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Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« on: May 03, 2010, 03:47:00 AM »
In the current issue of American Rifleman, a review of the Chiappa 1911-22 piqued my interest greatly.  The current issue of said magazine also listed a gun show being held at Tulsa's Expo Square.  I determined to go to the show and hunt down one of Chiappa's 1911-22 pistols.

The first problem was that "AR" got it wrong.  There was no gun show this past weekend at Expo Square in "Tee-Town."  But there was one is Jenks.  So I went to that one.

I quickly found a Chiappa 1911-22 but the seller wanted $450.00 for it.  Seriously.

Another seller had two of the Chiappa 1911-22's and two of the same thing with a Puma brand on the slide.  The Puma versions were black on black.  They seemed a little lacking in the finish department, with the blackening being uneven on both examples.  The Chiappa branded versions were two-tone, with blackened frames and contrasting slides of desert tan or olive drab.

Before choosing, though, I had to work up to the idea of throwing down $280.00 for what is, essentially, a firearm that is primarily crafted from a zinc based alloy.  In this case, it is a proprietary blend that the maker calls "Chiapalloy."  Still, no matter how much aluminum, magnesium, copper, and iron you add to zinc, you're still dealing with some form or another of material that would seem to be more appropriately applied to the building of Co2-powered air pistols than real firearms.  Then again, the polymer plastic that is all the rage today seems best reserved for squirt guns to many ardent traditionalists.

I almost walked out with my $280.00 still in my wallet and my aesthetic sensibilities intact, but that glowing review from AR kept nagging at me.  What if these things actually shoot as good as AR claimed?  There was only one way to tell........

The model with the olive drab slide seemed to be the most nicely turned out of the bunch, so that is the one that went home with me.  It didn't stay at home long.

The AR reviewer stated that the guns come with two magazines.  Mine didn't.  It only came with one.  The same review said that the pistols feature a half-cock notch on the hammer.  Mine doesn't.

My initial impression was that the Chiappa 1911-22 does a pretty good job of capturing the feel of the real thing.  Weight and balance and are about right.  The usual 1911 controls are in the usual places and work in the usual way, with the exception of the grip safety, which is omitted on the 1911-22, and the half-cock notch on the hammer that mine doesn't have.  The blackening was evenly applied to the frame and the frame itself seemed nicely finished.  Likewise, the olive drab finish on the slide was evenly applied.

The sights on my standard model also capature the feel of a mil-spec 1911 by providing a mil-spec sight picture.  Chiappa leave the front fixed blade purposefully too high, according to instructions provided, so that it can be filed down to reconcile point of impact with point of aim.  Chiappa claim these pistols to shoot 2" to 4" low at 25 yards with issued sights.  The rear sight is driftable for windage and a set screw helps keep it in one place. 

Supplied instructions call for field stripping, cleaning, and lubing the pistol prior to use.  They also suggest that a break in period is required and recommend that use be restricted to ammo capable of over 1066 ft/s during the break-in period and further suggest continued use of high velocity fodder, as this is what they've designed the gun to run on.

I heeded this advice and headed for the range.

I have to admit right here that my expectations were pretty low.  I mean, we are talking about a gun constructed largely of zinc alloy, after all -the same kind of material that my cherished Mattel Fanner 50 cap gun of my youth was made from.  I couldn't hit crap with it, either, according to my childhood playmates.

All of the controls operated smoothly but positively -saftety, mag release, slide relaease.  The trigger, however, was dismal.  It was creepy, gritty, and heavy at 7.5 according to my RCBS trigger pulll scale. 

Initial firing was done from a sandbag rest with CCI Mini Mags.  There were no FTFs or FTEs with this fodder of any kind, with the pistol digesting 500 rounds of it without a hitch, and in my hands, the pistol shot to point of aim with no sight adjustment  required whatsoever.  Supplied instructions suggest that you'll need to file down the front sight to raise P.O.I. at the 25 yard line, but mine shot true to aim without surgery.

My first group shocked and amazed me.  Ten shots tore a ragged 1 1/10 inch hole in the center of a 25 yard target, with a best performance represented by a 5 shot group at 25 yards that went 9/16 of an inch, center to center.  Accuracy seemed to improve as the barrel fouled, but was pretty darn acceptable with a clean bore, which it sported after every hundered rounds.  After my supply of Mini-Mags was used up, I swithed to Winchester Wildcats, firing 100 rounds of it.  I had two failures with this ammo -both stovepipe FTEs.  Worst group with the Wildcats was 1.75 inches.  Most were around 1.25 or so. Best with the Wildcats was a tick over an inch.

What words can't really describe is how much fun the pistol was to shoot.  It really does seem to capture most of the essence of 1911 pistol shooting in a package that is cheaper to buy and cheaper to feed.  So far, after only one range session (albeit a long one) I am satisfied with my purchase and am looking forward to shooting another brick of ammo through the gun today. 

How will it hold up to the volume of shooting that I like to do?  My gut tells me "not very well."  That whole "zinc based alloy" thing is what has me concerned.  According to the article in AR, however, these things survive 25,000 rounds without fail, or did in development testing before the thing was brought to market. 

Time, as they say, will tell.

I expect that I'll have a lot of fun wearing the thing out and suspect that when I finally do wear it out, I'll view at all as big fun, while it lasted.

On the + side.......

The fixed sights on my example were well regulated for the recommended high velocity ammo.
With high velocity ammo, the accuracy was good enough to make bullseye shooting fun and it should make a reliable small game getter at normal handgunning distances.
Handling, balance, ergonomics adequately mimic real 1911 feel and it feels like a "real gun" in the hand.
Light recoil spring makes working the action easy for all shooters
The magazine feeds reliably and is very easy to reload compaired to other .22LR pistols
Fit and finish on my example leaves nothing to complain about.  It is a good looking pistol, good enough to draw a crowd at the range.
Barrel cleans up easy with few patches,


On the -side........

The trigger sucks, though the creep (oddly enough) and gritty feel from new became but a faded memory at the end of my shooting session, the heavy pull that started out at 7.75 pounds (measured with an RCBS pull gauge) eneded at a still too dang heavy tick over 7 pounds.  It didn't keep me from hitting what I want to hit, though.
Fit and finish seems to vary from individual example to individual example.  The nice ones are nice.  The bad ones are atroucious.
Unknown durability of the material that the pistol is mostly made from.
Erratic ejection pattern....  Hot empties occasionally hit you in the head, or fall down your shirt, or fly off and victimize the shooter two lanes over.  You never know where the empties are going to land.

JP

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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2010, 06:58:30 PM »
I have a Puma 1911-22 it's a super gun , loads of fun to shoot !!

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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2010, 10:18:15 PM »
I have a Puma 1911-22 it's a super gun , loads of fun to shoot !!

I think the Puma 1911-22 and Chiappa 1911-22 to be "badge engineered" versions of the same thing.

Later on the morning that I wrote the review, I went out to the range and ran another 475 rounds of ammo through my 1911-22.  It loves the CCI Mini-Mags for no-stoppage function and accuracy.  As with the pistol's maiden voyage, I had no function failures while shooting through my supply of Mini Mags -200 on this outing. It has less love for the Winchester Wildcats. I had two failures to feed and 1 ejection failure out of 4 50-round boxes with the Wildcats.  I had about 75 Remington Thunderbolts laying around and tried running them through my pistol, but it didn't like them one little bit.  Every 5th round or so would result in some kind of feed or ejection issue.  I only shot three sandbag rested groups with the stuff, but all three were between 1.5 and 2 inches.  The CCI Mini Mags group much tighter than that out of my pistol.

As it stands, I hope that "Chiapalloy" is as durable as Chiappa claims it to be because am throughly enjoying my purchase and hope to keep on doing so for many years to come. After 975 rounds though mine, I am very satisfied with my purchase.

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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2010, 10:30:44 AM »
That was good timing as I am currently reading the same article.  There is a need for an affordable 1911 clone in .22 rimfire.  Sure, you can get an adapter for the full-sized version to shoot . 22 RF over .45 ACP, but I have heard too many complaints on those to spend the money.  Too bad about the trigger as the 1911 is known for a light and crisp letoff.

It would be great if someone would make more guns like that in .22 that are normally expensive historical collector items.  Guns like the Luger P-08, Webley revolver, Japanese Nambu, P-38, M-1 Garand, etc.

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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2010, 11:38:12 AM »
Nice review, thanks for posting.

So far everything I've read about it has been positive. 

BTW Stoeger imported a Luger look-alike in .22LR back in the 1970's (?) or somewhere thereabouts.  Believe it was made by Erma, but the memory is a little fuzzy on that!

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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2010, 09:23:12 AM »
Yeh, I remember the Luger in .22, one of my co-workers had one years ago.

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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review Update
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2010, 10:05:59 PM »
After three range sessions with the Chiappa 1911-22, and 2,000 rounds of ammo, the pistol's trigger has smoothed up nicely and is actually pretty darn crisp and creep free now.  Pull weight is now a full two pounds lighter than it measured with the pistol fresh out of the box.

Accuracy is more consistantly better, in the sense that the best performing ammo I've tried (CCI Mini Mags) still shoots as well as it did on the first outing -acceptably well for informal target work or small game hunting at normal pistol ranges, but there is now less of a precision gap between the best and worst perfomring ammo.  As it is now, I could pot bunnies with all of the .22 LR ammo types I have on hand.

Overall, I am very satisfied with my purchase.  I am still concerned about long-term reliability.  I mentioned that concern in an e-mail to MKS Supply customer service along with a query about obtaining a spare recoil spring, barrel bushing, and extra magazines.  I got a very prompt, courteous, and sincere reply.  The Customer Service employee who responded assured me that with normal use and care, my pistol should prove durable over the long haul.  He stated that the pistols endured rigorous pre-production testing, shooting over 25,000 rounds without failure,  to insure that they would hold up to a long service life.  At the rate I'm going, I'll have that many rounds through it before my first year of ownership comes to a close.

I've owned more accurate pistols than this Chiappa 1911-22, but this one seems easier to get all of the accuracy it can deliver when shooting without aid of a rest.  And the fun factor definately beats the others I've owned.

I've already determined to buy the Target Model as soon as I find one for sale.

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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2010, 03:46:45 PM »
I saw one a month ago at a gun shop and wanted it, but the visa is bent enough for now.  I WILL own one in the near future.  The 'smith has one himself and has two friends with them also and all of them love the little beast!  They also were surprised with the accuracy for the price.  I think they have a winner here!  I hope the price doesn't go too crazy before I can get one myself.  44 Man
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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2010, 10:26:26 PM »
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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2010, 03:25:41 PM »
Darn it all. This pistola isn't on the approved list for Kaliforny.
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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2010, 09:52:09 PM »
Darn it all. This pistola isn't on the approved list for Kaliforny.

.......Which is one of many, many reasons why I am glad that I escaped the PRC (People's Republic of California).  It is unfortunately NOT the same state that I was born in 45 years ago.  I miss the quail hunting and fly fishing in the surf that I used to do there regularly (and still do when I visit).  But being able to carry concealed if I want to, being able to buy a firearm and take it home with me as soon as the money changes hands, and being able to buy, sell, or trade at gun shows really drives home how much liberty I lost living in California over the years -including the freedom to choose what sort of firearm I'll spend my money on.

Back on the subject at hand, it is too bad that the Chiappa 1911-22 isn't on your "approved list" because I reckon they'd sell a bunch of them there.  I have close to 10,000 rounds through mine now.  Aside from wear on the barrel shroud's black finish, it still looks like new.  It is pretty reliable with ammo it likes (CCI Mini Mags) with virtually zero FTE's.  And it continues to be accurate enough to be fun at the range.  Trigger pull has improved with use but I think the components of the trigger group have work hardened enough that no further improvement through "break in" will be seen.

I would really like the target model that they're supposed to either have come out with or will be coming out with soon, but there is a German company whose name presently escapes me that is supposedly bringing an all-steel .22 LR 1911, and I think I'll try one of them, instead of buying another Chiappa.

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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2010, 02:32:01 AM »
I would think that California would approve it, it does have a manual firing pin lock on the side of the slide.  Maybe it's still new enough that it hasn't been added.  Or maybe Chiappa doesn't want to go through the expense and bother to submit it to the idiotic buracuacy!  As for the trigger pull, the one I handled could benifit from a little spring weight reduction which is one of the first things I would do.  I put one on layaway at Jay's last week, but then found a Colt I needed more, so it has to wait, again!  44 Man
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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2010, 10:08:06 AM »
JPS, thanks for the great review. You've pretty much echoed all else that I've read about it. Quite the value, apparently.  ;D

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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2010, 03:13:24 PM »
Yes, quite the value.  By the time I can get one, they'll probably go up another hundred!  That's what happened with the Heritage .45 I wanted.  44 Man
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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2010, 04:16:21 PM »
I have a feeling that the Chiappa 1911-22 wouldn't survive the tests that kaliforny mandates to check the safetys: drop tests, etc.
I'll just have to wait and see if it does get approved.
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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2010, 11:35:53 PM »
JPS, thanks for the great review. You've pretty much echoed all else that I've read about it. Quite the value, apparently.  ;D

In the interest of full disclosure........

As for the Chiappa 1911-22 being "quite the value," it is and it isn't. As long as it keeps on ticking, I am inclined to agree.  But the question of whether it will or won't is still unresolved in my mind.  So far, so good, and all of that, but I am still skeptical about how well this little pot-metal wonderkind will hold up to the volume of shooting I'm accustomed to doing.

I know this reads like tale-telling, but paranthetically, I'll have run well over 10,000 rounds through the Chiappa by the time the month of June is history, and I haven't even had the thing 60 days yet.  This is easy for me to do because I work the overnight shift and live just 15 minutes from a nice public shooting range.  I take advantage of these two facts to shoot an average of 3 days a week outside of hunting season.  I run a brick of ammo through the Chiappa, or more, during each session.  It adds up pretty fast when you shoot like that.

And it isn't just the round count that "adds up."  10,000 rounds of ANY ammo ain't exactly cheap.  Even with .22LR, you're talking 20 bricks of ammo at $20.00 a pop for a total capital outlay of $400.00 for the privilage of shooting a "cheap" gun.  Imagine the fun I'd have sending $400.00 worth of lead down the bore of something like a tight-grouping old High Standard target pistol, and you'll see where I am going with this train of thought.

For me, the cost of the hardware isn't where my shooting budget gets blown.  Its the ammo and other consumeables that puts big, gaping holes in my checking account balance.  Ammortized over time, I can easily justify the expense of "nice" or "high quality" guns because they'll give a lifetime of high-volume service and you only have to buy them once. 

I'm 45 years old.  If I make it another 30 years, and my Chiappa actually lasts that long, it will have only cost me about $10.00 a year to buy, ammortizing the purchase price over time.  But if I keep on shooting it the way I currently do for the whole of those years, it isn't inconceivable that I'll spend close to a grand on ammo per year shooting just that one gun.  If I keel over at 75, I'll have spent $30,000 for the privilage of enjoying a cheap, sub-$300.00 pistol the rest of my life.  That's just counting ammo cost and not other things like cleaning supplies and so on, and its just counting it for ONE gun.  I routinely take more than one toy to the range.

So is it really such a hot deal?  I kinda doubt it, and I love my Chiappa 1911-22 to death -maybe literally.  Time will tell.

If there were something readily available on the market in a .22LR pistol with a quality fixed barrel, made from traditional proven gunmaking materials, AND made in the 1911 style, and if that something shot as good as the Chiappa does, I'd rather have whatever that might be -even if it costs several times what the Chiappa does.

Let's say I found something for a cool grand in a dedicated .22 LR 1911 pistol that caught my fancy.  I'm not a math wiz, but if I buy today and shoot the pee out of it for the next 30 years, that grand, ammortized over time, still isn't a lot and pales to the money I'll have spent on ammo shooting the thing my whole remaining life.  If I should have the good fortune by God's grace to live to see 80 or 85, the ammortized cost of the hardware goes down even more, while my lifetime ammo expenditure goes up another 5-10 grand just counting ammo for the Chiappa. 

Dedicated clay target shooters will tell you that life is too short to shoot cheap guns for reasons similar to the above, and by and large, I agree with them.

So, on the one hand, I HAVE been enjoying the Chiappa immensely.  In the back of my mind, though, I can't help but wish that someone would take the basic concept (1911 style pistol with quality fixed barrel in .22LR) but execute it in a far more traditional way out of more traditional gunmaking metals.  I'd pay more for a pistol like that, and with a pistol like that, I'd be more confident that I'd only have to buy it once.

My Chiappa is still ticking right along and I am still having a ball with it.  But I am not totally convinced it can withstand thrity or forty years of the kind of volume shooting I am doing with it now.  The practical man in me thinks that I should have put the money I spent on the Chiappa toward a true "heirloom quality" piece of equipment.

Yeah, a dedicated .22LR in 1911 style is kinda cool and loads of fun.

The same can be said for old High Standard target pistols, too.  Or Ruger "Marks," for that matter. 

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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2010, 03:51:22 AM »
As this thread goes, I may develop an urge to get one of those Chirpy-22s myself.  It's been really positive for the gun.  I owned an S&W Model 41 years ago and wasn't impressed.  I like my Trailside alot.  Rugers, Brownings, etc. are some of my favorites, too.  I've enjoyed this thread immensley

But I'm reluctant to ammortize any gun over the remainder of my life, given the uncertainty of it all.  Too many of my friends are keeling over dead, all to soon.
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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2010, 12:05:27 AM »

But I'm reluctant to ammortize any gun over the remainder of my life, given the uncertainty of it all.  Too many of my friends are keeling over dead, all to soon.

The point above is well taken.  

That said, the reality is that the Chiappa 1911-22 isn't THAT much less expensive than a basic Buckmark or Ruger MkIII.  I've not owned a MkIII, but did own a Ruger Government Target Model when they first came out.  I sold that and bought a Buckmark.  I sold the Buckmark and bought the Chiappa.  I have enjoyed the Chiappa and no doubt will continue to do so, but it isn't even remotely in the same league as the Ruger Government Model I previously owned in terms of build quality or accuracy.  Not even close.  

As much as I like the Chiappa, I am not convinced that itis really that great of a value.  Other more proven options be had new for about the same price, and if you're willing to buy used, the money that might go toward a Chiappa 1911-22 can go to a whole bunch of other older but still "heirloom quality" choices, too.

Locally, the Heritage "Rough Rider" seems pretty popular.  I've not owned one, but I've shot maybe a half-dozen of them, or so.  All of them that I have shot had MUCH nicer trigger pulls than my Chiappa 1911-22 does.  All of them that I have shot were surprisingly (to me) accurate, with sights properly regulated.  Unlike the Chiappa, the Heritage Rough Rider doesn't eject hot empties down your shirt, or flop one out on your wrist, or send them flying back to your eye.  My Chiappa is reliable with ammo it likes, but ammo it doesn't will result in FTF's, FTE's, and so forth.  You put that same ammo in a Rough Rider, and it keeps on going "bang-bang" until empty.

The first Rough Rider I ever shot was one that a guy brought out to my local public range about a year ago.  It had a fairly short barrel, fixed sights, and bird's head grip.  And it looked totally beat to hell.  I wasn't expecting much.

This old boy had set up a dozen empty 12 gauge hulls at the 20 yard line, and I had no trouble dropping five in a row with the Heritage.  I had no trouble blowing out the ten ring of an NRA Slow Fire pistol target at 25 yards, either. Had I been shooting at squirrel's heads instead, I'd have been eating squirrel dumplings later that day.  

I've seen longer barreled ones fitted with adjustable sights and boxed with .22 Mag cylinders sell new for under $200.00.  If I were shopping price, I'd pick up one of those Rough Riders instead of the Chiappa 1911-22.  It seems that the Rough Rider isn't looked upon with too much favor on this board, or many others, for that matter, but personally, I think they're a MUCH better deal than the 1911-22 is.  

I like my Chiappa and I am glad to have it, as I've alredy got a lot of enjoyment out of shooting it.  I am, however, fortunate to have enough "disposable income" to risk buying what may well turn out to be a "disposable gun" a few years hence.  Absent of that luxury, I would not have considered it.

Ultimately, everyone has to make their own judgments about "value" and what that word means to them.  My personal opinion is that the Chiappa might be a nice novelty item to add to a collection of pistols, but as much as I like mine, I wouldn't want it to be the ONLY .22LR pistol in my gun room and if I really could only afford or justify the purchase of one .22LR handgun in this lifetime, there are a whole bunch of other options that I would consider first before the Chiappa 1911-22.

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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2010, 05:12:22 AM »
I am no handgun expert but I can account for the service life of the Chiappa 1911-22. I think it will last forever as I have a honest 10,000 plus rounds through it as of this summer. Most of the rounds shot have been my son messing around with bulk carton ammo. There is little to no wear on the slides, a little cosmetic wear on the barrel from the bushing. It likes solid round nose ammo the best and hates cheap hollow point ammo the most. Winchester x-pert ammo and Federal hollow point bulk is a no go ( feed issues ) Rem thunderbolt feeds well but dud rate sucks, Federal lightning runs good and is fairly accurate, blazer is about on par with lightnings, mini mags run great ( expensive ) stingers and velocitors are optimum in this gun but expensive as heck. I have seen no fouling of the bore and the action functions great untill you hit the 400 to 500 round mark ( tear down time ). Off of a bag the gun will shoot 100 yards 8" gong allmost every shot using cheap ammo. At 20 yards off hand the gun will hold a 2" to 3" group all day long. Mine has the adjustable rear target sight. The only down side to the gun is the plastic mags, I have had to heat them and retighten the feed lips to prevent stove pipe jams. The mags run great when new but wear out fast, they would be great mags if they cost five dollars.
Just my two cents on the Chiappa 1911-22. By the way it is WAY more accurate than my PK22 and allmost as, well not allmost as accurate as my MK3 but looks cooler.

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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2010, 07:28:49 PM »
Hi all

I saw the thread and had to say something. >:(
I started out reading the reviews and seeing the videos and things looked really good for this little pistol. I went to my local shop and looked at one in person. seemed ok so I bought one. Here in Canada you are required to have a restricted endorsement on your aquisition permit which also means you must have an authrization to transport permit in order to take a pistol home. after waiting almost a week I got the chance to try it out at the range.
I was shooting at an indoor 25 yard range and brought about 15 types of ammo with me to see what it would like. as with the others I stripped and cleaned and lubed it ( with oil not grease) and started the break -in period. I carfully loaded the mag and inserted it into the grip. I depressed the slide release and was pleased with the crisp slap into battery. I took aim and squeesed the trigger. It was not the trigger creep that was so bad as the fact that nothing happened when the hammer fell. just click. ??? recock and then BANG! I was then met with both a FTE and a FTF on the spent case and the next round. Light hammer strike, FTF , FTE failure to enter battery, it was a gong show. I struggled through 500 rounds without ever geting more than 4 to go without some sort of issue. Then I looked at the spent cases. there was a large bulge at the head of the cases. I was running out of things that could go wrong. I took the gun back to the store and they gave me another one. ( waited almost 2 weeks for the reg to be approved ) and went back to the range. same deal. it was like the same gun. I could not figure out how so many people gave this gun good reviews. I felt I could do better with a bic pen and an elastic band. and for 525 dollars. what a joke . It all ended yesterday at the range while I was trying to squeeze past the 1000 mark wich the shop claimed was the sweet point of break in glory. at about 1200 I suffered a stovepipe so I locked the slide back, cleared the jam and went to depress the mag eject to inspect. as soon as I pushed the button the slide released bringing the hammer with it. stripping a fresh round off the mag and discharged it with a supprising bang. Its like seeing a crash comming and looking down to see you were smart enough to put on your seatbelt. My muzzle was downrange and no one was hurt. Thank god
I latter saw that the steel slide stop had rounded the slide stop grove that was made of softer metal and was barely able to engage the slide at all. as for the hammer I still have no clue. Today I returned it for a refund and got a Ruger mkIII and a 597 vtr. as usual the italian gave me heartburn and I was forced to turn to my Glock G21 for some healthy guttoral german words on the subject - am now resting after my ordeal. Im sure there were some good ones in the run somewhere but not worth the chance in my books

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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2010, 08:35:47 PM »
I handled one at the store today....cool looking but I can buy a new low-end Buckmark for the same $$.   I have a Buckmark, Mk-I and Trailside, and that Chiappmunk is not in the same league as those three.  Nonetheless, Until I read the most recent review, I almost bought one....
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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2010, 05:13:00 AM »
I just put a Puma on layaway at Jay's; $240 + OTD.  It says on a search that the Puma is imported but the frame say's 'by Chiappa' on it.  So it appears to be the same gun, just maybe a different importer, or now Chiappa is naming it's models.  After reading all of the comments here, the most common complaint is the trigger pull; a problem should be able to be easily corrected.  And the fact that the guns like the high powered ammo and won't cycle well with standard velocity, or some in between.  That too is easily corrected by clipping off one coil on the recoil spring.  (Well, more or less.  You start out with a 1/2 a coil and progress slowly.  You should be able to find a compromise that will feed both well)  The only other complaint is the occasional double stack, which is due to a bad magazine which you can get with any autoloader.  I'm going for it, this gun's trigger is not great, but it's not horrible either.  It feels like my Ruger P85 but maybe just a tad heavier.  I can live with it until I can get around to making it better.  Durability seems not to be a problem.  Any firearm that can go over 10,000 rounds without a failure should go the distance just fine.  Most of us (talking only from my own experience) will never get that many rounds through any pistol we own!  44 Man
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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2010, 12:38:38 PM »
Well I picked it up today and got a little rainge time with it and it's more accurate than I am.  I had a couple of failure to fire with CCI Mini Mags, I'll try some other brands later.  It also failed to go into batter a few times and I attribute that to being new, and I only have 4 magazines through it.  The trigger was ok when I tried it in the store, got heavier as I was shooting it and is now lighter again.  I'll get more rounds through it and then tear it down and do a little polishing if necessary.  It's fun and I'm enjoying it so far.  44 Man
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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2010, 12:50:07 PM »
I sat at the bench last night and cleaned up the Chiappa.  I oiled it up and smoothed it a little.  I found that some of my very heavy trigger pulls yesterday were due to the slide not being completely into battery.  The trigger was being blocked by the disconnecter.  I also had an extra pair of 1911 grips in Rosewood and I installed them.  A heads-up is warranted to some who plan to change grips.  There are loose small parts and pins under spring pressure that are held in place with the grips.  Make sure you don't loose the safety plunger when you pull the grip off.  And if you are planning to replace grips, you must use a pair that extends over the safety plunger housing, as it is held in place only by the grip.  I took it back to the range and filed the front sight down to get it sighted in.  Then I serrated the front sight and reblacked it.  It performed better this time and I think it really looks cool with the new grips.  The discoloration on the bottom of the grips is only reflection in the camera, not in the grips.  I love this gun!  44 Man.

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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2010, 07:25:36 AM »
I sat at the bench last night and cleaned up the Chiappa.  I oiled it up and smoothed it a little.  I found that some of my very heavy trigger pulls yesterday were due to the slide not being completely into battery.  The trigger was being blocked by the disconnecter.  I also had an extra pair of 1911 grips in Rosewood and I installed them.  A heads-up is warranted to some who plan to change grips.  There are loose small parts and pins under spring pressure that are held in place with the grips.  Make sure you don't loose the safety plunger when you pull the grip off.  And if you are planning to replace grips, you must use a pair that extends over the safety plunger housing, as it is held in place only by the grip.  I took it back to the range and filed the front sight down to get it sighted in.  Then I serrated the front sight and reblacked it.  It performed better this time and I think it really looks cool with the new grips.  The discoloration on the bottom of the grips is only reflection in the camera, not in the grips.  I love this gun!  44 Man.



Very nice 8)  I've been considering one of these also.  Little further down my list, but some day.  ;)
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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2010, 07:41:48 AM »
I would also consider the GSG 1911 22lr.  I really liked my buddies when I was using it at the range.  Felt just like a full size gun.  I personally shoot a CZ Kadet.  It is a modification to the 75B, so it uses all the same parts as the full size gun.  I like being able to do combat training with low cost ammo.

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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2010, 06:40:45 PM »
Davidson's has one they had made up as an exclusive for them. It is supposed to have the trigger lightened and smoothed for just a little more money. List is $325, my local dealer had it listed at $257. Just maybe...

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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2011, 04:17:30 AM »
I pulled mine apart yesterday and lightened the trigger pull.  I didn't touch any sear or hammer surfaces, I only bent a little bit on the end of the trigger/sear spring, same as we do for the Ruger Blackhawks.  It brought the trigger pull down nicely and I'm very happy with it.  The fire control group is interesting.  It pulls out of the back of the gun after you remove the safety and a pin near the bottom of the grip.  If you do take yours apart, drive the bottom pin out first then watch how and where the safety bar lies after you remove the safety lever as it will now be loose.  I didn't do that and it just fell out onto the table.  It took be a long time to figure out how it went back in, so beware.  I can say I have not seen a fire control group like this before (it sure is not a 1911!) but it is ingenious and works just fine.  I'm still very happy with this gun!  :)  44 Man
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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2011, 04:24:58 PM »
$$man, are you seing how easy it is to put mega rounds through that little gun. I have 4 mags and find that when they get weak they tend to stovepipe. I just heat the feed lips up with a heat gun and pinch them in to the desired width. As the plastic mags wear down on the inside of the feed lips you have no recourse but to chuck them. I would love to see a metal clip or at least metal liped. What I have founds helps with the mags is to spray down the insides with teflon dry lube every now and then. My trigger is well broke in and smooth as glass now. I almost got a ATI 1911-22 as I am 30 miles south of Rochester NY were they are imported to. They look better built but the one I tried was a stove pipe king and would not buy one after experiencing it. What I like the most is when I pull the trigger it makes that pleasent sound, cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap to shoot. I am about to the point of having to stretch my spring as it is starting to weaken a tad. I would say between my son and my buddies we shoot a brick of federal lightnings up in about 3 weeks, you do the math. Still going strong unlike  my MK3 that is in for a broken firing pin. Im loving my mini 1911.

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Re: Chiappa 1911-22 Review
« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2011, 07:37:59 AM »
I have an update on mine.  When I was breaking it in (and had only one magazine) I would occasionally have a failure to go into battery.  I assumed that was from break in.  Then I bought two more magazines and found they preformed flawlessly.  So now I have narrowed it down to the original magazine.  If I load only 8 rounds into it, it is 100% so I have marked that one.  The gun is 100% with the new mags and the 8 in the original so I am happy.  I may pull the original apart and try stretching the spring and try it again with 10 rounds.  I see no wear on the mags yet.  They gun does love the Wal-mart Federals!  44 Man
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