Author Topic: Health care vs America (Read 1434 times)

bulletstuffer · « **on:** March 21, 2010, 06:34:27 AM »

The vast majority of Americans oppose the health care bill. We call, we write, we protest by the millions in opposition to the bill only to have it fall on deaf ears

It appears they feel our GOD given rights are thiers to redistribute to the people who they feel are worthy.

It is evident that GOD has been taken out of the government leaving the empty shell of man. The words have been twisted to the extent that they are meaningless coming out of the mouths of the politicians.

If this health care bill was so wonderful why would the government create a new army of 16,000 IRS workers to bring an assault on all Americans? I fear for our children and our country.

I don't wear GOD on my sleeve I carry him in my heart.

Bulletstuffer

Heather · « **Reply #1 on:** March 21, 2010, 06:52:32 AM »

Yes some non-sheeple Americans are dead set against this Health-care bill, but the problem we have today is that there is still some blinded sheep who feel the Government can take better care of them than they can themselves!

Heather

eye shot · « **Reply #2 on:** March 21, 2010, 07:13:44 AM »

Bye, Bye Miss American Pie!

DDZ · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2010, 07:14:55 AM »

If the vast majority of Americans are against the health care bill, why did 69 million (53%) voters vote for Obama? Especially after he said that he wanted to implement national health care. Can't figure out how people vote for a socialist, then complain when they implement their socialist ideas.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2010, 07:17:28 AM »

It's not the forcing health care on us that bothers me as much as the huge percentage of the economy that the Feds will control.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #5 on:** March 21, 2010, 07:22:04 AM »

Quote from: DDZ on March 21, 2010, 07:14:55 AM

If the vast majority of Americans are against the health care bill, why did 69 million (53%) voters vote for Obama? Especially after he said that he wanted to implement national health care. Can't figure out how people vote for a socialist, then complain when they implement their socialist ideas.

I think health care needs an overhaul. I believe a lot of people voted for obama because they wanted to believe in him. They did not listen to what he said before he was running, only his campaign rhetoric. They did not see where he came from.

But it isnt just obama! Its a runaway legislature, they think they know best! I still say if they dont want it for themselves I dont want it either!

MGMorden · « **Reply #6 on:** March 21, 2010, 09:37:27 AM »

Quote from: DDZ on March 21, 2010, 07:14:55 AM

If the vast majority of Americans are against the health care bill, why did 69 million (53%) voters vote for Obama? Especially after he said that he wanted to implement national health care. Can't figure out how people vote for a socialist, then complain when they implement their socialist ideas.

My understanding is that many/most are against the proposed bill, but for differing reasons. Lots of people who are against it want complete privatization of the healthcare system. Many others want a complete national healthcare system ala Canada or the UK. This bill does neither. It's a "compromise" bill, and as they say, with a "compromise" you only assure that EVERYONE is unhappy. Both groups would be against the current bill, but that doesn't mean that the country as a whole doesn't support public healthcare. Doesn't mean that they do either. I think overall support of what they have put up for vote today is just a poor indicator of the attitude of the people.

DDZ · « **Reply #7 on:** March 21, 2010, 10:32:35 AM »

Well I'm one of the ones that think Government should have nothing at all to do with health care. Look how many years they have had to get the postal service right, and it is broke. I don't care what kind of bill it is. Even if its not a compromise, the Feds should have nothing to do with it. What makes people think that if its the right stuff in the bill that its ok if the government runs it. Do these people really think that it would be better if government had control of health care?
Lets just bend the Constitution a little bit and call health care a right. Then at least half the people will be happy.

If the government would quit rewarding irresponsibility and dependency, maybe the health care issue would fix itself.

Heather · « **Reply #8 on:** March 21, 2010, 10:41:24 AM »

Quote from: DDZ on March 21, 2010, 10:32:35 AM

Well I'm one of the ones that think Government should have nothing at all to do with health care. Look how many years they have had to get the postal service right, and it is broke. I don't care what kind of bill it is. Even if its not a compromise, the Feds should have nothing to do with it. What makes people think that if its the right stuff in the bill that its ok if the government runs it. Do these people really think that it would be better if government had control of health care?
Lets just bend the Constitution a little bit and call health care a right. Then at least half the people will be happy.

If the government would quit rewarding irresponsibility and dependency, maybe the health care issue would fix itself.

+1 I couldn't have said it better myself!

Heather

powderman · « **Reply #9 on:** March 21, 2010, 11:16:39 AM »

If the government would quit rewarding irresponsibility and dependency, maybe the health care issue would fix itself.

YEP. Go ahead have sex, shack up, the govt will pay for it. Don't want the baby??? No problem, the govt will pay to murder it. POWDERMAN.

steve y · « **Reply #10 on:** March 21, 2010, 11:50:15 AM »

Powderman, guess you musta missed Stupak got bought off no less than by the president hisself. Said there'd be an executive order to make sure we don't kill any little unviable tissue masses. Seems there will be lots of EO's to right what is wrong with this bill. The corruption, out in the bright sunshine, is staggeringly displayed today.

Steve

powderman · « **Reply #11 on:** March 21, 2010, 12:14:45 PM »

STEVE Y. I believe nothing that comes out of osamas mouth. POWDERMAN.

nomosendero · « **Reply #12 on:** March 21, 2010, 05:50:33 PM »

The Demons have it!

bulletstuffer · « **Reply #13 on:** March 21, 2010, 06:01:38 PM »

What has happened to our country

Bulletstuffer

sk330lc · « **Reply #14 on:** March 21, 2010, 06:12:32 PM »

God Help Us and Be with Us in these MESSED UP TIMES!

VOTE EVERY ONE OF, THE SORRY GOOD FOR NOTHING SONS OF ******* OUT THIS FALL!! Pass the word and tell everybody to vote. If they are in office now, (good or bad) VOTE them OUT. Maybe then and only then will they listen.

jjas · « **Reply #15 on:** March 21, 2010, 07:59:57 PM »

While I'm not pleased about Obamacare costing me more out of pocket, I'm not really thrilled w/the Republicans on this issue either.

Republicans kept saying over and over that "something" needed to be done about healthcare costs and they threw out a few ideas (tort reform, ability to cross state lines) but I never once saw a comprehensive alternate plan (complete with cbo numbers) that showed exactly what Republicans wanted to do, how they would do it and what it would cost.

I'm not happy about paying $100.00 per week for my family's healthcare and while I'm sure that Obamacare won't lower my costs the Republicans didn't offer anything to help either.

In my eyes, both parties are a joke........

wreckhog · « **Reply #16 on:** March 21, 2010, 10:47:30 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on March 21, 2010, 07:17:28 AM

It's not the forcing health care on us that bothers me as much as the huge percentage of the economy that the Feds will control.

Someone out there agrees with you.

http://worldreports.org/news/276_three_disturbing_issues_to_ponder_while_we_wait

MACROFINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS OF THE PASSAGE OF THE U.S. HEALTH CARE BILL
The first is a pointed comment on the passage of the US Leninist Health Care financial pipeline, which will enable the financial criminals in high office and the banksters to refinance the next generation of financial scams.

Interestingly, we have been learning from potent anecdotal evidence in New York that it appears that a significant proportion of ordinary men and women in the US street understand very well that this so-called Health Care programme represents another unprecedented financial racketeering operation, although few people understand how it will work.

Correspondent Dick Eastman, who may be of Jewish extraction himself, sums the matter up rather succinctly, as follows:

HEALTH CARE PASSES:

• Medicine to be rationed politically.
• Mandatory insurance will simply deliver more premium capital to Wall Street.
• Jewish High Finance will determine what can be spared for operations, tests,
medication, hospitalization, etc.

• Note: You didn't think the Money Power was going to let those Congressmen
out of that building without passing their bill, did you?

Here is the Leninist money-making scam that Americans have just been saddled with:

• Medicine to be rationed politically:
Compulsory insurance will simply deliver more premium capital to Wall Street.

This is because insurance companies invest on Wall Street the money premiums that they do not yet have to pay out; while government political rationing will mean that less and less is paid out: so that more and more of the premiums will remain in the hands of the criminal financial enterprises.

• Editor’s insert: This, friends, is how the financial enterprises will stay afloat and prosper, given that the US Dollar Refunding Programme is indeed to be handled in the private sector, as we have all along recommended, not by the Government.

• Editor’s further insert: Meanwhile, in accordance with Lenin’s textbook, High Finance will determine what can be spared for operations, tests, medication, and hospital care for the people.

wreckhog · « **Reply #17 on:** March 21, 2010, 10:49:04 PM »

Quote from: jjas on March 21, 2010, 07:59:57 PM

While I'm not pleased about Obamacare costing me more out of pocket, I'm not really thrilled w/the Republicans on this issue either.

Republicans kept saying over and over that "something" needed to be done about healthcare costs and they threw out a few ideas (tort reform, ability to cross state lines) but I never once saw a comprehensive alternate plan (complete with cbo numbers) that showed exactly what Republicans wanted to do, how they would do it and what it would cost.

I'm not happy about paying $100.00 per week for my family's healthcare and while I'm sure that Obamacare won't lower my costs the Republicans didn't offer anything to help either.

In my eyes, both parties are a joke........

$100/week is cheap if you are covering 100%. Seriously.

wreckhog · « **Reply #18 on:** March 21, 2010, 10:52:02 PM »

Quote from: powderman on March 21, 2010, 11:16:39 AM

If the government would quit rewarding irresponsibility and dependency, maybe the health care issue would fix itself.

YEP. Go ahead have sex, shack up, the govt will pay for it. Don't want the baby??? No problem, the govt will pay to murder it. POWDERMAN.

Go ahead, smoke those cigs, get cancer, we will pay for it. Eat that meat, get heart disease, we will pay for it. Want cheaper health care, tax smokes and fat. By allowing these vices to be insured, we are rewarding irresponsibility and dependency.

Dand · « **Reply #19 on:** March 21, 2010, 11:45:25 PM »

I wonder how the campaign funds will look for the GOP now. Will passage of health care be their biggest fund raiser?

jjas: I understand your perspective but the Republicans I corresponded with were unwilling to do a big package deal. Some preferred some smaller limited range bills to attack certain issues in a more direct way, to do things piece by piece. Those bills never saw the light of day. I tended to support that effort.

There is some truth to Obama's retort that GOP had 8 years to do something.

Now maybe Pelosi can do as she was quoted: "pass the bill so we can find out what's in it..." sheesh!

I wonder who will make the first supreme court challenge and on what grounds?
What a mess.

Victor3 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 22, 2010, 12:05:29 AM »

Quote from: wreckhog on March 21, 2010, 10:52:02 PM

Go ahead, smoke those cigs, get cancer, we will pay for it. Eat that meat, get heart disease, we will pay for it. Want cheaper health care, tax smokes and fat. By allowing these vices to be insured, we are rewarding irresponsibility and dependency.

Don't forget guns and ammo.

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 22, 2010, 02:12:30 AM »

so iguess they got the healthcare bill passed huh..ive not watched much news lately.. slim
just caught the news.. time now,, for patriots to have thier metal tested..mabe.

Tommyt · « **Reply #22 on:** March 22, 2010, 02:15:50 AM »

Quote from: Victor3 on March 22, 2010, 12:05:29 AM

Quote from: wreckhog on March 21, 2010, 10:52:02 PM
Go ahead, smoke those cigs, get cancer, we will pay for it. Eat that meat, get heart disease, we will pay for it. Want cheaper health care, tax smokes and fat. By allowing these vices to be insured, we are rewarding irresponsibility and dependency.

Don't forget guns and ammo.

They are well on their way to Pull that Plug too
I say it will happen within 10 yrs
If the Public doesn't Explode and states drop from the union
as of today I feel the rug is pulled
I'm hoping for someone to come up with a Legal way
To stop this commies

Tommyt

Tommyt · « **Reply #23 on:** March 22, 2010, 02:17:43 AM »

Quote from: slim rem 7 on March 22, 2010, 02:12:30 AM

so iguess they got the healthcare bill passed huh..ive not watched much news lately.. slim

Pelosi the space monkey said we did it all for the People
I wish her all the Luck when her Plane falls from the sky

Savage .250 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 22, 2010, 02:18:32 AM »

Some folks on here voted for....change. I guess now they will fill in the blanks after the fact.

Brett · « **Reply #25 on:** March 22, 2010, 02:24:52 AM »

So much for government for the people and by the people.

gypsyman · « **Reply #26 on:** March 22, 2010, 02:44:41 AM »

There is a talk show host by the name of Mark Levin, that said that if the bill passed, his organization will bring up a lawsuit against the bill. From what I caught from a bit of his show, it seems that the whole thing is totally against the constitution. Being that the bills that went thru the senate, and the house where different somehow. And that when done legally, they have to be the same. 'Course when you look at who's running this country, does that surprise anyone?? gypsyman

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #27 on:** March 22, 2010, 02:57:17 AM »

It seems several states are going to go to court over this . Lets hope the Consitution is considered here . This might be the biggest attack on freedom in our history . The out come of the court case may very vell have more impact than any other event in our history . We live in very scary times , we the people have been commited to provide a service to ourselves and "others" that we can not pay for . The concept of free trade has been omited from the process . The incentive to produce will be negated by the over burden of tax .
GOOD LUCK .

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #28 on:** March 22, 2010, 03:15:26 AM »

Said last night, 38 states are filing lawsuits. Lots of questions in the bill that may be unconstitutional. Some insurance companies are filing also. With the additional people who will be forced to get insurance, this will mean we need more doctors. Lines will follow. Care will diminish, just like in other countries.

gstewart44 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 22, 2010, 03:19:28 AM »

The Florida Attorney General is filing suit to take this to the SCOTUS as being unconstitutional as soon as the Great Imposter puts his pen on the signatory line.