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Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« on: February 16, 2010, 08:18:02 AM »
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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2010, 08:33:31 AM »
Well, despite me overall not liking his policies, I can honestly say this was a good decision and one that was long overdue.  Lets just see if this ends up being a nice change in policy and not just a single signoff to shut some people up.

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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2010, 08:39:17 AM »
I have to say that it was a good idea too. But I want to see some "do" before I believe the "talk".

With the way the wind is blowing politically, it's very possible that Obama could turn out to be a good president after all. He just needs more pressure from the right. Tip O'Neill was one of the best things that could have happened to Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich was certainly the best thing to happen to Bill Clinton.
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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2010, 09:00:27 AM »
Wake up gents, He also shut down the waste dump that is the only place to put nuclear waste. Not to mention the fact that it will be virtually impossible to bring them on line with the restrictions that are in place now. It will be in his fith term of office that they even get completed!

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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2010, 09:03:51 AM »
You mean a politician hoping for a 2nd term signed off on a project that appeals to his detractors, knowing full well that the chances of that project ever seeing the light of day is nigh impossible?  :o
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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2010, 09:30:01 AM »
buncha damned cynics here, thinking themselves smart.

Good on President Obama.
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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2010, 10:00:31 AM »
The waste issue is a political hot potato, so how he negitiates that will tell all. By the way, the Prairie Island nuclear power plant in Minnesota stores its radioactive waste on islands in the Mississippi River. The big floods from a few years back threatend to wash the waste down river. The condition of the storage casks has been reported to be somewhat weakened.

I was amazed to learn that they picked a place like that, which is susceptible to relatively common geological events, to store the stuff.

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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2010, 10:18:04 AM »
I was amazed to learn that they picked a place like that, which is susceptible to relatively common geological events, to store the stuff.
Maybe somebody wanted a storage failure. qui bono?
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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2010, 10:22:13 AM »
Wake up gents, He also shut down the waste dump that is the only place to put nuclear waste. Not to mention the fact that it will be virtually impossible to bring them on line with the restrictions that are in place now. It will be in his fith term of office that they even get completed!

Seems there are some that are still buying hope and change!  ::)  ???
Where does the waste from existing nuke plants go?

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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2010, 10:30:08 AM »
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WASHINGTON — President Obama told an enthusiastic audience of union officials on Tuesday that the Energy Department had approved a loan guarantee intended to underwrite construction of two nuclear reactors in Georgia, with taxpayers picking up much of the financial risk.

They quote the amount of the loan guarantee as 8.3 Billion (with a B). I know everyone wants to hope and believe that this is good for us, and you can call me a cynic if you like. But here's the real deal ... the union backed President told an audience of union officials that we the people are going to back a loan to create unionized jobs. The project will actually take longer than Obama's second term, assuming his reelection, due to government requirements [fact] and assuming it actually gets completed. So for Obama it accomplishes a few things: 1) it reaffirms his support of the union, 2) allows him to claim revolutionary support for nuke power, 3) allows him to claim jobs creation. If it fails to pass all the regulatory requirements, he can blame big government and call for reform to the process which is part of his agenda. In the ensuing debate he can claim his detractors are involved in business as usual. If it winds up costing more then he can request the additional funds as more stimulus, and call for reform (go back to sentence above). But he will not be President when and if the plants open, and therefore has no vested interest in its success.

The bottom line is, no power ever has to be produced from this for him to accomplish his goals. A few thousand folks may get jobs for a while, and the union pension plan gets an infusion of funds, and there'll be some good political opportunities for those standing nearby. It is not cynical to recognize that all politicians are driven by the same motivations.

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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2010, 10:36:57 AM »
Hoover Dam took 14 years (1922-1936) If it is impossible to build a nuke plant within 1 term, how did the other ones get built. Or is that why no Prez has bothered for almost 30 years? Regulations can change. Easy, we vote in people who will change them. It ain't like we don't have enough time to get that done. And if we don't vote them in, where do you lay the blame? This is a BIG step in the right direction.

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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2010, 11:34:30 AM »
New nuclear power plants are a great idea until he staffs them with his Muslim brothers.
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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2010, 12:12:15 PM »
Just looking at what Obama already has done, signing bogus legislation chuck full of corruption, not following through on even one of his promises, back room deals, straying from the constitution,  I find it really hard to trust anything he signs at all...some could call it cynical sure, but I can logically call it good sense to not trust him yet due to what has already taken place. No more than I would trust any man that has already lied to me, and I do not think the office a man holds should make a difference on how I feel about men that lie and cheat.  What he signs means nothing to me until I read it, fine print and all, and it still means nothing if I do not trust the person who signs it.  People say this is mean or cynical, but those people do not live by a code, President Obama can have those people for his followers, I have no use for those people either. I'm not mean. There is nothing wrong with how I feel. 

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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2010, 12:17:41 PM »
Wake up gents, He also shut down the waste dump that is the only place to put nuclear waste. Not to mention the fact that it will be virtually impossible to bring them on line with the restrictions that are in place now. It will be in his fith term of office that they even get completed!

Seems there are some that are still buying hope and change!  ::)  ???
Where does the waste from existing nuke plants go?
 

Look up yucca mountain, all you nuke proponents. I think nukes would be nice but obama is lieing, he knows they wont happen its an obama scam!!!!!!!
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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2010, 12:20:15 PM »
buncha damned cynics here, thinking themselves smart.

Good on President Obama.

You do your home work and then call me a cynic!

Fantasy land that's where obama is going with this and all you that voted for him are there already!
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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2010, 12:24:54 PM »
I don't think many here voted for President Obama.

I didn't.
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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2010, 12:59:49 PM »
New nuclear power plants are a great idea until he staffs them with his Muslim brothers.
Well, that is true. Not. Most US nuke workers come from the same place. US Navy subs.

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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2010, 01:01:02 PM »
Wake up gents, He also shut down the waste dump that is the only place to put nuclear waste. Not to mention the fact that it will be virtually impossible to bring them on line with the restrictions that are in place now. It will be in his fith term of office that they even get completed!

Seems there are some that are still buying hope and change!  ::)  ???
Where does the waste from existing nuke plants go?
 

Look up yucca mountain, all you nuke proponents. I think nukes would be nice but obama is lieing, he knows they wont happen its an obama scam!!!!!!!
Yucca Mountain was a money pit for 30+ years. No nuke waste stored there yet. Wonder why 5 or 6 Presidents could not get it done? One of Obama's possible alternative is even more ridiculous, which is offshoring storage. A plan guaranteed to release nuke waste into the world. I would like to see the states made responsible for figuring out what to do with the waste. If that involving contracting with another state, so be it. New industry.

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Barack Obama explains Yucca Mountain stance
To the editor:

In response to Erin Neff's Tuesday column, "Obama and Yucca":

  
I want every Nevadan to know that I have always opposed using Yucca Mountain as a nuclear waste repository, and I want to explain the many reasons why I've held that view.

In my state of Illinois, we have faced our own issues of nuclear waste management. There are some who believe that Illinois should serve as a repository for nuclear waste from other states. My view on this subject was made clear in a 2006 letter to Sen. Pete Domenici, who at the time was chairman of the Senate Energy Committee. "States should not be unfairly burdened with waste from other states," I wrote. "Every state should be afforded the opportunity to chart a course that addresses its own interim waste storage in a manner that makes sense for that state."

That is a position I hold to this day when it comes to both Illinois and Nevada.

After spending billions of dollars on the Yucca Mountain Project, there are still significant questions about whether nuclear waste can be safely stored there. I believe a better short-term solution is to store nuclear waste on-site at the reactors where it is produced, or at a designated facility in the state where it is produced, until we find a safe, long-term disposal solution that is based on sound science.

In the meantime, I believe all spending on Yucca Mountain should be redirected to other uses, such as improving the safety and security of spent fuel at plant sites around the country and exploring other long-term disposal options.

There is no doubt that this is a difficult issue. But I believe our approach must be based on sound science above all else. I do not do the bidding of any special interest or industry, including the nuclear industry, which has a major presence in my state.

In my own campaign, I have not accepted donations from political action committees or Washington lobbyists. In fact, I've often taken positions at odds with special interests. When I learned that radioactive tritium had leaked out of an Exelon nuclear plant in Illinois, I led an effort in the Senate to require utilities to notify the public of any unplanned release of radioactive substances.

All Nevadans should know that as president, I will bring to this issue not just independent judgment and careful deliberation, but a personal appreciation that comes from my own experience of living in the back yard of hazardous nuclear materials. The safety and security of Nevadans and all Americans requires nothing less.

Barack Obama

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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2010, 01:01:14 PM »
I would say this is the first smart thing Obama has ever done.
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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2010, 01:05:29 PM »
Obama's proposed 2011 budget is loaded with 54 $BILLION of additional spending on more new reactors. No doubt this will get cut into 54 Billion pieces and reassembled 54 Billion times before it is approved.

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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2010, 01:21:52 PM »
I would say this is the first smart thing Obama has ever done.

What has he done? What did he sign?  Has anyone read what's in the legislation?  That's a lot of trust considering what he signed already. 
If Obama was a salesman at a car lot could he sell you a car knowing what you know already?

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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2010, 01:34:15 PM »
And where is that birth certificate....lol

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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2010, 01:43:13 PM »
Even Republicans are drinking the koolaid.

Leading congressional Republicans -- including both Georgia senators -- were quick to praise Obama's decision.

"This announcement represents a step in the right direction," said Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Georgia. "The power generated by [the Burke County facility] is safe, reliable, emissions-free and environmentally responsible."


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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2010, 02:59:06 PM »
Let's be specific ... the DOE is extending credit to developers for two nuke plants in Georgia, at a tune of $8+ Billion of taxpayers money. Obama didn't sign an executive order; he didn't push through sweeping legislation. He didn't take a stand on nuke power then implemented action.

He was presented with a pre-existing request for development backing through the Sec of Energy, and he gave the go ahead. Seriously, he is so insulated from failure in this scenario that its very difficult for me to give him any credit. If it really melts down (pun intended) he can fire his Sec of Energy, which I'd bet my shorts was specifically stated in closed door session. Anyone know how Georgia looks in future elections? Any key positions up for decision in the short term?

My dad was county supervisor for Cochise County, AZ ... 10,000+ sq miles ... back in the day. A company came in with a plan to convert trash into fuel pellets, and convert those into power. Would've put in two plants, created thousands of jobs along I-10, generated alot of power, and eliminated the need for landfills. Would've increased interstate commerce as other states would send their trash to be converted, for a fee. Brilliant idea, win all around, and lots of revenue for the county and state. Killed, of course, because no one wanted trash brought in, or two new plants on the skyline, or potential for pollutants in the airstream to LA valley. Same folks that killed the mining and smelting operations in the county. I suspect somebody somewhere wasn't getting a cut.
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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2010, 03:10:35 PM »
As long as we get the power plants I don't care who gets the credit.  I'll still vote Republican in every election until I'm dead.
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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2010, 03:31:00 PM »
It's just another Obama scam to raid the tax payers money for Union jobs. The banks will rush to fund the project becasue even if the power plant never comes on line, the banks will get thier money back, care of the US tax payers. Unions workers will get a job and they will vote for obama.

No nuke power plant will come on line under obama's first or second term, nor any time as long as he and his ilk play a role.
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« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2010, 03:43:31 PM »
It's just another Obama scam to raid the tax payers money for Union jobs. The banks will rush to fund the project becasue even if the power plant never comes on line, the banks will get thier money back, care of the US tax payers. Unions workers will get a job and they will vote for obama.

No nuke power plant will come on line under obama's first or second term, nor any time as long as he and his ilk play a role.
No nuke power plant will ever come on line unless you build it first.

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« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2010, 03:58:20 PM »
It's just another Obama scam to raid the tax payers money for Union jobs. The banks will rush to fund the project becasue even if the power plant never comes on line, the banks will get thier money back, care of the US tax payers. Unions workers will get a job and they will vote for obama.

No nuke power plant will come on line under obama's first or second term, nor any time as long as he and his ilk play a role.
No nuke power plant will ever come on line unless you build it first.

No nuke plant nor any plant, nor anything should ever be built in the private sector that is backed by tax payer money. Our federal government is not a bank and the tax payers are not the final payers for failed financial deals. Having politicians decide what deals get backed by tax payer money can only lead to a politiclaly motivated application of what deals they back or don't back. Its corrupt on its face.

I have no problem with nuke plants and wish we had more, lot's more. The reason why we have so few is due to immpossible government regulation and its associated business risks. If the regulations were realistic, the private sector could fund these deals without fear of the plant not coming on line. Today, the regualtion is so immpossible, we need the US president to broker the deal and back the private sector funding with guarantees that if the plant never comes on line, the investors/banks will be kept whole. Rediculous.
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Re: Obama signed off on a nuke reactor
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2010, 04:49:13 PM »
Maybe I am naive, but isn't nuclear material so uniquely important (valuable, dangerous, globally regulated, etc), that government involvement is a given? Hence the red tape.

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« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2010, 06:21:45 PM »
Maybe I am naive, but isn't nuclear material so uniquely important (valuable, dangerous, globally regulated, etc), that government involvement is a given? Hence the red tape.

The last nuke plant to come on line was 14 years ago! We only generate about 20% of our domestic electricity from the 104 nuke power plants in this country. For a country like ours that is currently engaging in the largest transfer of wealth in the histroy of mankind (USA to the Arab nations for oil), this is pathetic.

I would expect government red tape for such a serious project. But we are past red tape now. The government is simply standing in the way as it usually does in just about everything. Government regulation should be designed to encourage private investment not discourage it to the point that the only way to build one, is the government has to act as a financial back stop.

So they come in and break the process with over regulation then step in and provide the under pinnings that put the tax payers on the hook!
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