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KIDS "THEN" & KIDS "NOW" A COMPARISON
« on: February 22, 2010, 09:16:39 AM »
My Grand Mother has been dead about 5 years now. If she were alive today, she would be 111 years old. Wow! Time flies doesn't it? That's not my point here, but lets look at her life a little, along with others in my family, including myself, and compare them to the children of today.
When my Grand Mother was ten, her mother died. That was in about 1910. She died of blood poisoning from a cut with a hoe. She left behind, my grand mother age 10, an uncle age 6, an uncle age 3, and an infant aunt aged about 7 months. My great grand father, they say stayed drunk for a while, but got up one morning and went back to work on the farm. He never remarried, and lived to be in his nineties.
But lets get to the grit here. My grand mother at age 10, became chief cook, and bottle washer to the family, and mother to all three of her siblings. She raised them, and herself.
When her siblings were up and almost grown, she at about age 20, married my grand father, and they raised three children, one being my mother.
My mother was 16, when she married my father, whom was almost 21, and I was born the month before she turned 18. Due to probably to her small size, she was able to have only me, which is most likely considered a blessing to some.
I started out life, in a two room house, with a corrugated tin roof, and no plumbing. My dad had worked the summer before with his sharecropping Cherokee father, and bought a paint horse, and we had at the beginning no car. If it rained, a car was pretty much useless anyway, as back in the early fifties the roads here didn't even have gravel.
From my grandmother, I learned how to fish, cook on an open fire, and feed babies before baby food, just by watchin her. From my father I learned how to work, and never give up, and I guess I inherited my love of the woods from my Cherokee grandfather. I'm only half, but he tried to show me his ways in the short time before his death. And I learned about Jesus Christ, from my always God fearin mother.
I tried to pass these things on to my own boys with some success, but I guess their just not interested any more. The world has a pretty good grip on them now, it seems.
I never had a toy box, and I can't remember having more than two or three cheap little toys at one time to play with. But I played, and learned, and thrived. Until about 1957, we didn't have a TV, and that was after we had moved to town.
I look at the accomplishments of my grand mother, my grand fathers, my father, and my mother, at so young an age, and then I look at today's youth, and I just shake my head.
You can teach them to fly a plane, at age 6, and set up the most complicated computer games. But you can't teach them to pay attention in school, clean up their room, or even help mow the lawn. You can't whip them, for gettin out of line, and you can't make them work, or you go to jail.
My grand mother, and grand fathers, went from a team of horses to the first maned space flight, and the moon.
My mother and father went from a two room house on a creek bank to the space shuttle.
I went from that same house to town, two businesses, and where-ever I end up.
I wonder now in my old age, where my children, and worse yet, THEIR children will end up. They care not one wit, for their family history. Much less the Country's history, and it isn't just mine. It's everywhere. This country, I believe has lost it's direction, it's moral compass, and it's sense of self examination for what is right, for what isn't. Just my thoughts on a not so appealing world anymore.
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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2010, 10:04:10 AM »
i hear your point dee.  but i think you are missing something huge here.  you are blaming the kids.  from my experience, the kids aint the problem.  kids rarely will disappoint you.  it is the parents that are falling short. 

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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2010, 10:22:58 AM »
Well things have definately changed over the years.
When I was a kid the last place I wanted to spend free time was in the house.
Kids today seldom spend time outside as a whole.
Some exceptions, but as a rule they would rather stair at thier tv.
Either some mind numbing show or a video game.
And add to that the pc and hand held options for entertainment.
Down here in Oklahoma we still have lots of kids who enjoy getting out and getting thier hands dirty.
But there's also a growing number of them that flat shy away from manual type outdoors activities.

Like myronman said lots of it isn't thier fault as parents today are from the "me" or "now" generation.
All about them and having everything right now. No wonder the country is practically bankrupt.
They use the tv and video games as babysitters. What should we expect?
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2010, 11:15:55 AM »
Well actually that was kinda my point to begin with. I mentioned that I never had many toys growin up. My parents knew that my imagination would kick in, and I would make my own. They furnished me with the skills, and I did the work. If I got outta line, they busted me. It was just that simple. Our preacher did a little research on video game players, and the average age player on x-box and stuff is 34 years old.
But hell myronman3. You can't hardly run a kid out in the heat now a days. He sits under the air conditioner playin these games, and dyin his hair green, or pink, or red or something. He ain't got a clue how to build a small fire in the woods, much less clean a squirrel. 
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2010, 12:27:32 PM »
Not only were there NO gun free zones in our schools.

We carried our rifles (in a case) to school, and shot on the rimfire team.

I had a toy box. It was a garage for my Remco Bulldog Tank



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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2010, 12:58:18 PM »
Most of my young days were spent either out in the woods learning & teaching myself the ways of nature or on the back of a horse.
Working on the family farm tending livestock and going to the livestock sales with my dad.
He was an auctioneer and a horse dealer for over 60 years.
Some say the best on the east coast.
He was crying 6 sales a week from middle PA to northern SC.
He wasn't home that much so if I wanted to see him I had to go with him.
Learned a lot about doing business the right way from him and saw what happen to the dealers that tried to do it the wrong way.

Didn't need many toys, as there was always something to do (either work or play).

Started hunting by myself when I was about 8 or 9 with an old H&R Topper 410.
Self taught, as my dad's side of the family didn't hunt much.
My mom's side were avid hunters & fishermen but I seldom got to spend much time with them.

On Sundays we would load the horses on the pickup and go ride in the rodeos.
I won many a trophy up through my late teens competing in them.
My sister was state champion for several years.

Man, how long ago has that been.
Just lets me know how old I am getting.
Kind of gets me down.

I'm out of here on this one.
Going somewhere else and talk guns to help pick me back up.
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2010, 03:23:18 AM »
But hell myronman3. You can't hardly run a kid out in the heat now a days. He sits under the air conditioner playin these games, and dyin his hair green, or pink, or red or something. He ain't got a clue how to build a small fire in the woods, much less clean a squirrel. 

you would probably like my boys then, dee.   they are all about catching fish, starting a campfire, then eating said fish cooked over that campfire.   they are very eager to go hunting, they love shooting, and many times i have to reel them in because of their eagerness (they are braver than i am).   they arent much for watching shows about it, they would rather be doing it themselves.  my biggest problem is keeping up with the both of them.   took them trout fishing last year, and you should have seen me try to get back and forth between the two of them as needed.  i was tired at the end of that one and i wasnt even fishing!

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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2010, 04:56:34 AM »
I will admit that I had it pretty easy growing up. My grandfather on my father's side died when my father was 13. My father then dropped out of school in October of his freshman year and took over operation of the farm. Even though I have a masters degree he could run rings around me in math.
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2010, 05:09:26 AM »
This country, I believe has lost it's direction, it's moral compass, and it's sense of self examination for what is right, for what isn't. Just my thoughts on a not so appealing world anymore.

I fear that you are 100% correct in this observation and I think it started when the atheist insisted we remove God from our public schools.


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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2010, 05:17:05 AM »
From 1941 thru 1945 I was on a daairy run by my grandfather.
No plumbing, a well and no electricity.
It wasn't bad we played with others, the black kids, me and another boy. We ate with each other and at 3/4 walked the RR tracks to a creek and back--bout a mile.
You would get put in jail to let kids do that today.
I always said I was born three blocks from the Court House square and was outside the city limits. That is not far from the truth.
I can see the changes in society today--I don't mean that I agree but I can see how they are different.
Deer Park was only a small town when my son grew up--bout 16,000---but we could not let him just go and play anywhere like I did when I was a boy. The city was all around us and things had to be different.
I wish I could have raised a family in a small town but there was no economy to support a family in Livingston.
Well, anywho, things have to be different now.
I drive thru bellaire and see gangs of kids out roaming the streets in the city--and I mean pre school kids and I just wonder---though I did the same when that age.
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2010, 04:07:38 PM »
I don't want to sound like a snob but I always remembered this quote (which I pasted below) from Socrates observing the younger generation of his time (over 2,000 years ago):

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.


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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2010, 04:38:59 PM »
Socrates, was probably describing exactly what he was seeing.
The Babylonian Empire, the Medo-Persian Empire, The Grecian Empire, and the Roman Empire all fell for the basic same reasons. Sex, immorality, a perverted interest in sports, and a neglect of cultural morality, along with militarily spreading themselves too thin, in an effort to convert the then, known world to be like THEMSELVES. Gosh, that sounds familiar.
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2010, 04:34:47 PM »
the older generation has always found the younger generation "lacking" through history. My dad use to tell me his dad gave him 2, 22 bullets and he was expected to come back with 2 rabbits. He told me I had it easy since I had a scope on my 22. I'm 66 years old now and I tell my son I only had a beat up 4x scope while he uses a red dot.

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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2010, 02:26:44 AM »
dee in my opinion you talking about the core that made this country a hard nut to break in time o war.
 would you believe my dad jumped a 5 ft fence with my mom in his arms ..this when she said yes..
 i doubt many will, but it happened ..he was not a bragger but i told him that what his brother told me an he just shook his head affirming it..went back to his paper.. if i told what i saw him do myself..you would just say ,,slim you manufacturing pleasant memories ..so i won t tell it ..least not today  ;Dslim
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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2010, 04:03:46 AM »
Yep there has been war, killing, greed and cycles of good times, better times, bad times and worse times as long as history has been recorded, before there was money, and probably before that .

With the tools of destruction we have now, the worst atrosities we have seen in past history will likely be made to look like childs play some time in the future.

Us "HUMANS" seem to need to change our way of doing business to beak the cycle.

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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2010, 04:05:52 AM »
Yep there has been war, killing, greed and cycles of good times, better times, bad times and worse times as long as history has been recorded, before there was money, and probably before that .

With the tools of destruction we have now, the worst atrosities we have seen in past history will likely be made to look like childs play some time in the future.

Us "HUMANS" seem to need to change our way of doing business to beak the cycle.

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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2010, 04:35:29 AM »
Children are a product of their environment, an environment created by us, the adults.  So who do you think is to blame when kids go bad?

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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2010, 04:42:55 AM »
That's my point Bigeasy. We do not expect enough out of our children today. In pioneer times, if the father came up dead, sick, or gone, the family's 6 year old son, knew how to load the front stuffer rifle, or shotgun, and shoot it ON TARGET. He knew how to hunt, kill, dress, and pack back a piece at at time, that game to help feed the family.
Now, I doubt the kid could build a camp fire, or even know where to start.
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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2010, 04:57:36 AM »
Well, look at all the folks who are real duds as humans... How do you think their kids will turn out?  And it seems to get worse every year.  More concern about making $, about Gvt. hand outs, computer games, where to get the next fix, and less and less on the basics that teach a kid how to grow up to be a decent human being.  Sounds corny, but how many Boy Scouts do you hear of robbing banks, selling heroin?  What ever happened to personal responsibility?  Can you imagine a man sitting stranded along side the road for hours because he cant change a tire?  That a kid is a terrorist if he carries a jack knife to school?  Aww, don't get me going.......... >:(

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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2010, 03:44:44 PM »
I wish I could argue with you on all points Bigeasy, but seriously. How many kids nowadays could even begin to build a small fire in the woods?
Now in town they can take a can of gas, and burn down an apartement complex.
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« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2010, 04:12:48 PM »
Its as simple as kids misbehaving in school. In my school days you behaved and did not cause trouble, if you did you got your behind handed to you at school then at home again. These days the parent wont allow their child to be disciplined and if they are the school board and Lawyers get involved. There is no taking of responsibility, parents will not hold their children's feet to the fire because their feet were not held there. They dont know how to act cause they were not taught how. Its the same way with starting fires, hunting and fishing. Parents dont take the time to teach them and they dont learn the right way.  This whole country is soft and getting softer. I'm NOT the man my Grandfather was, Because of the fact that I have slept in AC since I was 13 and had power tools to do the job. In his home you could see people walking outside through the cracks in the walls, He chopped wood to have heat, my chainsaw probably wont run now due to lack of use. and so it goes.
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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2010, 04:13:10 PM »
Its up to us. my 8y/o twin girls fish ,help me field dress &  drag my deer in from out back. Shoot their Marlin 60 pretty good.. They want to camp out in the snow with dad. They help mom with after dinner chores & help with their 2 y/0 brother. They ve helped me with splitting & stacking wood. Now sometimes its like pulling teeth to get them to work. But thats my job , to keep them going & teaching them. Yeah they play the video games & watch TV. But I could ask right now & they would take a walk in the woods with me. This spring I ll teach them to build a campfire & cook over it. Theres nothing better than that right there.
Dee I understand what your saying, I see it too. But the next generation is our responsibility. If we do it right They will be complaining about their kids in 50 years  & bragging about their parents" hopefully".

myronmann3 I know what youre talking about on the fishing. Kids will take the relaxing right outta fishing ;D
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« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2010, 04:15:27 PM »
The country is changing.  What is perceived to be important is changing.  The days of most people having the skills of their parents and grandparents - too be self sufficient, are over.  Folks better hope there is never a real breakdown of society, because most would just sit there and starve in apathy.  Its to bad kids don't have role models to teach them the basic stuff that everyone should know.  What does it say about man as a species of animal when most people would be unable to survive without someone feeding and clothing them.  In nature, that would quickly become an extinct species....

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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2010, 11:26:41 AM »
i know some very bad kids that go to school with my kids. i also know some very good ones. same as when i went to school. don't just look at the trouble makers. find the students and the outdoorsmen and the athletes who are out there. the kids who work and go to school and don't cause trouble. they will lead their generation. they are out there
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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2010, 11:39:02 AM »
While I agree with you that there are some good and some bad, that is not really the topic 351 power. We are basically talking about the Majority that cannot, or could not, or would not function in harder times. That is the actual topic. For proof, go to a mall, and count the fat kids, in adverse to the normal sized kids. When I was growing up, in the entire school, there were three over-weight kids in the entire school.
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« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2010, 05:02:03 PM »
i think most kids of today still come to be good young adults.we have been fighting atleast two wars for some years now,and we still dont need a draft.for them to enlist on there own,i feel very proud of them to give up there secure bedrooms full of electronic gagets and toys to fight for us.for them to have so much now as youngsters and give it all up and go to battel for us,they must still have the core values as the ones before them. i wish i knew what the numbers where of young enlisters in the past and now.

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« Reply #27 on: February 28, 2010, 07:11:45 PM »
I am from the generation (early 20's) that you all are criticizing, so let me offer a young-in's perspective. There are still some of us young folks who do try to be responsible and so on. I certainly try to be one and my closest friends are definitely what I would consider "good." Not perfect, we still make dumb mistakes and act like stupid kids now and then, but overall pretty good.

I find it interesting that Boy Scouts were mentioned. I am an Eagle Scout, and most of my closest friends are from scouts. They seem to be more responsible and grown up than average. I don't know for sure if scouting makes kids act more grown up or if the kind of kids who are more grown up to begin with are just attracted to scouting, but I suspect it is a combination of the two. After all, someone who was naturally more mature could likely fill leadership roles in a troop more easily and the leadership experience would help him mature further. Also, just getting away from parents and being responsible for camp chores seems to change the scouts' attitudes pretty quickly.

This next part is a bit round about, so bear with me. I am in college and I took a slightly different path than most of my classmates. During my first years in college, I was enrolled both at the college and at the votech school. Although I didn't get a degree at the vo-tech school, I took all of the manual machining courses required for the degree, as well as a bit of welding (didn't get to do any CNC work for a variety of reasons) and I have worked as a machinist off and on throughout college, when extra help is needed at a local shop. One thing I noticed immediately was that at college students seemed to be held less accountable (show up to class when they wanted, don't do homework, ect with little or no consequences). At the vo-tech school, it was treated more like a job. Attendance, attitude, and work ethic were heavily emphasized. I think this prepared the vo-tech students for the real world better than college. This, of course, probably varies from school to school, but it is food for thought.

I too believe that parents are responsible to a large degree. My parents are older than most of my peers' parents and I think that I benefited from that. By the time my siblings and I came along, my parents were ready to be full time, dedicated parents. I have a number of friends my age who have children. Most, but NOT all, of them aren't willing to be parents. What I mean by this is that they are still focused on themselves and going out and having fun with their friends, and they forget that it's not all about them anymore and they need to make sacrifices for their children. Please understand, I'm not criticizing young parents in general, nor am I saying that they shouldn't go out and have fun now and then. I'm criticizing the parents (young and old) who aren't willing to make the sacrifices to bring up their children properly. I just have noticed that more people my age with kids are less devoted to raising their children because they are basically still kids themselves. Not saying that it's impossible to be a good young parent, just a bit less likely. This is likely related to the fact that of all of my friends with kids, over half of them didn't plan on having kids and weren't prepared. However, they made the choice that resulted in the kids, and they need to accept the responsibility.

Also, my mom was a stay at home mom, something that isn't as common as it used to be. I never went to day care and I believe that the extra parenting that I got because of this helped me. We didn't have a computer until I was a junior in high school and we never had cable or video games. I was mad at my parents at the time, but now I'm glad that they refused, although I wish we would have got a computer sooner...it would have come in handy for school.

While I think that parents are largely responsible for how their kids turn out, there is a point where the kids need to quit blaming their parents. Once the kids are away from their parents, it is their job to grow up and be decent human beings. I realize that in some cases, the childhood can have long lasting effects and it may be more difficult for some than others, but I refuse to say, "It's their parent's fault, that's just the way it is, nothing can be done."

One other thing I would like to say, is that I have worked with people decades older than myself, who acted like dumb kids. Matter of fact, I've had to supervise them on occasion, because the boss trusted me more. These people were the exception, rather than the rule, but I just wanted to remind everyone that us young folks don't have a corner on stupidity.

I recently talked to my dad (who is in his 60's) about this and he said that he hasn't noticed a huge change over the years, so I don't know if this is exactly a new phenomenon, but I do think that in general, regardless of age, many of us, myself included, have had it pretty good overall for a long time. I am thankful for that, but at the same time, I think we would have to toughen up to survive more difficult circumstances.

Thanks for listening to my rambling.

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Re: KIDS "THEN" & KIDS "NOW" A COMPARISON
« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2010, 12:51:31 AM »
wanderer, it would seem to me, that like the older folks you had to supervise, you also are the exception to the rule TODAY. It is honorable that you are the way you say you are, but at the same time, in your description of most of your college acquaintances we are not that far off the mark. They are adrift. I too was a Boy Scout, and I think that most that stay in the Scouts are at heart always Scouts, but think about it. Are the Scouts the majority, or the minority?
I believe in reality, you agree with me.

ken-wv, I have two son's that are veterans. The youngest was a Sgt. in the 82nd Airborne, with a combat tour in Afghanistan, and two combat tours in Iraq. Both he and his older brother were raised to be independent thinkers. He is, while his older brother still struggles at 38. The military enlisted in this country are a minority minority of the young folks, and thank God for that minority of young folks.

But keep in mind, that we are talking about the ability to entertain ones self OUTSIDE, and to MAKE DO with being able to function without technology, to be able to do menial tasks such as check your own oil, and change your own tire. Start a camp fire, kill an animal, and feed yourself with the stores are closed. I know lots of kids in my church that are "good kids", but they don't know how to do anything. The are "good kids" but because of their parents, and the school system, they have not a clue whom our founding fathers REALLY ARE.
Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times.

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Re: KIDS "THEN" & KIDS "NOW" A COMPARISON
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2010, 11:53:04 AM »
shoot dee, i would bet over half the people in the armed forces couldnt start a fire in a wet forest with things they carry on their person, or kill and eat a wild animal.  you should have seen the faces on the guys in my unit when i would catch and kill critters for supper.