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Welfare For Farmers
« on: March 02, 2010, 10:19:45 AM »
The radio shills all wail and whine about people on welfare.  They never say anything about farmers on welfare.  Would you believe that one company in Stuttgart, AR received $554 million dollars in farm welfare while another Stuttgart company received $314 million dollars in farm welfare.  Find the farm welfare prince in your county:


http://farm.ewg.org/farm/region.php?fips=00000

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Re: Welfare For Farmers
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2010, 10:59:11 AM »
You're right - it's huge.
• $177.6 billion in subsidies 1995-2006.
• 67 percent of all farmers and ranchers do not collect government subsidy payments in United States, according to USDA.
• Among subsidy recipients, ten percent collected 74 percent of all subsidies amounting to $130.6 billion over 12 years.
• Recipients in the top 10% averaged $36,290 in annual payments between 1995 and 2006. The bottom 80 percent of the recipients saw only $731 on average per year.
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Re: Welfare For Farmers
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2010, 11:41:06 AM »
alsaqr, there is just no hope for you. You are a true blue bleeding heart liberal. You would love to take farm subsidies from a hard working farmer and give it to some slut pumping out kids for a welfare check!
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2010, 12:10:09 PM »
Yep, BeerBelly is a true patriot.  Yep, BeerBelly called all the females who serve bravely in the US military sluts.   

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Re: Welfare For Farmers
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2010, 12:22:44 PM »
Is it the hard working farmer getting the subsidies? Or is it the the large agriculture conglomerates?

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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2010, 12:35:56 PM »
Likely both. But without those farmers you would get bad hungry.
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Re: Welfare For Farmers
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2010, 12:54:16 PM »
Is it the hard working farmer getting the subsidies? Or is it the the large agriculture conglomerates?

Consider the stats, 80% only got $731 last year. Not hard to guess it was the hard working independents and family businesses. And I think EIC pays more than that to be fair. The term "welfare" seems difficult to apply to someone who gets up earlier than most of us here and does in fact work all day.

10% collected $130.6 billion over 12 years, so 11 billion a year. Not hard to guess that was to the large conglomerates.
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2010, 01:14:07 PM »
Actually I would rather take the subsidy money from the 33% of farmers who are getting them & give it back to the people that paid for the subsidies, radical stuff I guess.
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2010, 01:31:11 PM »
I'm not sure about the subsidy thing but I know I dont think farmers should be paid not to grow crops.
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Re: Welfare For Farmers
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2010, 01:45:04 PM »
Actually I would rather take the subsidy money from the 33% of farmers who are getting them & give it back to the people that paid for the subsidies, radical stuff I guess.

Yeah, I'd like to know where it all started. I think it was a bailout. Perhaps that means we'll have a Dept of Automobiles coming online in the next year or so.
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2010, 01:54:30 PM »
I found this list quite interesting.  I hadn't seen in it in many years. A potato growing family from my area is on the list.  They own a few thousand acres of prime farm land and grow potatoes.  They are one of the wealthiest people in the region.  The received $2 million.

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Re: Welfare For Farmers
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2010, 02:00:35 PM »
Old saying my mother taught me, "don't bitch about the farmer with your mouth full"

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Re: Welfare For Farmers
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2010, 02:08:53 PM »
The farmers wife as well as the farmer rides in a SUV that is deductable as well as all the fuel that is burned. Expiditions etc are mini vans for farmer soccer moms. most of thier personal home repair/remodleing ends up as tax deductions also. Bunches of stuff you wouldn't believe get deducted. eddie
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Re: Welfare For Farmers
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2010, 02:14:24 PM »
Actually I would rather take the subsidy money from the 33% of farmers who are getting them & give it back to the people that paid for the subsidies, radical stuff I guess.

Yeah, I'd like to know where it all started. I think it was a bailout. Perhaps that means we'll have a Dept of Automobiles coming online in the next year or so.

Actually TN, it is about controlling CROP PRODUCTION, and commodities prices. The farmer is a BOUGHT OUT PAWN, or prostitute if you will. They perform and are WELL COMPENSATED. BY US! Of course if you say that to some on this site, they are oblivious to PUBLIC RECORDS. Present company excluded. Some actually WANT the truth.
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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2010, 02:16:00 PM »
  Well, Obama is giving all BLACK farmers $50,000 just for being black......NO whites allowed.  It totals 1.25 BILLION!!  How do you like those apples???

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Re: Welfare For Farmers
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2010, 02:26:38 PM »
  Well, Obama is giving all BLACK farmers $50,000 just for being black......NO whites allowed.  It totals 1.25 BILLION!!  How do you like those apples???

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-05-06-obama-farmers_N.htm

A subsidy is a subsidy Drilling Man. I don't care if the farmer is peppermint stripped. I got used to AFFIRMATIVE ACTION long ago, under WHITE PRESIDENTS.
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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2010, 02:35:45 PM »
  Anyone can apply for a subsidy, BUT that one is for blacks only!  I won't be getting use to that in my life time!

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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2010, 02:37:56 PM »
"Farmers just sit around and get paid"  :'( Here's a comment that will get me on a terrorist watch list: Lets go blow up the damn Chicago Board of Trade, get rid of the speculators and let the free market decide the price of commodities!

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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2010, 03:06:43 PM »
My neighbors are farmers. They are up before daylight and work til at least dark, many times later just to feed some of your whiny butts. Plain some of you have never worked on a farm. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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Re: Welfare For Farmers
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2010, 03:59:20 PM »
  Anyone can apply for a subsidy, BUT that one is for blacks only!  I won't be getting use to that in my life time!

Oh I didn't say it was right Drilling Man, or that I liked it. Notice I mentioned Affirmative Action. It's been going on a long time. Might want to check and see if it just started, or has been going on a while, and just brought out into the open because of Obama. Could be interesting.
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Re: Welfare For Farmers
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2010, 04:00:07 PM »
I've worked a few days on a couple different farms/ranches. Not saying its not hard work; those were some long days for me. But a subsidy is still a subsidy, no matter how you slice it. It is different than welfare, or should be, as work is still occurring. But we're way past being able to afford either anymore.

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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2010, 04:07:41 PM »
My neighbors are farmers. They are up before daylight and work til at least dark, many times later just to feed some of your whiny butts. Plain some of you have never worked on a farm. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(

Well powderpuff, my great grandfathers, my grandfathers, and my father were all farmers, and I started life on the farm, so I have been around farming all my life. My brother in law is a farmer, and yes, he gets the subsidies too.
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Re: Welfare For Farmers
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2010, 04:09:04 PM »
I hold True Farmers in high esteem, due to the fact that I do think they feed the country, and the world for that matter, or did. But like TN said we cannot afford the subsidies any longer for anyone, or any business. We still seem to subsidize big business(auto makers), Bankers, and such. Farmers should be given every advantage and break. I just think paying them to NOT raise a crop is fallacy!
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Re: Welfare For Farmers
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2010, 04:10:02 PM »
I've worked a few days on a couple different farms/ranches. Not saying its not hard work; those were some long days for me. But a subsidy is still a subsidy, no matter how you slice it. It is different than welfare, or should be, as work is still occurring. But we're way past being able to afford either anymore.

The reason why freemarket is not correcting itself is were not 1) leaving it alone, or 2) willing to accept a change in our standard of living.

Absolutely correct TN. A free market is a PASS OR FAIL business environment. Not a PROP UP SOME, AND LET OTHERS FAIL. That's not FREE MARKET, it's SOCIALISM.
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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2010, 04:40:39 PM »
dee, you can call farm subsidies welfare if you like. but it just shows how little you know about farming, world markets, and the economy. you likened farming to trucking. that's fine. when the cost of trucking goes up so do fees. but with farming your costs go up but you have no control over the price of your product. do you know why? because every country that isn't still farming with goat power [probably you kind of farming] pays subsidies. all of europe, north america, japan, australia, most any place that is an exporter in fact. so this means that here the price may or may not cover costs but you will be undersold without price controls/import taxes. why do all those countries pay subsidies? mostly they remember when people were hungry, like france after ww2. so they are trying to ensure their food supply. cause that's their first step for national defence and stability. maybe you heard of a little thing called the depression. a secure food supply is worth every penny it costs any nation that wants to preserve a decent way of life for it's citizens. anything above 3rd world status will cost. and there are ery few people aware what the true cost of food is, and even fewer people willing to pay for it. and until 75% of the people in a developed nation decide they want to grow their own groceries they better be glad for subsidies. now go back to your couch
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« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2010, 04:52:35 PM »
small not very well circulated article a few years back reported that 96% of the "farm subsidies" checks went to corporations with new york city addresses These do not help he family farmer but the giant companies who benefit the politicians.
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« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2010, 05:02:09 PM »
Many of my family members were or are farmers. My uncle farmed 1600 acres of dry land wheat. He lived modestly. I never saw him drive anything fancier than a Chevy Impala. He was a humble honest man. Never a finer man walked than him. If he partook of any subsidies you couldn't prove it by the way he lived his life. However his son, my cousin, dated a local farmers daughter and that guy was loaded. His own twin engined beechcraft and 2 of his own airstrips. His home was featured in better homes and gardens. Was quite the home. I do remember seeing old newsreel film from the 30's when FDR started the whole ag subsidies. They poured good milk down the drain, dumped pig carcasses in a huge pits and payed farmers not to grow crops all while people were really starving all over the country. Unlike today when people are starving when the don't get to eat supersized at Micky D's whenever they want. If things continue there will be real starving going on soon. God help us all. Steve

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Re: Welfare For Farmers
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2010, 05:04:03 PM »
small not very well circulated article a few years back reported that 96% of the "farm subsidies" checks went to corporations with new york city addresses These do not help he family farmer but the giant companies who benefit the politicians.


Yep, and who prolly control prices!
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« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2010, 05:08:28 PM »
any subsidy checks going to ny city corps. are most likely commodity traders abusing the system. this would be a possible ? 96% of one aspect of subsidization in the ag industry. would have nothing to do with irrigation rights, financing incentives, transportation stabilization or the like. not any simple answers
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« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2010, 05:14:33 PM »
and most prices are controlled on the stock market. products bought and sold from all around the world. based on supply and demand as determined there. cargill was always a major player in futures trading
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