Author Topic: 32 ML for a CF frame or others (Read 1873 times)

trotterlg · « **on:** May 19, 2010, 06:38:05 PM »

Could be the oddest project I have started. PHATINJUN will have to fill you in on the thought behind this, but it is going to be a .32 cal ML barrel that will fit either a Huntsman or Handi CF frame. It is (I believe) a 8mm Mauser barrel, I made up the breach plug (shotgun primer) from a 1/2 inch stainless bolt, worked out that the chamber is correct to tap for 1/2 13, and the end of the plug is turned to fit snug into the area that was the neck of the 8mm cartridge. Looks like it will finish at about 27 inches long. Squrrel anyone?

There are a lot of "challenges" to this one, I will post some pictures as I go along. Larry

mechanic · « **Reply #1 on:** May 19, 2010, 06:42:10 PM »

Now that is "way cool"!

Spanky · « **Reply #2 on:** May 19, 2010, 07:09:53 PM »

It's about damn time you showed us how to make a smokepole Larry.

Can't wait to see how this one turns out.

Spanky

srussell · « **Reply #3 on:** May 19, 2010, 07:58:36 PM »

i have 4 of theses on H&R actions .36 two .50 cals. and one .45. i think you will like them

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #4 on:** May 20, 2010, 06:33:52 AM »

I don't know what I was thinking really cept that I thought it may be cool to have a Huntsman in .32 cal also thought about the .36 but figured I would have larger selection of bullets for the .32 with the faster twist I am hoping to bump up the velocity and want to be able to shoot the Blackhorn powder to do that.Not sure how fast as I may have to use patches...but would like to get it up to where it just starts stripping lead then back off some. Haven't decided on sights yet but will probly go buckhorn like the other older Huntsmans I have. Nother one of those engineer as I go projects. Plus gives Larry a chance to broaden his horizons

srussell can you start another thread and post some pics of yours thanks! Kurt

srussell · « **Reply #5 on:** May 20, 2010, 07:33:16 AM »

as soon as my wife get back from vaction ill take some pics and post them . first of the week

gcrank1 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 20, 2010, 02:37:52 PM »

Kurt, If the B/G works out right you may be able to use 8mm Nambu pistol bullets for 'rook rifle' loads and maybe even soft cast 32-40 bullets for 'heavies'. Bore dia. should start by thumb and run downbore easy, then run a lube patch down & back (this is what my Parker-Hale .451 Volunteer uses as a methodology) they bump up upon firing and have a lubed bore to ride in.
Might be you can find commercial buckshot size (they run a little hard) that works with, or maybe even without a patch, but do yourself a favor and just plan on a damp patch between shots. A brass rod will last a lot longer than a skinny wood one and save you a lot of wailing a& gnashing of teeth.

trotterlg · « **Reply #7 on:** May 20, 2010, 05:45:17 PM »

Got the stub bored tonight, I just have to set the depth at the breach to make the breach plug even with the stub, then put a nut on the front to pull it into the stub. As far as I can tell, the bore is about .324? Larry

bunkysdad · « **Reply #8 on:** May 21, 2010, 02:45:45 AM »

This seems like an amazing project. Will you be posting more pictures and especially while shooting? I'd love to see them.

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #9 on:** May 21, 2010, 03:43:11 PM »

Thanks crank you got a online source on the the Nambu pistol bullets? 98gr Speer wadcutters are supposed to maybe be the go to bullet...but I have yet to find any. I got a ton of .32 cast bullets and round balls from my .32H&Rmag that Larry did from the 303 brit bbl.So I do have stuff to play with but need to find some .324-.323 stuff. The ram rod is on my mind also. Kurt

Not sure if I am going to have much time to play with this til maybe August with the PD hunts and wife daughter vacation June and July are pretty booked.

myarmor · « **Reply #10 on:** May 21, 2010, 06:09:04 PM »

This is another cool project (obviously

) and I seem to remember a friend of mine did a custom BP rifle as well in a 32cal I believe. Wait whats the size of buckshot pellets?
The main reason he did his was because of the cheap lead buckshot availible and it made a hell of a squirrel rifle.

carry on Larry...

-Aaron

trotterlg · « **Reply #11 on:** May 21, 2010, 07:58:53 PM »

I got the barrel fitted into the stub, left the breach plug about .005 high, I will trim it back when I finish the barrel and fit it to the frame. Made up the barrel nut and will thread the barrel tomorrow and take some pictures. This thing is kind of ugly looking, I may have to get a little creative to make it look a little better, I will have to think on that. Larry

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #12 on:** May 22, 2010, 12:31:23 PM »

I got a bunch of .315 round ball lead but i need to get my casting book out and look for moulds in the .323 range. Larry it is all in your hands ifn ya kin pretty her up fine if not maybe her preformance will outshine her looks

What ya thinking for sights yet? Kurt

gcrank1 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 22, 2010, 02:17:10 PM »

I was 'shopping' on Dixie GW site and noticed their .32 cal Super Rod, # RP0703 @ $13.95. Looks like it might be suitable unless you dont like 'synthetics'.

dpe.ahoy · « **Reply #14 on:** May 22, 2010, 04:44:27 PM »

I've got 3- .32 cal front stuffers. Haven't had much luck using buckshot in em, (.300), better accuracy with .310's using .018" patches, but the round balls have gotten kind of spendy.

They want the same for 100 round balls as a 5 pound box of buck shot.

Always wondered about a .36 cal and using .350 shot. $:-\$ DP

gcrank1 · « **Reply #15 on:** May 23, 2010, 04:33:49 AM »

Ive used buck in a .32 and .36, but had better results with thinner (.010-.012) patching. The rifling wasnt deep enough for that .018 cloth. The buck is harder than cast soft lead (to reduce deformation in scatterguns?) so Ive softened it in an old oven, single layer in an old cake pan at 450F for 1/2hr and let cool slowly in the oven. I recommend you do NOT use a home oven or pan used to cook food in!
The buck, with the proper patch, shoots as well as cast for me, but depending on your bore dia. you may not find buck that fits. The Hornady O for the .32 runs .320+ and the OOO is .350+.
If it does fit it really is the only way to go for a peashooter.

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #16 on:** May 23, 2010, 05:18:33 AM »

Got to remember though this thing is fast twist don't remember just what it was but it's a 8mm rifle bbl.Kurt

myarmor · « **Reply #17 on:** May 23, 2010, 05:42:56 AM »

Now I would love to have a straight up 8mm in a Handi, what a nice chambering it would be for a Handi

trotterlg · « **Reply #18 on:** May 24, 2010, 11:31:36 AM »

Got a little distracted by a lady who adjusted the door on my PU with her front bumper and have been painting a new one. I got this far, you can see it is ugly! I have been thinking of doing a tension sleeve barrel with it, put some thin wall tubing about 3/4 inch over it and a nut at the muzzel, tighten it down, fill the inside with foam, turn the nut flush and round and parkerize the whole mess. Bet that would be the only tension barrel ML in the free world. Larry

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #19 on:** May 25, 2010, 05:47:21 AM »

Kurt

Airsporter · « **Reply #20 on:** May 25, 2010, 12:58:23 PM »

What about making a tension sleeve insert barrel to fit inside a standard shotgun barrel? Either muzzle loader or low pressure cartridge. Make extractor/ejector coincide with shotgun's for cartridges.

trotterlg · « **Reply #21 on:** May 25, 2010, 01:05:23 PM »

That would work out well I think. I picked up some 3/4 inch electrical conduit today, just the right diameter, so I will sand off all the galvinize, polish it up and bolt it on. Should look a lot better than it does now. Larry

trotterlg · « **Reply #22 on:** May 26, 2010, 02:50:11 PM »

Not quite done yet, but here it is assembled. Still have to sand off some more zinc, but it looks like it will work. the second picture is a detail of the muzzel nut that holds the pipe around the barrel. Larry

Spanky · « **Reply #23 on:** May 26, 2010, 04:13:12 PM »

Lookin' good Larry.

What are you planning on using for the forearm stud?

Spanky

pvtschultz · « **Reply #24 on:** May 27, 2010, 10:11:49 AM »

Larry,

That's an interesting way to mount the barrel. We pre-stress everything in the mechanical testing world so I am curious to see how it works with your ML. Plus, you've got bull barrel look without all of the weight.

myarmor · « **Reply #25 on:** June 12, 2010, 10:55:20 AM »

I tell ya Larry if I didn't live on the other side of the states, we could have a great time buddy

trotterlg · « **Reply #26 on:** June 12, 2010, 01:02:06 PM »

Glad you found the post, I needed to put a picture up. I silvered on the forearm stud and the guide for the ramrod, I need to clean it up now, sand blast it and parkerize it. I will drill and tap the tube for the sights, I will also bed them with JB weld just for good measure. Larry

trotterlg · « **Reply #27 on:** June 13, 2010, 03:55:30 PM »

Except for a little work on the breach plug, it is finished. The parkerizing is more even than the picture shows, it should be interesting to shoot it. Larry

dangerranger · « **Reply #28 on:** June 13, 2010, 10:48:25 PM »

You are truely a creative guy!

DR

myarmor · « **Reply #29 on:** June 14, 2010, 04:19:40 AM »

This should be a very fun barrel! Kurt ya got to give us a range report on this little guy