What's going on in American colleges today?

[Oldshooter]

Had a big Family get together yesterday afternoon. My nephew is troubled because he is going to the University of Houston to be an Opthamologist. But he is under attack from the students he knows that he should not continue in that line of study. That he should consider something not involving capitalism.   

What the hell is going on in colleges today ? I thought that is why you went to college?

I told him to stay away from the socialist and make good grades so he could support em when he gets his own practice! 

Seriously, is it any wonder that more people aren't up in arms about Government Health care?

[wreckhog]

What has he been smoking?

[Old Fart]

I told him to stay away from the socialist and make good grades so he could support em when he gets his own practice! 

Ah university life.......the home to liberal thinking.
You advice seems appropriate enough.

Most will drop out once mon and dad quit supporting them and thier failing grades.

[Oldshooter]

What has he been smoking?

OH YEA, I TOLD HIM TO AVOID FOLK LIKE YOU AS WELL!   

[ToadHill]

That kind of stuff has been around for over 40 years.  When I went to college they dropped division 1 football because they didn't have enough money but they were able to fund the "Students for a Democratic Society" read commy front organization, for  almost as much as they spent on football.  They still get a piece of my mind every time they call for a donation.

[GH1]

Most of our higher learning institutions have become bastions of liberal conditioning of our young Americans, for reasons I don't understand.  Perhaps it has somethiong to do with government funding of education, I really don't know.  I find it disturbing.
GH1

[Wyo. Coyote Hunter]

  You are quite right...Even here in Wy. the Un. at Laramie has a bunch of liberals that have succeed in stopping logging in the Nat. Forests in this area...now they are being destroyed by beetles...BUT do you think the forest service has enough guts to say they were the cause.....Thomas Jefferson said every 50 years (I am not sure on the years) America needs a good revolution...we are way past due....

[wreckhog]

Consider that for hundreds of years in America, most colleges have had a school of LIBERAL arts. Which includes pre med and pre law. Which makes every doctor and lawyer a liberal by choice. War or revoultion is needed every few years for population control. Ie, got to kill off the youngsters so the old people can compete. Note that a huge issue with Obamacare is that more people will now live to retirement age, instead of dying like they are supposed to. Providing a crapload of jobs fors docs, but killing the SS system, pension funds, etc.

[DDZ]

The reason that they have become bastions of liberal conditioning is because a large majority employ Liberal professors. What do liberal professors teach. How about sense of entitlement, victim mentality, dissemble all our problems away, or put them on someone else. Freedom from God in all spaces, the, I've got mine mentality, and how to suckle on the Government tit. They are taught that everyone owes them something, and that if you screw up just look to government to bail you out of your bad choices you made. They are taught to except change whether its right or wrong. Kids get all this for thousands of dollars of Mom and Dads money. Then many wonder why they can't get a job, after their indoctrination.  

What happened to the work ethic that built this country, or Personal responsibility, and accountability. What happened to integrity, Or community values?
It isn't just college, it starts in K-12 where we have allowed a labor union for teachers, and lawyers and politicians to dictate what the school curriculum is for our students. These people are in place to insure that the methods and classes taught keep every student at the exact same level so they have each graduating class representative of the lowest common denominator. dumb it down so the slowest can pass, and stifle any hope of future achievers.  

[DDZ]

Here is an example of a product from one of our institutes of higher learning. I believe from Edison state college, who has been working at McDonalds for four years. This kid is the limit!


http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/23/slaying-the-cult-of-the-obama-zombies/

[Wyo. Coyote Hunter]

   DDZ, you have many valid points...I am sure they are correct...but I am not sure the teachers are responsible for dumbing down the education of students...I did teach in Pa. but that was back in the dark ages when a paddle was still used, and students expected to learn, behave, or fail the class....I cannot speak for Pa., but here, I also taught... now the state came along and wrote tests the students have to pass to move on to the next grade...now, they are not telling teachers what to teach, (they say), but the kids have to pass this test...so you teach to the test...the information on the tests I saw, was mostly the unimportant material that is involved in every class.  Free thinking or discussion was not encouraged...I always felt the most important lessons taught were lessons about people and life...there maybe no CORRECT answers to the questions we discussed, but it made kids think about life, others, and of course the motives of gov.t... I taught lit. and much was related to history, and how America came to be and the basic beliefs of our founding fathers...When one related history to the events we were going though at the time...kids could see the need for history, lit. etc...now I suspect they are memorizing a bunch of useless information, and all free discussion is at a minimun...

[wreckhog]

The schools are responsible.

Even Bob Jones University has a LIBERAL education focus.

http://www.bju.edu/academics/christian-liberal-arts.php

[DDZ]

Wyo, I'm not really blaming the teachers. They are what they are. There are bad teachers and there are good teachers. It is the union I blame more than a bad teacher, because the union protects laziness, negligence, and ineptitude.  Most of all I blame us for allowing government to run and dictate what and how our students are taught. We have kids in this country graduating high that have trouble reading, writing, and basic math.
 
When you taught you were able to teach American history and what our founders believed and how they formed the Charters, and what they mean. Maybe there are some schools that still do teach these kind of things, but the majority do not. Not public schools anyway. I do believe also that the most important lessons are taught about life and people. I doubt that much of those are taught anymore either.

Why are our universities filled with liberal professors? Is it because there are just not many conservative professors, and that they choose other avenues of employment and careers?     

[Brett]

It amazes me how the thought processes of this nations young have become so twisted.

Being a Capitalist (a self sufficient, productive member of society) is considered scornful. 

Being a Socialist (a reliant, non-productive leach living off of society) is considered admirable.   

[rockbilly]

I haven’t personally read the Health Care Bill, but I have spent a lot of time in doctor’s offices over the past 6-8 weeks and had several conversations with doctors about the bill.  One of the best Cardio Vassar surgeons in the local area said he was not taking any new patients and would eventually close his practice due to the constraints the government will put on his practice.  He has a daughter, also at the U. of Texas Health Care Center in Huston, she is studying for a medical career, he said after this semester she will transfer to Texas A&M and change her degree program to Veterinary medicine because of the pending changes from the bill.

Today one of our local General Care doctors announced on TV that he would be closing his office due to the bill.  I think the people who advised your nephew may be of the same mind set as many doctors today, it just ain't worth the effort (and pay) under Obama Care.

[wreckhog]

Talked to my pediatrican today (kid has strep). She said that Obamacare is good. That said, she chose a specialty to help kids, not play golf.

[Sourdough]

Sky often times drives my truck to school, or I drop him off then pick him up.  My truck makes for a lot of controversy around campus.  The liberal kids don't like it with the wolf in the crosshairs on the doors.  A few has made the mistake of trying to start something with him about it.  He usually puts them down verbally so bad they don't want to try that again.  One kid walked into the gym on evening and started something.  Then this kid got physical, he made two mistakes.  First there was witnesses to the fact he started it and threw the first punch. Second he picked on a Hockey player.  Sky only hit him twice, the guy could not get up to give him a third shot. 

At University Of Alaska Fairbanks the liberals have for the most part learned to stay out of the way of the more Conservative Athletes.  Now Sky has the body that most young girls swoon over.  He is a Hockey player and a body builder, he has muscles bulging everywhere.  One day this girl with dreadlocks tried to engage him in a conversation.  He just gave her a disgusting look and walked away.  she would not let it go.  She started yelling about him treating her that way, trying to make a big deal out of it in front of several guys.  Sky stopped at the door and very loudly said.  "First of all, you need to start wearing a flea coller.  Then shave your head, and maybe I'll reconsider talking to you".  Since then they leave him alone.  The girl with the dread locks hasn't spoke to him since.

[BoomLover]

I always wear a cap, but...my cap is off to Sky! Says what he means and won't back down when he is right! Can we interest this kid in a short stint in Congress or the Senate? We could get some worthwhile bills written that would help this country instead of hinder it! BoomLover

[magooch]

Most of the liberals I know, learned their stupid liberalism from their parents.  Most of them didn't go to college.  I know it was a long time ago, but when I went to college, I can't recall any political talk at all; there wasn't time for it.

The only point I'm making is that there is more than one way to make a lib, so I would never discourage our yutes from getting as much training and education as they can.  If they get the right preparation at home, they should be able to sort through the crap they are exposed to--from whatever the source.

[myronman3]

wreckhog, i have about had it with your garbage.   try posting something positive or at least informative once in a while instead of the trash you have become known for.   

[MGMorden]

The schools are responsible.

Even Bob Jones University has a LIBERAL education focus.

http://www.bju.edu/academics/christian-liberal-arts.php

Why demonize a mere word?  The LIBERAL (see it's scary if I put it in all caps) in liberal arts is not the same contextually as the word liberal used in political speech, anymore than someone is a political liberal for using a LIBERAL amount of syrup on their pancakes each morning.  In education, just about everything not considered science or engineering is lumped into liberal arts.  That's a terminology that's been around for ages and most people in higher education are beyond the level of childishness involved in renaming something because it has the same name as a new boogeyman (a la "freedom fries").

Liberal arts majors were often partiers - lots of frat boys and the like.   Being a in a science major we often kinda looked at them with a little contempt (as a job interviewer once told me for hiring fresh graduates - "For a liberal arts major we want at least a 3.3 cumulative GPA.  For science and engineering majors a 2.7 will do."), but it wasn't politically motivated.  "LIBERAL" arts majors were about as spread out politically as any other group.

[wreckhog]

wreckhog, i have about had it with your garbage.   try posting something positive or at least informative once in a while instead of the trash you have become known for.  

What on earth are you talking about? Positive like this?

notnowjohn-

messing with those sorry scrubs in the desert is one thing, who do you think you will face here at home?

    i will tell you who, the people that came before you and know every single one of your tricks and tactics.  and brother, if you think you have seen hardcore, you havent seen a damn thing.  the veterans of this country will eat the active armed forces alive.   there is a rage boiling and you have better pray it is not unleashed because your @$$ will be sucking buttermilk if you are left alive. 
   you talk of wrestling your friend and climbing ropes.....i call you a damn cherry who is trying to be somebody.  you turn on the american people, then YOU are the enemy of the constitution and i will have not one problem honoring the oath that i took and putting you down like a mangy dog.   what do you think "foreign and DOMESTIC" means?   get a clue.   
   there is nothing more vicious than an american protecting his home.  pity the fool who has to find this out the hard way. 
   

[myronman3]

 you full well know what i was talking about....  the post of yours that got deleted (the second part of that sentence was for everyone else so they would know what i was talking about).  

   and i stand by that quote, too.   in fact, i am outright proud of it.  you should have included the link to the topic so everyone could understand the entire conversation instead of cherry picking a post and leaving out the other posts to which that was a reply.    it doesnt matter though, i dont think you will be around much longer anyhow. 

[SHOOTALL]

Some schools are in it for the profit , some to brain wash and a few to really educate still. And we pay for all three . They just laugh !

[teamnelson]

Used to be on the staff of a college/seminary in NC and there's one sector of our society that most folks don't realize how liberalism in the institutions has essentially saturated and changed public perception, and that's the church. Time was, seminaries were respected, pastors were respected; scriptures and the study thereof was considered a serious matter, worthy of our best efforts, and essential to our nation. The very first colleges were devoted solely to the training of pastors, But other things were added over time, liberalism infiltrated, then saturated. My own alma mater had reached the point where few of the professors believed in the inerrancy of scripture, the resurrection, the virgin birth, and some didn't even believe in the divinity of Christ much less that He was a real person. They recruited homosexual students, they handed out porn in the ethics classes. Imagine that: decades of pastors going through that mill coming out the other end saturated. Multiply that around the country, and literally thousands of pastors for generations came through doubting the very word they were supposed to preach.

So of course churches went 3 ways: they embraced the liberalism, they rejected seminary trained pastors, or they sought to take the process back ... and happily a good number have reversed the course. But there remains in the church today alot of liberal notion as the direct result of the pastors seminary experience, or confused doctrine as the direct result of untrained pastors who lack professional development.

So lots of people now believe the church to be full of pansy liberals, or ignorant passionate fire breathers. Very few have any genuine regard for those God called out to serve vocationally. And the church in America is dying. And a lion's share of that can be laid at the feet of the liberalization of the very institutions established to keep the church healthy. And most folks have no idea - they're just dissatisfied with the way things are.

Imagine that across all of the "professions" colleges were created to prepare folks for.

[bilmac]

Univ of Wyo signed up Bill Ayers to come give a talk.  The public found out about it. The guy who asked him to come had to back down and sent letters of apology to newspapers around the State.

[DDZ]

Bill Ayers did come and talk at Pittsburgh university. There was a bit of fuss, but nothing much really happened. He spoke there.
You all know good ole Pa. always elect's socialists, and really didn't have a problem with a communist, terrorist, what ever you want to call him, speaking at Pitt.  How would you like that guy speaking to your Son or Daughter?  What a disgrace some of our schools have become.

[Oldshooter]

They recruited homosexual students, they handed out porn in the ethics classes. Imagine that: decades of pastors going through that mill coming out the other end saturated. Multiply that around the country, and literally thousands of pastors for generations came through doubting the very word they were supposed to preach.

Please tell me you made that up! That is incredible !   

[slim rem 7]

this here thread has some post thats hard to make any sense out of..
 that might be a good thing ..i don t guess i ll ever know..i suspect i oughta be kinda glad i don t
 .. anyway if the fella wants to be a opthamologist,what ever that is.. i hope he does it ,best he can..has that got something to do with vision correction...slim

[rogertc1]

I work in a small college. I think your relative is hanging with the stoner crowd. The wring crowd. He has the advantage of a big school where he has to find himself, In the fields he wants to go in he won't have much  time to play or even drinking. That field is very intense and competive.