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Offline dave29

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.458 Socom
« on: February 25, 2010, 12:43:10 PM »
Have there ever been any rumors of H&R to put out a .458 Socom Handi?

Or, can any current Handi chambers be reamed for use of a .458 Socom round?

Thanks.
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Re: .458 Socom
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2010, 02:37:52 PM »
Yup, they've made one for years, it just has .45-70 GOV'T stamped on it.
Sorry, had to beat everyone else to it!
I would think the biggest hurdle would be the rebated rim, but I bet someone here has already worked that out.
That would be such a specialty round that I can't see it being made at the factory.
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Re: .458 Socom
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2010, 03:14:28 PM »
Yep, after a  little searching, I found some  old threads. Looks like it hasn't been done.

I wanted one for Indiana Deer hunting.
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Re: .458 Socom
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2010, 03:43:58 PM »
Oh, Ok, you have the case length restriction. Get a .45 LC BC Carbine and ream it to .460 S&W, lots of guy's here do it, and it is a lot easier operation.
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Re: .458 Socom
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2010, 03:52:41 PM »
The 460S&W is too long for Indy rules at 1.8".  :-\

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Re: .458 Socom
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2010, 04:26:21 PM »
I have explored the options for a .458 SOCOM Handi. There's just a few hurdles to this.

#1 As previously mentioned, the SOCOM has a rebated rim. Solution: Custom form .348 Win brass (with rim) to SOCOM. Ron Reed will do this in time. ;)

#2 There are no .458" bore Handis that have a short enough chamber to ream to the SOCOM. Solution: barrel stub $ = custom TC barrel only. Ron Reed can make the TC barrels, too. ;)

#3 Custom dies aren't cheap. App. cost is at least $72.

My conclusion was to have a custom TC barrel made and buy 50-100 custom loaded rounds and save the brass for future loadings, but I don't have the $$ to do this anymore.

These options may still be cheaper than purchasing a new Rock River .458 SOCOM LAR, not quite sure though.

Someone mentioned the option of using a rechambered 45LC to .460 S&W. As Tim mentioned the length is still too great, but someone could do a short re-chamber and then you could trim your brass to 1.625".  I have nicknamed this cartridge the .460 Dinny Special.  ;) On that note, I still haven't reamed my own .45LC Handi rifle. It shoots very well right now and kills deer just fine.

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Re: .458 Socom
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2010, 04:44:31 PM »
If ya haveta have more horses, just ream to 454 Casull. ::)  The old 45 Colt still has a lot of get up and go with hot loads that are safe in the Handi. ;)  Just like the ol' 45-70, she can still kick up her heels in a strong action.  And yes, the brass is plenty strong enough if your chamber isn't grossly out of spec.  DP
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Re: .458 Socom
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2010, 04:50:53 PM »
Quote from: dpe.ahoy on February 25, 2010, 04:44:31 PM
If ya haveta have more horses, just ream to 454 Casull. ::)  The old 45 Colt still has a lot of get up and go with hot loads that are safe in the Handi. ;)  Just like the ol' 45-70, she can still kick up her heels in a strong action.  And yes, the brass is plenty strong enough if your chamber isn't grossly out of spec.  DP

Very good points, especially about brass strength. I have shot many Buffalo Bore and CorBon loads from my .45LC Handi. The brass has been reloaded several times since with no signs of wearing out from weakness.

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Re: .458 Socom
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2010, 11:35:59 PM »
You guys and "weak" brass worries. . .  ::) ::) ::)  Stay away from Balloon head 45colt brass and you will have "strong" brass!!  ;) FEDERAL 45 Colt brass is a bit thicker thru the base and web and its THE SAME as 454 Casull sans the SR primer pocket. Case strength is a issue that dates back to the balloon head cases. It stops when everyone stopped using them!!! Mostly done and over with years ago but the myth of weak cases continues.

I have loaded thousands upon thousands of hot and very hot 45 Colts in rifles and pistols with both factory and custom chambers. My one Marlins chamber has a noticeable bulge in one side and NEVER have I had any kind of a case related problem with any of them, not once. (loose primer pockets included) Yes that bad chamber does get dedicated brass, as it gets "worked" more and is suspect to issues but so far I haven't had any. I bought it when the 45Colt was first offered in the 1894Marlin.

The Socom would be cool as no one else has it, (Usually enough of a reason for me too) but with all the little $$ "issues" I say just ream a LC to Casull and don't look back!!

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Re: .458 Socom
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2010, 12:45:30 PM »
Thanks for the suggestions guys.

I do have a .45/.410 Survivor model.

Maybe I will just  ream it out to the Casul.  :) :)
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Re: .458 Socom
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2010, 12:51:15 PM »
Quote from: dave29 on February 26, 2010, 12:45:30 PM
Thanks for the suggestions guys.

I do have a .45/.410 Survivor model.

Maybe I will just  ream it out to the Casul.  :) :)

I think you will like the Casull!!



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Re: .458 Socom
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2010, 01:11:05 PM »
Quote from: dave29 on February 26, 2010, 12:45:30 PM
Thanks for the suggestions guys.

I do have a .45/.410 Survivor model.

Maybe I will just  ream it out to the Casul.  :) :)

Only if on an SB2 frame, the SB1 shotgun frame the Survivor 45/410 comes on is not strong enough for the Casull, the 45 Colt BC Carbine comes on an SB2 rifle frame, it's a good choice for the Casull rechamber.  ;)

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Re: .458 Socom
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2010, 01:40:22 PM »
CW, when you went to the 454, were there any problems with a short throat when loading the 454 brass?  I really think I need to do this with the latest little girl.  Still haven't had her out to try yet, and have to work tomorrow.  At least I'm lucky enough to be working.  DP
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Re: .458 Socom
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2010, 03:40:49 PM »
Quote from: dave29 on February 26, 2010, 12:45:30 PM
Thanks for the suggestions guys.

I do have a .45/.410 Survivor model.

Maybe I will just  ream it out to the Casul.  :) :)

also keep in mind...... the 45/410 barrel is NOT as strong as the cr-45lc barrel.

thats why i reduce-load mine when shoot'n .460 sw with trailboss.

before you try to "ream"... you need to read some of my posts on the 45/410 barrel.

you don't need to waste your money... there is no need to "ream"

but you better know what your doing when your developing handloads with this barrel.

i'm not say'n to try this... your on your own !!!!!

if you have questions... i have answers     pm me

please be smart  ;D

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Re: .458 Socom
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2010, 01:14:47 AM »
Quote from: dpe.ahoy on February 26, 2010, 01:40:22 PM
CW,
When you went to the 454, were there any problems with a short throat when loading the 454 brass?  I really think I need to do this with the latest little girl.  Still haven't had her out to try yet, and have to work tomorrow.  At least I'm lucky enough to be working.  DP
DP,
 I don't know what you mean... I reamed the 45CR to 454. The only thing I found when reaming, was that the rim cut wasn't square. It was quite bothersome as you should only ream till you get to the rim and no further. but the reamer was cutting just a bit on one side. I pulled it out, blew it off and began to measure. turns out somehow when the factory cut the rim/chamber it was somehow out of square to the chamber walls????  I let the 454 reamer re-cut it till it was square. Maybe .0001-.0001.5 @ most. It fires and shoots quite accurately.

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Re: .458 Socom
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2010, 03:52:07 AM »
Thanks guys. I had my doubts about  the SB1 frame of  the Survivor. That was actually my next  question. I may just work on some .45LC loads and see what i can come  up with.
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Re: .458 Socom
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2010, 04:44:31 AM »
Sorry CW, I wrote that in a pretty disjointed way.  What I was trying to ask was, any issues with the bullets you use kissing the lands with the chamber reamed to the longer cartridge.  Sometimes the ol' brain and fingers don't talk to each other like they otta, brain says one thing, fingers type another. :P :-[  DP
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