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Gun Rights & 2nd Amendment
« on: March 11, 2010, 08:58:58 AM »
Yesterday, the Mass. supreme court upheld a state law requiring all firearms to be locked IN YOUR HOME!   How can restrictions be put on our right to bear arms?  Are all kitchen knives going to be required to be locked up too?

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2010, 09:08:56 AM »
Why would an obongo supporter such as yourself care?
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2010, 09:18:22 AM »
Why would an obongo supporter such as yourself care?

YEP. Not like Mass is part of America anymore. POWDERMAN.  ::) ::)
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2010, 09:23:24 AM »
Well, Billy, I have own a fair amount of guns and ammo.  In the last 2 month,  I have dropped $1,000 in reloading equipment and supplies.  I have a strong interest in hunting and gun ownership.  Don't you own any firearms?

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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2010, 10:02:58 AM »
I'm ignorant of the ways of the people of the state Mass.
Is this how most people feel up there?
Is it a state full of gun haters?
Or how do the legislators elected up there that pull a stunt like this?

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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2010, 10:13:14 AM »
I'm ignorant of the ways of the people of the state Mass.
Is this how most people feel up there?
Is it a state full of gun haters?
Or how do the legislators elected up there that pull a stunt like this?




Because they are liberal  dumcraps and keep electing liberal dumcraps. Simple enough. POWDERMAN.  :P :P
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2010, 10:14:58 AM »
Dumb-o-crats don't mind owning guns . They just don't want others owning them . sagegrouse715 , no cut intended but is the record of the liberals not clear ? It about control . They believe they know how we should live better than we do. Look at the history of the dumb-o-crats in office over the past 30 years . They get in with promises but never deliver , they change up and make excuses . If you are a gun lover , hunter , like holding on to what you earn etc ya might look right . If you like being liberal so be but look at their track record and expect more of the same.
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2010, 10:38:55 AM »
So you two are from this state?

I'm just looking for some firsthand knowledge is all.
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2010, 12:25:35 PM »
You reap what you sow obongo socialist.
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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2010, 12:33:00 PM »
Yesterday, the Mass. supreme court upheld a state law requiring all firearms to be locked IN YOUR HOME!   How can restrictions be put on our right to bear arms?  Are all kitchen knives going to be required to be locked up too?

at  what  point  are you allowed to unlock  them?


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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2010, 12:33:47 PM »
Shootall & Billy
I am not getting into this grade school name slurring like dumb-o-crat, obongo, or Liberfairies.


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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2010, 12:35:21 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2010, 03:07:07 PM »
I read this on Mass.

Massachusetts law takes the position that if you are not within the walls of your home, you MUST make every attempt to escape or avoid all confrontation with an aggressor before your right of self defense arises.  The basic difference between self defense inside your home and outside your home is that inside your home, you have no duty to retreat.  Outside your home you must retreat if you can do so safely.

So I guess if you have to run away from the bad guys unless your in your home, so must figure they might as well be locked up? 
So do they say they always have to be locked up even if your home?  Or can you have one on you loaded in your own home?

I don't think I like those laws.  Bottom line is, the people in that state voted themselves in that situation.  They have to vote themselves out of it.


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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2010, 03:12:27 PM »
First off, I'ld never live in Mass. Second, and most important, who the hell is going to enforce this law. Do you have so many LE in Mass. that their going to do house to house search's. Keep your mouth shut and keep your guns handy!! gypsyman
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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2010, 03:51:29 PM »
Didn't MA just replace Dead Ted with a Republican? So where does the new guy stand on this?

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« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2010, 05:01:21 PM »
Didn't MA just replace Dead Ted with a Republican? So where does the new guy stand on this?

Voted with the democrats every time so far, just another politician who changed his party name to get on the gravy train and screw the ones who voted him in expecting him to do what he was sent there to do. You'll see a lot more of it the dems are resigning  in droves so that their party can run a new face to get those voters to vote them in because they are not the incumbent so they must be O.K. even if they are liberals and will continue the same ole party line.
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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2010, 05:53:32 PM »
For the MA residents, if I am in my car, do I still have a duty to retreat? Does the ADA agree with this legislation? I'd hate for a handicapped person to suffer needlessly because they were unable to retreat as is their duty. Elderly & Children too I gather? I think the legislation is biased in favor of the able bodied.

Also, if I see a violent crime in progress against another individual, am I held harmless for failing to intervene?
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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2010, 02:10:02 AM »
Shootall & Billy
I am not getting into this grade school name slurring like dumb-o-crat, obongo, or Liberfairies.

You're not the only one.  Too many amongst our ranks wonder just why others don't take them seriously when half of their arguments seem to boil down to twisting the name of whoever they're arguing against into whatever cutest little catchy thing they can.  Good luck there fellas.  

When you're ready to discuss things like an adult, the rest of the country might start listening again.  Heck I believe some might still not have caught on that you can't win an argument simply by replacing all the C's in a word with K's.

Back on topic though, as to MA, your best bet in this case is to convince your neighbors otherwise.  Your government is elected.  Go to your town hall meetings and your water coolers and express the benefits of gun ownership, concealed carry, etc , without resorting to name calling, and see what you can do.  Alternatively, you could always move, but despite political leanings it understandable that people often have a lot of financial and emotion ties to a particular place.


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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2010, 02:15:16 AM »
Hey I will not say his name. I find it funny how a liberal obongo supporter is whining about gun control laws. Liberal scum needs to learn you reap what you sow.
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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2010, 03:25:37 AM »
Everyone should understand the rules.  Name calling shall only be tolerated if it is a liberal calling a conservative a neocon, or a war monger, or antisocial, or in the case of our last President--a shrub, or baby killer.  So let's get right and walk the line.
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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2010, 03:42:05 AM »
Pond scum knows no political persuasion. 

By the way, I don't live in Massachusetts so I am not impacted by this law.  This law just causes me concern

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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2010, 03:45:49 AM »
Shootall & Billy
I am not getting into this grade school name slurring like dumb-o-crat, obongo, or Liberfairies.

You're not the only one.  Too many amongst our ranks wonder just why others don't take them seriously when half of their arguments seem to boil down to twisting the name of whoever they're arguing against into whatever cutest little catchy thing they can.  Good luck there fellas.  

When you're ready to discuss things like an adult, the rest of the country might start listening again.  Heck I believe some might still not have caught on that you can't win an argument simply by replacing all the C's in a word with K's.

Fantastic point.  It is sad that people think this is either clever, persuasive, or mature.  Apparently some still plan to win debates the way they did in 2nd grade...

And it does not matter which side of the political spectrum the speaker (poster) is on...

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« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2010, 03:57:27 AM »
I still find it hilarious an obongo supporter is complaining about a gun control law. Maybe we can get a consice report on why from some of our highly educated legal minds here. Kinda like our politicians we need to be lead by such intellectuals.

The problem with liberal scum is that they cannot link, they focus on the government giving them everything and then whine when that all powerful government steps on their precious toes.

I expect nothing important to caome out of a bunch of baby killers.

And as far as me using obongo for that guy I will not ever use his name. He and all of those who voted for him are beneath my contempt.
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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2010, 04:47:09 AM »
I am rubber and you're glue........

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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2010, 05:42:30 AM »
What was thread about again? Oh yeah, gun control.
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« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2010, 08:24:41 AM »
Yall need to get the writers of this legislation and all those that voted for it and wave thier names around in print and electronic media. If the citizens of your fair state don't retaliate next chance, it might be a good state to "used to lived in". eddiegjr
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« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2010, 12:00:19 PM »
I am rubber and you're glue........

i  like it.....lol

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we  need  a little  humor

the  fact  that  states  are incrementally  taking  away  our  rights
is  a dead  serious  business

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« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2010, 05:05:36 PM »
 You know, another bad thing about the MA law, aside from being an attack on our rights, is the fact that's virtually unenforcable.  How much time, energy, and resources were wasted in the drafting, debating, and passing of an entirely useless piece of legislation?  What a waste!
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« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2010, 03:48:56 AM »
You know, another bad thing about the MA law, aside from being an attack on our rights, is the fact that's virtually unenforcable.  How much time, energy, and resources were wasted in the drafting, debating, and passing of an entirely useless piece of legislation?  What a waste!
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It seems like the point of this law isn't to have police do house to house searches for unlocked firearms. In my opinion, what this legislation accomplishes is the ability to bring criminal charges upon homeowners who defend themselves against criminals that break into their homes. This also would lead to civil suits by the criminal "victims" who are wounded by the homeowner, or the "victims" family for wrongful death and negligence.

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« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2010, 04:45:48 AM »
I guess if they have to shoot a criminal in their homes they will just have to say it "was" locked...(cocked and locked)