Any of you 45-70 handloaders...

[jason045]

Tried out the Barnes 300 gr Tipped TSX boattail bullet?  It was developed for the .458 socom but seems like a perfect fit in a deep throated handi where oal and shape is not an issue.  Seem to pretty difficult find, but after much searching I finally found a box.  Really anxious to work some loads up with this one.  The tech guy at barnes shared some data with me and high end ruger no.1 loads with this baby are over 2550 fps!  By my estimation thats nearly 4400 ft-lbs of energy!  Ran it through the ballistics program and you can get a 250 yd point blank on a 6" target and still be carrying over 2000 ft-lbs.  I know, i know thats excessive.  But what can i say...im a glutton for punishment

[quickdtoo]

I've had some for a few months, but haven't shot em yet, I've shot the 300gr TSX-FB using the Barnes Ruger data w/H4198 in my SS Ultra Hunter, figured I'd use the same data for the TTSX.

Tim

http://www.barnesbullets.com/images/45-70RugerNo1Web.pdf

[dpe.ahoy]

Those tipped ones look like some of the rockets we got in the underground silos we got up here.   DP

[quickdtoo]

 

[jason045]

yeah, he told me to use tsx data and sent me a pdf file of some loads...must have been from the manual cause it showed several more than their site has listed.  The hottest load was with H4198

[AtlLaw]

Hummmmm,    Looks like a passable "Plains Game" bullet for the 45-120!   

[Daman]

Atlaw

Have you done any long range testing with the 45-120? I know you are all about that cartridge, so I am curious as to range and ballistics.

Daman

[quickdtoo]

That's zactly what I wuz thinkin last night Richard, ran the numbers in QL, how bout 2800fps in the BC at 43kpsi!!

Tim

Trajectory for Custom .458 Barnes TTSX 300gr at 2800 Feet per Second
At an Elevation Angle of: 0 degrees
Ballistic Coefficients of: 0.236   0.236   0.236   0.236   0.236
Velocity Boundaries (Feet per Second) of: 2800   2800   2800   2800
Wind Direction is: 0.0 o'clock and a Wind Velocity of: 0.0 Miles per hour
Wind Components are (Miles per Hour): DownRange: 0.0   Cross Range: 0.0   Vertical: 0.0
Altitude: 0 Feet with a Standard Atmospheric Model.
Temperature: 59 F
Data Printed in English Units
Range   Velocity   Energy   Momentum   Drop   Bullet Path   Wind Drift   Time of Flight
(Yards)   (Ft/Sec)   (Ft/Lbs)   (Lb-Sec)   (inches)   (inches)   (inches)   (Seconds)
0   2800.0   5221.6   3.73   0.0   -1.7   0.0   0.000000000
25   2702.7   4865.0   3.60   -0.14   0.12   0.0   0.027264068
50   2607.5   4528.3   3.47   -0.58   1.65   0.0   0.055516615
75   2514.3   4210.4   3.35   -1.34   2.85   0.0   0.084808343
100   2422.9   3909.9   3.23   -2.44   3.72   0.0   0.115195080
125   2333.5   3626.5   3.11   -3.92   4.21   0.0   0.146737432
150   2245.9   3359.4   2.99   -5.79   4.3   0.0   0.179499366
175   2160.1   3107.7   2.88   -8.09   3.96   0.0   0.213550628
200   2076.2   2871.0   2.77   -10.86   3.16   0.0   0.248966246
225   1994.2   2648.7   2.66   -14.13   1.85   0.0   0.285825660
250   1914.2   2440.5   2.55   -17.95   0.0   0.0   0.324213023
275   1836.3   2245.8   2.45   -22.36   -2.45   0.0   0.364217390
300   1760.6   2064.4   2.35   -27.42   -5.54   0.0   0.405931694
325   1687.2   1895.9   2.25   -33.18   -9.33   0.0   0.449451137
350   1616.3   1740.0   2.15   -39.7   -13.89   0.0   0.494871649
375   1548.1   1596.3   2.06   -47.05   -19.28   0.0   0.542289104
400   1482.8   1464.5   1.98   -55.31   -25.57   0.0   0.591796123

[Dances with Geoducks]

If your using a 45-90 thru 120 your using black powder, and you wont be using a buck a Barnes bullet.

If your using modern powder in a 45-90 thru 120, your using more filler than we are with a 45-70.

[quickdtoo]

If your using a 45-90 thru 120 your using black powder, and you wont be using a buck a Barnes bullet.

If your using modern powder in a 45-90 thru 120, your using more filler than we are with a 45-70.

You should do a little research before posting statements that aren't necessarily true, these 45-120 loads are ~90% load density. 

Tim

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,148995.msg1098618734.html#msg1098618734

[Dances with Geoducks]

Just going off what I hear and read in the BP forums.

I didnt buy a 45-120 for this very reason.

There are plenty of sources on having to fill 120 cases

[AtlLaw]

That's zactly what I wuz thinkin last night Richard, ran the numbers in QL, how bout 2800fps in the BC at 43kpsi!!

Ah Timmy!     I knowed you couldn't resist the idea!

Have you done any long range testing with the 45-120?

Heck, I'm a "Johnny Come Lately" with the cat-ridge!     Ask Tim, he <snicker - I love a pun!>  Da Man!

[quickdtoo]

That's zactly what I wuz thinkin last night Richard, ran the numbers in QL, how bout 2800fps in the BC at 43kpsi!!

Ah Timmy!     I knowed you couldn't resist the idea!

Have you done any long range testing with the 45-120?

Heck, I'm a "Johnny Come Lately" with the cat-ridge!     Ask Tim, he <snicker - I love a pun!>  Da Man!

I think Tyler will be checking in here, maybe he wants another "varmint" load!!! 

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,162441.msg1098728675.html#msg1098728675

Just going off what I hear and read in the BP forums.

I didnt buy a 45-120 for this very reason.

There are plenty of sources on having to fill 120 cases

These loads are all smokeless in modern firearms, Accurate's 5744 data doesn't required fillers, works excellent, loads densities are less than 50%.   

Tim

http://ammoguide.com/?catid=680

http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/PerCaliber2Guide/Rifle/ObsoleteCartridges/45%20120%20Sharps%20Straight%20page%20365.pdf

[Dances with Geoducks]

If your filling a 120 case, your using a whole bunch of powder.

Ill stick with the 45-70 case, which I still have to use filler.

[quickdtoo]

Different strokes. 

Tim

[miyata]

If your filling a 120 case, your using a whole bunch of powder.

Ill stick with the 45-70 case, which I still have to use filler.

I'm happy just to fill my .45-120 cases full to the brim (nearly) with nice fast nitro, in my case H4350 equiv.  Fillers are totally unnecessary.

[quickdtoo]

Ill stick with the 45-70 case, which I still have to use filler.

Here's a bunch of well documented low velocity data using no fillers in the 45-70 as well as many other chamberings. 

Tim

http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm

[jason045]

Does anyone know where i can find some nickel plated starline brass?  Seems all the usual suppliers are out at the moment.

[quickdtoo]

Try Starline direct or Blue Star.

Tim

http://www.starlinebrass.com/nickel.php

http://www.bluestarbrass.com/catalog/nrbrass.htm