large portion of the state's income. Think Los Alamos and White Sands as the big dogs but they are a lot of federal agencies in the state.

So Alaska isn't by herself with the feds but it sounds like you have it much worse than we do.

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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2010, 04:14:27 PM »
Well Rog, you should check out the fish processing plants in the summer for non Alaskans and non Americans. Frankly watching how hard some of those non Americans work, I think we should do a trade: 1 or 2 lazy spoiled Americans for truly each hard workin immigrant. Now I'd only want the honest hard workin ones. The thugs druggies etc need a long walk off a short dock.

Yeah the Feds will study Unimak to death and extinction. I suppose it will be the same for farther up the Alaska Peninsula where there hasn't been any caribou hunt for close to 10 yrs, even subsistence.

I am extremely wary of some of the Fed stuff operating uncontrolled. And in many cases they need to be rolled back if not booted out.

At the same time, take a look at some of the messes our western states have where thoughtless development happened. Ask yourself if you REALLY want the same in Alaska. Don't kid yourself, that IS what we would get if we didn't put a heavy hand on some industries. I've said it before, the original oil pipeline design would have surely failed and made a huge mess, oil companies would not have been as well prepared as they are (which isn't enough sometimes), etc. Look at some of the messes US companies make in other countries where there is little regulation. It ain't perty or right. When I lived in Dutch Harbor some outside fishermen would dump their waste oil etc right in the water around town. We do need some controls and enforcement but its gotta be balanced.
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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2010, 04:24:11 PM »
The Federal Government has proved consistantly in every catagory across the board that they can manage nothing successfully. If citizens of Alaska need support from the individual citizens of the rest of the country I believe they will get more than they would believe, political and financial. eddiegjr
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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2010, 04:41:12 PM »
Actually oldandslow, we have quite a bit of state owned land used for hunting and fishing. The Caddo National Grasslands near me are just an example. As far as the Feds having any control over oil and gas drilling, think again. They shut down a bunch of wells with tight restrictions and just about everyone laid their rigs down, and there was almost no drilling for years, in the Panhandle back in the eighties, and a whole bunch of folks lost their jobs. A BIG Haliburton yard closed down in Dumas, because of no work, and never came back. The Federal Government has their hand in every bodies' pie these days.
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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2010, 07:14:31 PM »
DDZ: You forgot the biggest thorn in our side as far a environmental groups are concerned.  That Connicut based group called DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE.

DEE:  You guys may have problems with the Feds, and I am sure you do to some extent, but nothing like what we have to deal with.

Dand:  David James, Cory Rossi, Pat Valkenburg, and Denby Loyd have all said next year when preditor control starts all wolves are fair game as long as they are on the outside ot the National Park boundry.  Coller or no coller, a wolf is a wolf, period.  The National Park is the only place the state does not have jurisdiction.  We'll see the Feds in court.
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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2010, 08:37:22 PM »
Now that you mention it, it sounds a lot like a bunch of Arizona.  A couple years back the Rodeo-Chedeski fire took out a lot of forest and timber managed by the Federal court in San Francisco.  This mismanagement by Federal Court not only led to loss of habitat, range land and private property but took out a lot of Native American timber land.  The Navajo and Apache lost a lot of income that was planned to go to tribal support.

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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2010, 10:47:19 PM »
SD, truly sorry to see what statehood is doing to that beautiful country. I think its funny that every single Puerto Rican, Guamanian, Samoan I know wants nothing to do with statehood after seeing what its done to everyone else. I actually think it would be in the best interest of some states to go back to territories ... what's funny is when I started listing them in my head I realized that it was in reverse order of when they became a state. :D
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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2010, 02:22:51 AM »
I'm not going to argue with you, Dee, but as a whole Texas has a very small percentage of state land, especially considering it's size, when compared to some other western states.

There was almost no drilling anywhere in the eighties but it was due to the collapse of oil prices when the middle eastern countries increased production. Halliburton made it back here but not in some other places. Lots of companies didn't. I understood that the Rail Road Commission called the shots for oil producers in Texas and our Oil Conservation Division was modeled after it. The OCD has been taken over by environment types and that is why I have seen several rigs running in Texas this week and none around where I live. Don't get me started on this bunch of idiots and the federal government has no input at all. Texas and Oklahoma has much less restrictive rules.

I AM NOT taking up for the feds. Everything they touch is turned into an inefficent and costly mess. State governments seem to be their equal.

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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2010, 09:22:41 PM »
Today the USF&W service said if Alaska Dept of F&G does Preditor control on the island of Unimak, they will charge F&G with trespass and send it to the US Attny Gen for prosacution.  USF&W would rather see the Caribou go extenct than kill a few wolves.

I'll let you know what my group has to say about this tomorrow.
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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2010, 12:20:16 AM »
Perhaps Alaska in regards to the wolf needs to adopt the "don't ask don't tell" policy. It seems to work for the queers in the military.
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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2010, 01:55:06 AM »
Dont have any comment just wanted to mark this so i can keep up with the dialog. Keep us posted Sourdough.
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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2010, 05:07:25 AM »
Sourdough, I am not directing this to you. I am in agreement with you. Just speaking on the state our country is in.
The bottom line is talk has done nothing. And that's all we the people seem to want to do is piss and moan. Now the popular thing is tea parties. Wow, folks gather piss and moan and are made out to look like extremists. The servants we elected run the show now. Plain and simple. Our government has went from Democratic to Totalitarian. Pissing and moaning about it will do nothing. There is only one thing that will change it and a 99% chance that will never happen. We have already lost many freedoms in our lifetime. So enjoy big brother, guaranteed if you gents think times are bad now, enjoy the ride cause you aint' seen nuthin' yet.

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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2010, 05:10:46 AM »
In Va. we have alot of National Forest land that the feds control . They use Va. game wardens along with Fed. forest rangers and park service . There are also fed game wardens that show up any time and any where migatory birds are hunted or on fed. land. If you haven't noticed the fed has made itself involved with many areas the states should have total control from education to land use . Ya'll should not feel like the lone ranger , hey it took longer to affect ya'll way up there than many in the lower 48.

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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2010, 08:52:43 AM »
if Alaska Dept of F&G does Preditor control on the island of Unimak, they will charge F&G with trespass and send it to the US Attny Gen for prosacution.

Well, lessee here...  :-\

The state can't be charged with a crime.  I'd like to see the feds try to haul the physical state, as in ground, mountains, rivers, lakes, etc., into court.

So people have to be charged with a crime that takes place somewhere under federal jurisdiction...

Which means the poor state employee who shoots the wolves will be who the feds try to arrest.  Will the state refuse to allow the feds to take him into custody?  Use the Alaska National Guard (State Militia) to protect him from Federal Law Enforcement maybe?

But for the feds to have jurisdiction the crime had to be committed on federal property!  So what interest does the state have in what happens on federal land?

Of course the state could take back all the land within it's boundaries that it gave the federal gov't in the first place... but it seems that's been tried before somewheres...   :-\  Now where was that...  ???

Oh yeah!  Fort Sumter in South Carolina!  1861 I think that was...
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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2010, 10:13:46 AM »
Yea, and I tell ya what Richard. I'm still mad about that deal in SC. We need to re'try that. Are you up for it? ;)
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« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2010, 10:17:40 AM »
In 1861 there was no depot in AL. or tank rebuild area. Nor was there a base like Norfolk or the many others in the South ! In Richmond Va there is DGSC that has everything an army could need for years of war. Norfolk has Millions of Cubic feet of stored nat gas on hand . AtlLaw, times are different  ;D
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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2010, 10:26:48 AM »
Yes they are, and Texas holds over 64% of the U.S. governments defense contracts. Yikes Richard! Let's retry it, and you can represent us. I'll load for ya.;D
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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2010, 11:41:50 AM »
Well boys...  seems like we may be comin up with a good idee here.   :-\  Think about it.  Alaska and Texas, the two biggest states, gettin together as a, um... CONFEDERATION!   :o  Yeah!  That's the ticket!  A confederation!  Other states might want to exercise their rights, while they still have some, also!  I think Jawja, the biggest state east of the Mississippi, might go along with it!   ;D

Okay Dee!  You talked me into it!  I've always been a crusaider and with you behind me no tellin where we'd end up!   :D

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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2010, 11:55:28 AM »
Yea, there's no tellin where we might end up. I gave the telephone number of a bondsman to Linda just in case. ;D
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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2010, 05:09:44 PM »
several COLONIES are getting fed up.
Things are already smoldering, it will not take
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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2010, 05:46:19 PM »
The problem would be solved if people just shot the wolves and kept their mouth's shut about it. ;)
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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2010, 07:43:31 PM »
Well the state is following through with the plan.  Tuesday the wolves will be shot from a Helicopter. 

Atlaw:  When Alaska was a Territory the Feds owned the entire area of Alaska.  The Feds said during the period of the State Hood Act that they would give portions of the land to the state, gradual over a period of time.  They did give a small chunk at that time.  That was it, none since.  They have turned over small portions to Native groups, but that has been all. 

They keep locking up more and more areas as Park Land, or Wilderness areas.  Once it is locked up no one goes there.  The only Park people go to is Denali.  When have you or any one heard of someone going to Wrangel / St. Elias, or Gates Of The Arctic.  Do you honestly know anyone that has been to ANWR?  As for the visitors registration for Yukon Charley, the log book they use as a visitors registration is 35 miles away, on the Taylor Highway.  They use the registration book for rafters on the 40 mile river as their log or visitors.  Their view is that the river starts in Yukon Charley so any one that floats the river could have conceviably started in Yukon Charley.  Since there is no roads in the area highly unlikely, but they don't care that is what they put in their reports for visitors each year. 
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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2010, 03:28:32 AM »
SD, are insinuating that our federal government, "may" be lying or distorting the truth? :o
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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2010, 04:42:41 AM »
Some good coffee talk here.
I still believe that a Union is more workable than a Confederation.
We don't have a good Union anymore, but a Government that fails to respond appropriately too the demands of the people.
I would be interested in passing a law that would make each Gov. employee sign a statement that they will uphold the Constitution and make it a penality for any gov. czar to break it.
Let all laws/directives be blessed by the Supreme Court before being OK'd----That ought to keep everybody so busy they would not be able to do much, which is a good thing, IMO .
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Re: The Colony Of Alaska Is Getting Fed Up
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2010, 04:47:28 AM »
Well the state is following through with the plan.  Tuesday the wolves will be shot from a Helicopter.

This is interesting!   :-\  A state Gov't is actually going to buck the feds!   :o  I love it when the little guy tells the big dog to get bent!   :D  But, since your Governor must have given this the go-ahead, isn't he worried about the feds cutting off funds?  Or an IRS audit?   ::)
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