FOID question

[GH1]

Do I need a FOID to buy powder, bullets, primers, & brass?
GH1

[torpedoman]

Not if you live in a free state

[GRIMJIM]

I just called my local gunshop and they said yes to all of the above.

[GH1]

Thanks GRIMJIM, that's kinda what I thought. 
GH1

[GRIMJIM]

No problem. I was pretty sure about the primers and powder but not too sure about the rest.

[luckydawg13]

yes you do

[BUGEYE]

If you are a resident of Illinois you must have a FOID.  however I can drive up from Georgia and buy ammo without one.  Illinois residents can cross the border in any direction and buy ammo.
Illinois gun laws are stupid.

[Glanceblamm]

Something might have changed over the last couple of years?

I talked to John, owner of the Bullet Express at that time about a Cousin who was coming in from out of State and might be needing some stuff. He (John) said that powder, primers, ammo would be no problem but a New firearm would have to be shipped to a FFL in his state.

[Paints-n-cows]

Something might have changed over the last couple of years?

I talked to John, owner of the Bullet Express at that time about a Cousin who was coming in from out of State and might be needing some stuff. He (John) said that powder, primers, ammo would be no problem but a New firearm would have to be shipped to a FFL in his state.

If you live in a surrounding state, you can purchase a long gun but still have to abide by our waiting time.  Handguns must go to an FFL in your own home state.

[Glanceblamm]

If you live in a surrounding state, you can purchase a long gun but still have to abide by our waiting time.  Handguns must go to an FFL in your own home state.

Yes Sir.

I believe that the powder, bullets, and primers can be purchased by the non-resident with no problem tho.

[PHATINJUN]

GH1 you do not need a foid to buy brass or bullets. If you are a IL resident you do need a foid to buy Guns ,Powder,ammo and primers though. In fact it is illegal to have a gun in your house unless someone who lives there has a foid.Kurt

[S.B.]

I think each store sets their own policies on the majority of this issue?
Steve

[Paints-n-cows]

I think each store sets their own policies on the majority of this issue?
Steve

Absolutely NOT!!!!!  The FOID law is fact and if you violate it, you will go to jail, you will be fined, and your firearms will be SEIZED!!!

In Jacksonville, a U/C State Trooper went into a gun store, showed his FOID card, and purchased a case of shotgun shells.  He left the store, went to his vehicle, put the case in the vehicle, and returned into the store.  There he purchased another case of shotgun shells.  The owner did not ask for his FOID card on the second purchase since it had been less than 5 minutes after the first one.

The owner was arrested and the contents of the store were seized!!!

Now, if you choose to not pay attention, then don't bitch when you go to jail and you firearms are taken from you.  The fact of the matter is that every gunowner in the State of Illinois needs to download a copy of the FOID act, read it, and keep a copy handy.

Kurt is correct.  There is no "store policy" in effect.  Ignore the rules as dictated by the Chicago Democrats and expect to suffer under them.

The anti-gunners and bureaucrats are ignorant of the rights and priviledges of the people and are more than happy to enforce them by whatever means necessary.

Firearms, muzzleloaders, shells, powder, primers are covered by the act.  And if you think that the ignorance of some clerk is going to protect you because he didn't ask you for your FOID, then I hope to High Heaven that the guy standing next to you isn't a U/C with an anti-gun agenda.

[S.B.]

Paints-n-cows, very well could be? I've had some ask for my FOID and others don't. Think the store owner in your story could challenge them if they were truely state troopers, he needs a good Chicago Jewish lawyer.
Steve

[Paints-n-cows]

They were Illinois State Police...no doubts about it.

Yes, you can challenge it and he did but the question is how much money can you willingly give out of your pocket to defend yourself.

The bottom line is this...we all live with this law have for a very long time.  I am NOT a supporter of it by any means but if you don't know what the rules are, then you need to find out.

This first link is the ISP FAQ page:
http://www.isp.state.il.us/foid/firearmsfaq.cfm

The second link is the actual legislation:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=1657&ChapAct=430%C2%A0ILCS%C2%A065/&ChapterID=39&ChapterName=PUBLIC+SAFETY&ActName=Firearm+Owners+Identification+Card+Act.

[S.B.]

Why did he have to pay out of his own pocket, wasn't he a member of ISRA? If he isn't why not? Or the NRA for that matter. Don't tell me your not aware of their help? Are you a member of these organazations?
Steve

[Paints-n-cows]

I don't know the specifics of his financial situation...no more than I do yours.

As a matter of fact, I do belong to those as well as a few others.  And for your information, I even used to work on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C. as a lobbyist for a pro-gun, pro-victims' rights back when Clinton was sneaking women in the White House.  I represented the organization as an expert witness in front of numerous state assemblies and spoke to gun rallies all over the East Coast and upper Midwest inluding the Illinois Assembly when the "assault weapons" ban was presented.

Now when you want to spout off about what someone else should have done, I am presenting you facts.

I am not going to debate what is fact with you.

Fact:::The FOID act is a law that we, as law-abiding citizens, have to abide by.
Fact:::If you fail to read and/or understand the law, then shame on you.
Fact:::If you choose to answer someone's question, do so in an accurate manner either by speaking with knowledge or direct them in a manner by which they may obtain the correct information.
Fact:::Don't present yourself as knowledgable unless you truly are.  I don't care what your uncle's third cousin's sister's babysitter's boyfriend did or heard or read.

[S.B.]

Paints in cows, think you've taken my posts all wrong? Who mentioned what a brothers sister in law, what was that? Yes your credentials are quite impressive. Please calm down and read what others have posted and yours as well.
Steve

[JBlk]

Bottom line for the FOID card in Illinois is that it is just another tax under the guise of a necessary law.Even though you are in possession of a valid Foid card you still are required to pay extra each and everytime you purchase a firearm for the merchant to call the state and verify your card.I sure wish that
the rest of you could share in this experience.It would provide you with some real insight about are future as lawful gun owners.

[Paints-n-cows]

Bottom line for the FOID card in Illinois is that it is just another tax under the guise of a necessary law.Even though you are in possession of a valid Foid card you still are required to pay extra each and everytime you purchase a firearm for the merchant to call the state and verify your card.I sure wish that
the rest of you could share in this experience.It would provide you with some real insight about are future as lawful gun owners.

ABSOLUTELY!!!!  It also serves as another method that allows the state to control and restrict those people that have a desire to exercise their Rights as granted by the U.S. Constitution.  You can point to the north end of the state who, under the guise of a Democrat/Organized Crime, originally introduced and pushed it through.

And once again, you have to comply with the letter of the Law with severe repercussion if you don't....however, if they ignore the law and take more than 30 days to release your FOID to you, nothing happens.   Sounds like the Brady Bill..no penalty for not destroying records taken during its administration.

[S.B.]

Paints-In-Cows, Not to be a smart ars but, if your store owner friend isn't aware of this please notify him of it?

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[Paints-n-cows]

You aren't being a smartass but I think that we definitely got off topic to some extent.

The guy is not a friend of mine...just knew the story.  I don't know the guy's name, how it all turned out nor anything else other than what I was told back when this all went down...and it was a direct story from the individual involved.

As far as his relationship with ISRA, again I don't have any information about that either.

Thanks for passing the information on about the banquet on this forum.

[S.B.]

I'd be glad to help any way I can.
Steve

[1sourdough]

 I've bought a few things in IL as a WI resident. I know it's different as an IL resident. I know the gunshops are real sticklers about the FOID card. I realize they have to be. I get the feeling the undercover sting is ever present. They've just about drove all the gunshops/stores away from Chicago, now what's that doing for their crime & shootings?

[Paints-n-cows]

Its to the point around here (and I live in west central Illinois), when you walk in a gunshop and even think about picking up a weapon to look at, you had better have a FOID card in your hand.

[GRIMJIM]

Yeah, now
Daley blames it on suburban gun shops. He even suggested charging gun manufacturers in the world court since the us courts think he's a nutjob.

[Paints-n-cows]

Well, like it has been said before....the UN/GBO is what every crackpot that doesn't get his way turns to.  Kind of like the deal in Sweden where the national referendum on a national election showed that, by cast vote, that they didn't want any more Muslin mosques in their county by a 68% majority...but the defeated Muslim-lovers filed a lawsuit in the "World Court" claiming prejudice.

Noooooooo.....they don't want you and the majority of the country said so.  Get the point.

Now Obama wants to release our gun records via a treaty to other nations in the world.  Go figure.

[panail]

the FOID card is nothing but a tax to fund the state police. what kind of imformation can you get off a FOID card , that you can't off a driver's license ? i imagine this all originated in the state of cook county , and the state capitol at chicago .

[Glanceblamm]

I believe that the Foid is a little bigger than that. While the IL State Police does issue ours, it is basically the same card that one from out of State needs to possess as part of a CCW license. The actual Foid number resides with the BAFT.

[jather]

i believe there is some store policy differences, not in enforcing foid rules proper, but expanding rules beyond stated parameters. experience: went into jacksonville retail store and bought a scope and scope rings. a friend was at the next checkout when i was asked by my clerk for foid card.commented to friend that now i had to show foid for a scope, to which my clerk responded it was not for the scope but the scope RINGS. think state has these people so scared that they ask for foid just to be on the "safe " side of the LAW. i find it very irritating that those buying or selling legally are put through the hoops rather than put more effort into catching bonafide criminal activities involving weapons/shooting supplies.  jather.